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Non US countries with more than one major airline

Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:09 pm

What are the counties that have more than one true major carriers? (Not a low cost, etc).

Japan (JAL and ANA)
South Korea (Asiana and Korean)
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Re: Non US countries with more than one major airline

Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:25 pm

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Re: Non US countries with more than one major airline

Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:46 pm

This would be a very long list, especially given the ambiguity surrounding the term "major" and the cross-border nature of many airlines' ownership (for example, is BA even British anymore given that IAG is a Spanish company? What do we go by, an AOC? In that case, it's even worse...).

But given that WestJet isn't an LCC anymore, there's one answer right next door.
 
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Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:18 pm

United Arab Emirates (Emirates and Etihad)
 
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Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:44 pm

India - AI and 9W (until early 2019), now Vistara (not an LCC and growing)
 
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Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:00 pm

Canada: Air Canada and Westjet.
England: British Airways and Virgin Atlantic.
Russia: Aeroflot and S7.
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Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:56 pm

Taiwan: China Airlines, EVA, and potentially STARLUX.
Australia: Qantas and Virgin Australia
 
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Re: Non US countries with more than one major airline

Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:23 pm

Where would you draw the border of a major airline, what qualifies and what doesn't? And how do you define in which country an airline is located?

Like for example AirAsia has subsidiaries in several countries (Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, etc), yet together all of those subsidiaries make one airline. Do you count that all under Malaysia? In that case you could say Malaysia has two major airlines, Malaysian Airways and AirAsia. But if you only count the Malaysian division of AirAsia, is it still a major airline?

Or what about Ryanair? They have an Irish AOC, however they fly all over Europe. In total size Ryanair exceeds Aer Lingus many times, but by far most of that is based outside Ireland. So how Irish is Ryanair exactly?

One obvious example that hasn't been mentioned yet is Spain, Iberia and Air Europa. I know, Iberia will be buying Air Europa but so far it's still a separate airline.
 
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:11 pm

Brazil - Azul and Lantam
 
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:03 pm

Japan : ANA and JAL
Malaysia : MAS and Air Asia
UK : BA, Virgin, Easyjet
Norway : SAS ( part ) Norwegian
Ireland : Aer Lingus, Ryanair
Vietnam : Vietnam, Vietjet
Spain : Iberia Vueling ( IAG ) Air Europa
 
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:46 pm

Malaysia has three major airlines.

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Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:32 am

Indonesia: GA/QG (Garuda/Citilink) and JT/ID/IW (Lion/Batik/Wings Air)
Philippines: PR and 5J (Cebu Pacific) if you count LCC
Russia: Aeroflot, S7, along with a bunch of smaller carriers like Utair
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Re: Non US countries with more than one major airline

Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:32 am

Has anyone actually bothered to read the thread tile? I assume US means United Sates which is a country, therefore what is a "non US" country and more to the point what IS a US country...?
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:23 pm

TravelsUK wrote:
Has anyone actually bothered to read the thread tile? I assume US means United Sates which is a country, therefore what is a "non US" country and more to the point what IS a US country...?

also said no low cost airlines and up pops ryanair easyjet airasia etc :D
 
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:32 pm

for france i can think of
air france,
corsair
air corsica
air caribes
air austral, all fly over a million pac are they classed as major airlines ?
 
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Re: Non US countries with more than one major airline

Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:16 pm

bluefrog wrote:
also said no low cost airlines and up pops ryanair easyjet airasia etc :D


True, however some LCCs are major airlines. There are quite a few countries where an LCC is the largest airline in the country.

Take Hungary for example, after the collapse of Malev it doesn't have a major airline anymore. Or does it? Wizzair is by far the largest airline in Hungary and one of the larger airlines in Europe. Yes, it is an LCC but it's also a major airline. Any idea what the largest Hungarian airline is that isn't an LCC? I wouldn't know. In fact, I wouldn't know any Hungarian airlines besides Wizzair. They certainly ain't major airlines.

In Romania, Blue Air (LCC) is bigger than Tarom (flag carrier). Is Tarom a major airline? It might have an impressive history, but nowadays it's rather small. If anything, Blue Air would have more rights to the title of major airline than Tarom.
 
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Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:00 pm

Aren't all countries outside of the US by definition "non-US" ones?
 
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Re: Non US countries with more than one major airline

Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:03 am

DTWLAX wrote:
India - AI and 9W (until early 2019), now Vistara (not an LCC and growing)

Why isn't LCC like Indigo a "major" airline exactly? It is way bigger than AI and 9W put together - except it has all 32x fleet.
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Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:02 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
Brazil - Azul and Lantam
GOL too, much larger than Azul.
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Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:56 pm

I think if we were honest about things, we wouldn’t squabble over the Mickey Mouse airlines many people are talking about.

Air France and Air Caribes Are hardly in the same league.
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:03 am

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Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:09 pm

Spain -> Iberia, Air Europa and possibly Volotea.
Ireland -> Aer Lingus and Ryanair.
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Re: Non US countries with more than one major airline

Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:52 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
bluefrog wrote:
also said no low cost airlines and up pops ryanair easyjet airasia etc :D


True, however some LCCs are major airlines. There are quite a few countries where an LCC is the largest airline in the country.

Take Hungary for example, after the collapse of Malev it doesn't have a major airline anymore. Or does it? Wizzair is by far the largest airline in Hungary and one of the larger airlines in Europe. Yes, it is an LCC but it's also a major airline. Any idea what the largest Hungarian airline is that isn't an LCC? I wouldn't know. In fact, I wouldn't know any Hungarian airlines besides Wizzair. They certainly ain't major airlines.

In Romania, Blue Air (LCC) is bigger than Tarom (flag carrier). Is Tarom a major airline? It might have an impressive history, but nowadays it's rather small. If anything, Blue Air would have more rights to the title of major airline than Tarom.

Probably for another thread, but is easyJet really an LCC these days? I'd argue they are a closer fit to the JetBlue mold. Furthermore, their product and service is superior to BA on shorter routes. I would definitely say they were a "major" airline in the UK and Europe.
 
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Re: Non US countries with more than one major airline

Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:59 pm

PPVLC wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
Brazil - Azul and Lantam
GOL too, much larger than Azul.[/quot

Forgot about GOL!
 
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Re: Non US countries with more than one major airline

Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:15 pm

StormRider wrote:
DTWLAX wrote:
India - AI and 9W (until early 2019), now Vistara (not an LCC and growing)

Why isn't LCC like Indigo a "major" airline exactly? It is way bigger than AI and 9W put together - except it has all 32x fleet.
Now in a sort of exclusive club of airlines flying 200+ planes.

Because the OP said no LCC airlines.
I know Indigo is bigger but I was just sticking to what was asked for.

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