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Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:39 am
by Ishrion
Pretty cool article by anna aero: https://www.anna.aero/2020/01/13/usas-t ... assengers/

Includes routes that were cut in 2019 and the PDEW for each of the 50 routes.

Route - PDEW
1. RDU-SAN - 162 (Cut by Frontier in Sept. 2019)
2. BDL-LAS - 143
3. ISP-MDW - 142
4. JAX-LAX - 127
5. BOS-SAT - 126
6. CLE-SAN - 117 (Cut by Frontier in Sept. 2019)
7. BDL-PHX - 114
8. MKE-SAN - 112 (Cut by Frontier in Feb. 2019; was year-round by Southwest, then seasonal, then cut Aug. 2018)
9. PIT-SAN - 110 (Cut by Frontier in Jan. 2019)
10. LAX-ORF - 110

The following 40 are listed in the article.

Bunch of unserved routes seem to come from BDL, SAN, LAS

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:48 am
by MAH4546
They did not combine airports, though, which would change the numbers pretty dramatically for New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, Washington and San Francisco, and to a lesser extent Dallas and Houston.

Combining Miami and Fort Lauderdale to Portland, for example, makes that potentially the largest unversed market. But just imagine all the markets without service to NYC that might have traffic evenly split between LGA/EWR/JFK and don't make the cut here.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:51 am
by hz747300
Seems ripe for an AA A319 or WN738 for BDL-PHX. I've always thought that ISP is under served given the business community in Long Island, and even leisure traffic to some extent if the price is right.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:12 am
by jbpdx
MAH4546 wrote:

Combining Miami and Fort Lauderdale to Portland, for example, makes that potentially the largest unversed market.


The No. 10 and No. 19 CSAs have no nonstop between them. That is the top unserved U.S. route. The PDEW would be much bigger if people didn’t have to spend the same time to get to South Florida as it takes to get to Iceland from Portland. I remember a couple years ago when people said a nonstop between Portland and Orlando would never work.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:24 am
by Indy
Ishrion wrote:
Pretty cool article by anna aero: https://www.anna.aero/2020/01/13/usas-t ... assengers/

Includes routes that were cut in 2019 and the PDEW for each of the 50 routes.

Route - PDEW
1. RDU-SAN - 162 (Cut by Frontier in Sept. 2019)
2. BDL-LAS - 143
3. ISP-MDW - 142
4. JAX-LAX - 127
5. BOS-SAT - 126
6. CLE-SAN - 117 (Cut by Frontier in Sept. 2019)
7. BDL-PHX - 114
8. MKE-SAN - 112 (Cut by Frontier in Feb. 2019; was year-round by Southwest, then seasonal, then cut Aug. 2018)
9. PIT-SAN - 110 (Cut by Frontier in Jan. 2019)
10. LAX-ORF - 110

The following 40 are listed in the article.

Bunch of unserved routes seem to come from BDL, SAN, LAS


I just looked up the faremeasure.com numbers for IND and IND-PDX is at 169 daily passengers and there is no service. RDU-SAN is listed at 207. I'm surprised that IND-SAN is 290 daily and all IND gets is limited seasonal service.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:07 am
by MAH4546
Indy wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Pretty cool article by anna aero: https://www.anna.aero/2020/01/13/usas-t ... assengers/

Includes routes that were cut in 2019 and the PDEW for each of the 50 routes.

Route - PDEW
1. RDU-SAN - 162 (Cut by Frontier in Sept. 2019)
2. BDL-LAS - 143
3. ISP-MDW - 142
4. JAX-LAX - 127
5. BOS-SAT - 126
6. CLE-SAN - 117 (Cut by Frontier in Sept. 2019)
7. BDL-PHX - 114
8. MKE-SAN - 112 (Cut by Frontier in Feb. 2019; was year-round by Southwest, then seasonal, then cut Aug. 2018)
9. PIT-SAN - 110 (Cut by Frontier in Jan. 2019)
10. LAX-ORF - 110

The following 40 are listed in the article.

Bunch of unserved routes seem to come from BDL, SAN, LAS


I just looked up the faremeasure.com numbers for IND and IND-PDX is at 169 daily passengers and there is no service. RDU-SAN is listed at 207. I'm surprised that IND-SAN is 290 daily and all IND gets is limited seasonal service.


I don’t think Faremeasure has been updated in about ten or so years. It’s a dead website. It still has traffic figures from when AirTran existed.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:49 am
by KLMatSJC
Once the MAX comes back, I could easily see WN doing 4 of those.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:58 am
by FSDan
Ishrion wrote:
Bunch of unserved routes seem to come from BDL, SAN, LAS


And JAX and SAT.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:15 am
by a318
Ishrion wrote:
3. ISP-MDW - 142


I know that WN has dramatically cut ISP over the years (PVD, BNA, LAS, MDW, JAX, Florida frequencies, etc) but it shocks me that they cut MDW when there’s clearly a demand for that flight + endless connecting opportunities.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:37 pm
by pmanni1
Ishrion wrote:
Pretty cool article by anna aero: https://www.anna.aero/2020/01/13/usas-t ... assengers/

Includes routes that were cut in 2019 and the PDEW for each of the 50 routes.

Route - PDEW
1. RDU-SAN - 162 (Cut by Frontier in Sept. 2019)
2. BDL-LAS - 143
3. ISP-MDW - 142
4. JAX-LAX - 127
5. BOS-SAT - 126
6. CLE-SAN - 117 (Cut by Frontier in Sept. 2019)
7. BDL-PHX - 114
8. MKE-SAN - 112 (Cut by Frontier in Feb. 2019; was year-round by Southwest, then seasonal, then cut Aug. 2018)
9. PIT-SAN - 110 (Cut by Frontier in Jan. 2019)
10. LAX-ORF - 110

The following 40 are listed in the article.

Bunch of unserved routes seem to come from BDL, SAN, LAS

Most of these are long routes that would tie up an aircraft all day on a roundtrip while flying over multiple hubs.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:42 pm
by TransWorldOne
BOS-SAT seems like a no brainer for B6 or DL. I wonder how much of that traffic has leaked to AUS, which sees multiple daily flights to BOS.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:49 pm
by adamh8297
MAH4546 wrote:
Indy wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Pretty cool article by anna aero: https://www.anna.aero/2020/01/13/usas-t ... assengers/

Includes routes that were cut in 2019 and the PDEW for each of the 50 routes.

Route - PDEW
1. RDU-SAN - 162 (Cut by Frontier in Sept. 2019)
2. BDL-LAS - 143
3. ISP-MDW - 142
4. JAX-LAX - 127
5. BOS-SAT - 126
6. CLE-SAN - 117 (Cut by Frontier in Sept. 2019)
7. BDL-PHX - 114
8. MKE-SAN - 112 (Cut by Frontier in Feb. 2019; was year-round by Southwest, then seasonal, then cut Aug. 2018)
9. PIT-SAN - 110 (Cut by Frontier in Jan. 2019)
10. LAX-ORF - 110

The following 40 are listed in the article.

Bunch of unserved routes seem to come from BDL, SAN, LAS


I just looked up the faremeasure.com numbers for IND and IND-PDX is at 169 daily passengers and there is no service. RDU-SAN is listed at 207. I'm surprised that IND-SAN is 290 daily and all IND gets is limited seasonal service.


I don’t think Faremeasure has been updated in about ten or so years. It’s a dead website. It still has traffic figures from when AirTran existed.


I believe Faremeasure pulled data from DOT table 6 which would result in combining JFK/LGA/EWR, SFO/OAK, MIA/FLL, BOS/PVD/MHT, ORD/MDW, DCA/IAD/BWI etc

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:57 pm
by MIflyer12
pmanni1 wrote:
Most of these are long routes that would tie up an aircraft all day on a roundtrip while flying over multiple hubs.


Right from one of the lead paragraphs of the article:

This article doesn’t consider fares, growth rates, or beyond/behind traffic. Only local traffic. Predictably, many of these 50 are east-to-west; they’re longer distance and they overfly many hubs. This creates numerous problems in terms of viability.


That really should serve as a warning to a.netters: Be careful how you use this and interpret the data.

The idea that these are all financially viable, just waiting for Frontier or the return of MAX at Southwest, is just risible. Once-a-days aren't compelling for business traffic. There are lots of reasons we're in the era of ATL/DFW/CLT megahubs.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:16 pm
by Indy
MAH4546 wrote:
I don’t think Faremeasure has been updated in about ten or so years. It’s a dead website. It still has traffic figures from when AirTran existed.


Ah okay. Thanks. Didn't notice that.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:56 pm
by BravoEcho757
Didn't DL serve JAX-LAX at one point? I thought I remembered reading something about that years ago.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:09 pm
by RL757PVD
I bet if PVD wasn't lumped in with BOS that it would have more appearances on this list...

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:41 pm
by Galvan316
Now that Allegiant is flying out of MDW could MDW-ISP be a route they'd consider?

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:13 pm
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Interesting that four routes on that list are from SAN.

Given that SAN is not a hub to anyone, I'd venture a guess that the 162 daily between RDU and SAN are split between multiple airlines, with each set of passengers loyal to their FF miles.

If UA, for example, wanted to do a non-stop, they'd need to convince DL and AA flyers to give up their airline just for this non-stop. And, as noted above, PDEW doesn't equal yields, and it ties up a plane for a transcon.

Interesting information, though!

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:51 pm
by sprxUSA
I know 20 years go, WN flew nonstop SMF-MCI. ;)
Also, correct is HI, not HA lol.
I was surprused ar how low IAD-MDW was, thought it would be a tad higher.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:51 pm
by JAXDan
BravoEcho757 wrote:
Didn't DL serve JAX-LAX at one point? I thought I remembered reading something about that years ago.


That route lasted from late 2006 to early 2008 on a 737. Hopefully DL will bring it back on a A220, they've already announced a similar distance ATL-SEA A220 transcon.

Re: Top 50 Unserved Routes In The U.S.

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:57 pm
by JAXDan
JAX-LAS would also be high on this list F9 cut it in mid Nov.