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Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:21 pm

Ciao to all.
Ryanair in Europe and Southwest in USA, two giants of civil aviation world.
Ryanair has 450 B737-800WL in fleet, Southwest 750 airplanes among B737-700WL and B737-800WL and both are low cost airlines. Maybe it is better to call them ultra-low cost airlines because their organization is "slim", essential, without redundancy and they try to gain money with everything, from the baggages excess inches to inflight lottery.
Ryanair even planned to ask 1 euro for the toilette and to organize some standing seats for shorter routes.
In Europe Ryanair is the most important airline, competing with the major airlines/flag carriers in all domestic, international and continental routes. Nobody can compete with Ryanair when, for example, a Rome FCO - London STN flight can be booked at 15 euro; definitely in 2 hours flight a passenger doesn't need of many things, just a cup of water if necessary. The real Ryanair competitor could be the train, in those countries where high speed trains connect the most important cities.
Since some years ago Ryanair greatest problem was the landing at unknown airports, very far from the most important/capital cities: then a bus trip was needed, more money to spend and more hours to arrive at destination.
Now that many airlines failed (low costs, leisure, charter) Ryanair was able to obtain slots in the most important European airports, so the connections are among main airports, a capillary connection through about all the cities of Europe, 120 million passengers, 7 billion euro revenue, 13.000 employees.

Southwest Airlines is the biggest low cost airline in the world, after PSA (1949-1988) is the second low cost airline ever, since 1973.
150 million passengers per year, 21 billion euro revenue, 60.000 employees, a giant airline for a capillary network in USA and international flights.
In USA the panorama is different from Europe: the three major airlines, Delta Air Lines, American Airlines and United Airlines, have their own regional brands: Delta Connection (218 airplanes), United Airlines Express (242 airplanes), American Eagle (417 airplanes). These regional airlines are not low cost but compete with Southwest in domestic, point-to-point connections, something not existing in Europe.

My question is: what do you think would happen if Ryanair (in Europe) and Southwest (in USA) would fail? Of course i hope this never will happen, but i am sure there would be a total chaos, especially here in Europe.
 
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Re: Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:24 pm

Ryanair’s idea to charge for the toilet & for standing room only was just basic attention seeking, they knew it wasn’t going to happen but it got their name out there time after time.
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Re: Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:30 pm

What chaos? It would be a field day for Easyjet, Wizz Air, Vueling, Norwegian, Jet2, Eurowings, Transavia, Blue Air, Volotea and the likes (1000+ aircraft in total and hundreds more on order - 269 for Wizz alone) to cherry-pick and fill the best routes in their respective areas of operation.
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Re: Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:30 pm

crazy wrote:
Southwest Airlines is the biggest low cost airline in the world, after PSA (1949-1988) is the second low cost airline ever, since 1973.
150 million passengers per year, 21 billion euro revenue, 60.000 employees, a giant airline for a capillary network in USA and international flights.
In USA the panorama is different from Europe: the three major airlines, Delta Air Lines, American Airlines and United Airlines, have their own regional brands: Delta Connection (218 airplanes), United Airlines Express (242 airplanes), American Eagle (417 airplanes). These regional airlines are not low cost but compete with Southwest in domestic, point-to-point connections, something not existing in Europe.

My question is: what do you think would happen if Ryanair (in Europe) and Southwest (in USA) would fail? Of course i hope this never will happen, but i am sure there would be a total chaos, especially here in Europe.


WN would probably continue to exist, even if it filed for bankruptcy, due to WN having a significant presence in markets such as LAS, MCO, STL, BNA, TPA, MCI, SMF, AUS, MSY, and SAT where AA, DL, UA, or AS do not have hubs.
 
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Re: Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:54 pm

If either airline were to fail, it would come after a long, slow withering away.

They both have too many assets available to sell off to fund a turnaround plan before either would be liquidated. If either airline were to lost its way and spend years flailing and failing to turn around, other airlines in the market would've have spent that time backfilling the space in the market.

If Ryanair or Southwest were to fail, they would've first shrunk to the size of Volotea or Sun Country first. It would be annoying for the people with upcoming travel but no huge loss to the market.
 
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Re: Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:58 pm

I would really like to see the OP outline the circumstances - and the probability of those circumstances to exist - where either carrier disappears. IMHO, this is a 'What happens to the earth after being struck by a ten-mile wide asteroid?' kind of inquiry. It's the province of children and drunken college students.
 
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Re: Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:46 am

crazy wrote:
My question is: what do you think would happen if Ryanair (in Europe) and Southwest (in USA) would fail?

1000+ Boeing 737 planes would need new paint. Painters would be facing overtime work. So would crew uniform tailors.

Due to various stupidity some local chaos would exist temporarily. The German government showed, when Air Berlin disappeared, what needs to be done when essential national and international infrastructure goes under. Equally clever crisis management cannot be expected all over Europe, so local chaos will likely exist for some time. In America they have good old Chapter 11. It has already been tested on practically all large airlines. In works quite well for the consumers, while it may cost company creditors significant extra losses. Depending on circumstances it may also save creditor losses in the end.
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Re: Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:07 am

In the US other carriers would grow, short term fares would balloon because of the shortage of supply to demand. Long term, probably not much, when you really look at prices anymore WN fares unless getting the intro fares are no different and many times I've found more expensive than those of other carriers are the same route. Ultimately the likes of Frontier and Spirit would be the bigger winners of a WN loss.

The other thing that would happen would be that Delta wouldn't be part of a crying fit over gates at DAL :)
 
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Re: Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:15 pm

I think in Europe the civil aviation market would have a real shock while in the USA the major's regional brands and low cost airlines like Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant and JetBlue would be able to hold up the blow.
In Europe, when Ryanair decide to serve an airport, about 1/1.5 million initial passengers are planned: something great for each airport, especially small and regional ones. So an eventual demise would it not only the passengers but also the airports and everything all around them.
 
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Re: Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:13 am

I stopped reading the OP at the suggestion that WN tries to gouge with excess bag fees.
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Re: Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:05 am

crazy wrote:
In Europe, when Ryanair decide to serve an airport, about 1/1.5 million initial passengers are planned: something great for each airport, especially small and regional ones. So an eventual demise would it not only the passengers but also the airports and everything all around them.


True, however many Ryanair airports are also served by Wizzair. They would pick up what Ryanair has left behind. Wizzair would become the new Ryanair.
 
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Re: Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:51 pm

crazy wrote:
Ciao to all.
Ryanair in Europe and Southwest in USA, two giants of civil aviation world.
Ryanair has 450 B737-800WL in fleet, Southwest 750 airplanes among B737-700WL and B737-800WL and both are low cost airlines. Maybe it is better to call them ultra-low cost airlines because their organization is "slim", essential, without redundancy and they try to gain money with everything, from the baggages excess inches to inflight lottery.

Eh, which Southwest Airlines are you talking about that does this.
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Re: Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:41 am

I kindly suggest that the OP does a bit more research on Southwest's philosophy regarding ancillary fees before posting such misleading claims.
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Re: Ryanair and Southwest: what do you think would happen if they would fail?

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:11 am

when the 737MAX being grounded permanently

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