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Cross country propeller flights

Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:19 pm

This month I will be doing a trip I’ve always wanted to do…

Flying only propeller planes from coast to coast. It will account for about 16 hours and 10 minutes total of air time, and three different airlines, and 10 different routes, over the course of three days.

I will be posting live updates to social media when they happen. Flightradar24 and AirlineGeeks picked up on what I’m doing and will be doing stories about it at some point in the future.

If you have any questions or want to know more please comment.
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:30 pm

What’s your route & Airlines?
 
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:56 pm

What country?
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:59 pm

United States. Will be flying Southern air express, Boutique Air, and Advanced Air
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:59 pm

flyboy7974 wrote:
What’s your route & Airlines?


The map is on this link.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6_CLc3BBXq ... o2zwlhbuvt
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:08 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
United States. Will be flying Southern air express, Boutique Air, and Advanced Air

I knew, but take in to account that there is a world outside the U.S. and just saying coast-to-coast or "country" isn't very clear.
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:43 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
United States. Will be flying Southern air express, Boutique Air, and Advanced Air

I have never heard of these airlines. What aircraft types do they operate? And on which one will you travel? I suppose the Embraer 120 is no longer flying in the United States?
 
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:55 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
United States. Will be flying Southern air express, Boutique Air, and Advanced Air

I have never heard of these airlines. What aircraft types do they operate? And on which one will you travel? I suppose the Embraer 120 is no longer flying in the United States?


Southern Air Express - Cessna 208 Caravan
Boutique Air - Pilatus PC12
Advanced Air - King Air 350

What do you mean “which one will I travel?”
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:04 am

I don't know anything about these airlines. I thought they might have various aircraft types in their fleets and I was wondering on which one of these you would be travelling.

I must say I expected something like the ATR-72 and the Saab 340. But the aircraft types you mentioned are a lot smaller. It sure is an interesting way to travel from coast to coast. It does sound like an expensive way, though.
 
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:45 am

MartijnNL wrote:
I don't know anything about these airlines. I thought they might have various aircraft types in their fleets and I was wondering on which one of these you would be travelling.

I must say I expected something like the ATR-72 and the Saab 340. But the aircraft types you mentioned are a lot smaller. It sure is an interesting way to travel from coast to coast. It does sound like an expensive way, though.


It would be expensive, but I’ve worked out a deal with each airline where I’m paying almost nothing in exchange for publicity. And your right it is an interesting way to travel from coast to coast, but unless your traveling to make a trip like this on purpose like this then it’s basically pointless. But either way it will still be fun and interesting to make this endeavor.
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:34 am

Interesting. From what I can see, it would be possible to do the similar distance Australian coast to coast RPT on prop aircraft. Too much nothing between Western Australia and Adelaide.
 
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:34 am

Not bad

But I’m doing the same by stagecoach next week
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:34 am

Max Q wrote:
Not bad

But I’m doing the same by stagecoach next week


By stagecoach, do you mean coach bus?
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:56 am

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Not bad

But I’m doing the same by stagecoach next week


By stagecoach, do you mean coach bus?



No,

Stagecoach as was used in the days of the ‘Wild West’ which was a small ‘covered buggy’ pulled by two horses driven by a ‘driver’ with reins and a whip


Since the poster is planning a slow trip across the US I suggested a much slower method..
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:48 am

Kent350787 wrote:
Interesting. From what I can see, it would be possible to do the similar distance Australian coast to coast RPT on prop aircraft. Too much nothing between Western Australia and Adelaide.


I think it could be done over the Northern Territory. BME-BNE perhaps is you jump around Kununurra, Darwin etc.
 
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:22 am

dredgy wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
Interesting. From what I can see, it would be possible to do the similar distance Australian coast to coast RPT on prop aircraft. Too much nothing between Western Australia and Adelaide.


I think it could be done over the Northern Territory. BME-BNE perhaps is you jump around Kununurra, Darwin etc.


I did think about that, but don't know that you can make it all the way over to BME or LEA.
 
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:29 am

Looking fwd to the TR... :bigthumbsup:
 
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:33 pm

I've flown from Southern California to North Carolina and back in a Piper PA28...
That is a long trip in a 100kt plane.
 
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:59 am

I think this is cool. In the day of big mega carriers it is great to give some publicity to the small guys. A cross country trip on commuter airlines is another idea RJ and EMB across the USA.
 
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:33 am

Sounds like a wonderful bucket list trip. Have fun!!!
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:16 pm

DesertAir wrote:
I think this is cool. In the day of big mega carriers it is great to give some publicity to the small guys. A cross country trip on commuter airlines is another idea RJ and EMB across the USA.


That is what I had in mind, giving the smaller carriers some attention. That is what my aviation photography account is about and that is what my niche is, visiting the small airports and airlines that nobody takes a second look at.

I will be posting live updates to my aviation photography account when I go on the trip.
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:22 pm

About half of the cities I’m flying into are EAS (essential air service) airports. Meaning that they are so small the government subsidies the flights there otherwise no airline would fly there.
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:10 pm

I wonder if this is possible in Canada using mostly regional carriers. We have A LOT of Q400s up here.
 
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:22 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
MartijnNL wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
United States. Will be flying Southern air express, Boutique Air, and Advanced Air

I have never heard of these airlines. What aircraft types do they operate? And on which one will you travel? I suppose the Embraer 120 is no longer flying in the United States?


Southern Air Express - Cessna 208 Caravan
Boutique Air - Pilatus PC12
Advanced Air - King Air 350

What do you mean “which one will I travel?”

I've seen Boutique and Southern at BWI. I guess Advanced is the majority of the trip?
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:32 pm

DALMD80 wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
MartijnNL wrote:
I have never heard of these airlines. What aircraft types do they operate? And on which one will you travel? I suppose the Embraer 120 is no longer flying in the United States?


Southern Air Express - Cessna 208 Caravan
Boutique Air - Pilatus PC12
Advanced Air - King Air 350

What do you mean “which one will I travel?”

I've seen Boutique and Southern at BWI. I guess Advanced is the majority of the trip?


Actually there’re not. Surprisingly enough Southern is a majority of it.
Southern - 5 flights from PBI-DFW
Boutique - 2 flights from DFW-ABQ
Advanced - 3 flights from ABQ-HHR
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:35 pm

smallmj wrote:
I wonder if this is possible in Canada using mostly regional carriers. We have A LOT of Q400s up here.

Easy peasey.

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As you guessed, all are Q400s!
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:59 pm

longhauler wrote:
smallmj wrote:
I wonder if this is possible in Canada using mostly regional carriers. We have A LOT of Q400s up here.

Easy peasey.

PD YYT-YHZ-YOW-YTZ
PD YTZ-YQT
WS YQT-YWG
WS YWG-YXE
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As you guessed, all are Q400s!


Thanks, I figured it could be done without much trouble.
 
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:37 pm

That's pretty cool. I've flown a lot of the EAS services... or tried to.

Flown Advanced Air into ABQ a few months ago on one of their beautiful King Air's, plus Boutique on their equally plush PC-12 a few years back into BWI. The one I would be wary of is Southern Air Express. I've tried to fly them three times now - one cancelled on the day, other times the flights got cancelled a reasonable way in advance. They seem to have an issue with having enough crew, plus the Caravans are hugely weather dependent.

Good luck with your trip and do report back.
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:50 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
That's pretty cool. I've flown a lot of the EAS services... or tried to.

Flown Advanced Air into ABQ a few months ago on one of their beautiful King Air's, plus Boutique on their equally plush PC-12 a few years back into BWI. The one I would be wary of is Southern Air Express. I've tried to fly them three times now - one cancelled on the day, other times the flights got cancelled a reasonable way in advance. They seem to have an issue with having enough crew, plus the Caravans are hugely weather dependent.

Good luck with your trip and do report back.


Hopefully the southern air portion goes well, They make up about half of my flights. Good to hear about the other two, I’m excited to try them all.

Are Southern’s C208’s rated for IFR flying?
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:51 pm

That I'm not sure of - I've never managed to fly on them. But considering how they cancel out flights when the weather gets remotely bad, perhaps they don't.

Fingers crossed for you!
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:13 am

PlymSpotter wrote:
That I'm not sure of - I've never managed to fly on them. But considering how they cancel out flights when the weather gets remotely bad, perhaps they don't.

Fingers crossed for you!


I have flown on Kenmore Air Express in the Seattle area, they fly Cessna 208’s as well and they aren’t shy about telling people that they’re aircraft are IFR rated so that they can fly in the Seattle weather.
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:57 pm

Even thought the trip is still two weeks away, the weather is not looking too bad for the destinations I’m flying through.
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:58 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
That I'm not sure of - I've never managed to fly on them. But considering how they cancel out flights when the weather gets remotely bad, perhaps they don't.

Fingers crossed for you!


Hopefully that doesn’t happen. Southern Air Express on their website cites that they complete 99.8% of their flights, so I don’t know why everyone thinks they always cancel.
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:24 am

My trip ended this past week, it was a great trip and I posted my first video from the adventure.

It took three days of travel so I’ll be posting them in three segments. Here is the first installment of trip videos:

https://youtu.be/-XPecMBJ7SE
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:54 pm

I live in Tampa so definitely I was tuned in for the ride from PBI-MEM. It appears you enjoyed one of our unusually windy and/or hot days that have we've enjoyed the last couple weeks. An almost barf bag ride, but you obviously are a trooper and veteran of it by now. A fun idea and adventure for sure. Very nice photography of the FL landscape and in particular MEM at night was beautiful.
Looking forward to your continuing series as you bounce across this big country.
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Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:45 am

Try doing this across Russia...
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:05 am

Back in the 1980s, I subscribed to the OAG North American Pocket Flight Guide. It arrived every month, along with that month's copy of Frequent Flyer magazine. In one of the magazine's issues, one of their writers, David Martindale, accomplished this and wrote a trip report, which became a feature article for that month. It wasn't a prop-only trip, as I remember that he flew on an Air Wisconsin BAE-146 from CAK to ORD, but it was a coast-to-coast trip on regional carriers of the day. I don't know where my copy of that mag is, perhaps one of you can look it up for our OP.

BTW, David Martindale was an awesome writer, but I remember that he passed away far before his time. RIP, friend.
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:43 pm

Second day of the cross county now on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/h5Ymls_u_0Y
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:59 pm

Thanks for the second segment of your trip.
 
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Re: Cross country propeller flights

Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:24 pm

Thanks as well for the second installment. Beautiful photography and very enjoyable just watching you fly along......
It appears to be a good load on the flight from Harrison to DFW.
Any opinion yet as to liking the Caravan versus the Pilatus? Comfort and ride about the same?

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