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blacksoviet
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Why did the Phoenix Suns charter a 737-100 from America West?

Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:25 am

Wouldn’t it have made more sense to charter a 737-200 or a 737-200ADV and take advantage of the extra two rows of economy seating and the extra 750-1000 nautical miles of range?

How much more expensive is it to charter a 737-200 compared to a 737-100?

Did the Phoenix Suns have to make multiple tech stops on these flights?

The 737-200 also has much more cargo space.

Did the Phoenix Suns have a dedicated 731 or did they use whatever 731 HP had available?

How did they decide who got to sit in First Class?

Did the players fear flying in such an old plane?
 
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Re: Why did the Phoenix Suns charter a 737-100 from America West?

Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:51 am

I've done a variety of sports flights, but never a basketball team so bear with me here, as some of this might not be accurate for this specific scenario.

Having 2 extra rows of economy wouldn't matter much, as the plane was probably configured in an all or mostly business configuration. Also eliminates the decision of who sits in the nice seats. Given the frequency of basketball team travel and the fact that one specific plane was given their livery, I'm guessing they used that one plane.

Cargo space isn't particularly relevant. You'd be amazed by what an NFL, NHL or MLB team can fit in limited space, and they're very equipment-based sports. Basketball I'd think is on the lighter side. Usually sports team members travel with one small carry on size bag for Personal stuff. Then their locker room duffel bag with various uniforms, warm ups, etc, which they wear a good portion of the time anyway, so less need for personal effects.

Range...again, can't speak for NBA, but usually the flights aren't that long for teams. The occasional east/west coast trip, but generally they aren't doing PHX-JFK-SFO-MIA, but rather a number of shorter hops through an area. NFL tends to do a lot more distance, but less frequently of course.

If the players were afraid, they got over it quick. The amount of flying professional teams do is exhausting. Playing a game, flying overnight, and playing in a different city the next night, just to leave again the following morning. Not to mention, in the minor leagues and college, most probably traveled by bus so a plane seemed luxurious.

Also if my timeline is correct, the 731 the Suns used wasn't all that old at the time.
 
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Re: Why did the Phoenix Suns charter a 737-100 from America West?

Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:23 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Wouldn’t it have made more sense to charter a 737-200 or a 737-200ADV and take advantage of the extra two rows of economy seating and the extra 750-1000 nautical miles of range?

How much more expensive is it to charter a 737-200 compared to a 737-100?

Did the Phoenix Suns have to make multiple tech stops on these flights?

The 737-200 also has much more cargo space.

Did the Phoenix Suns have a dedicated 731 or did they use whatever 731 HP had available?

How did they decide who got to sit in First Class?

Did the players fear flying in such an old plane?


1. Why would they be scared when it's a safe plane? The age has nothing to do with its safety.
2. Regarding range, the plane would be very light with an NBA team. Not many players and not much equipment. Range wouldn't be an issue.
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Re: Why did the Phoenix Suns charter a 737-100 from America West?

Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:16 pm

A quick search of "old friend" N708AW reveals these exterior photos. https://www.airliners.net/search?registrationActual=N708AW&display=detail

This aircraft was specially configured during some of the time it served with HP. One of the photo comments says 48 F seats. Certainly enough legroom for even the tallest of NBA players. Someone with an old jp Airline Fleets International could probably look up and confirm the seating config.
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Re: Why did the Phoenix Suns charter a 737-100 from America West?

Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:41 am

aeromoe wrote:
A quick search of "old friend" N708AW reveals these exterior photos. https://www.airliners.net/search?registrationActual=N708AW&display=detail

This aircraft was specially configured during some of the time it served with HP. One of the photo comments says 48 F seats. Certainly enough legroom for even the tallest of NBA players. Someone with an old jp Airline Fleets International could probably look up and confirm the seating config.

It looks like America West kept the eyebrow windows on that 737-100. One of the comments says it was scrapped in Opa Locka.

Is the 737-100 considered a regional jet or a mainline airliner?
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Re: Why did the Phoenix Suns charter a 737-100 from America West?

Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:51 am

blacksoviet wrote:
aeromoe wrote:
A quick search of "old friend" N708AW reveals these exterior photos. https://www.airliners.net/search?registrationActual=N708AW&display=detail

This aircraft was specially configured during some of the time it served with HP. One of the photo comments says 48 F seats. Certainly enough legroom for even the tallest of NBA players. Someone with an old jp Airline Fleets International could probably look up and confirm the seating config.

It looks like America West kept the eyebrow windows on that 737-100. One of the comments says it was scrapped in Opa Locka.

Is the 737-100 considered a regional jet or a mainline airliner?

Were any of them painted in the America West Express Livery?


All five 737-100s flown by HP were mainline...737s have always been considered mainline I would imagine. I would say they were in service before it became fashionable to plug the eyebrow windows. I don't have a specific timeframe when that became available...maybe others are more aware of it.
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Re: Why did the Phoenix Suns charter a 737-100 from America West?

Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:02 am

aeromoe wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
aeromoe wrote:
A quick search of "old friend" N708AW reveals these exterior photos. https://www.airliners.net/search?registrationActual=N708AW&display=detail

This aircraft was specially configured during some of the time it served with HP. One of the photo comments says 48 F seats. Certainly enough legroom for even the tallest of NBA players. Someone with an old jp Airline Fleets International could probably look up and confirm the seating config.

It looks like America West kept the eyebrow windows on that 737-100. One of the comments says it was scrapped in Opa Locka.

Is the 737-100 considered a regional jet or a mainline airliner?

Were any of them painted in the America West Express Livery?


All five 737-100s flown by HP were mainline...737s have always been considered mainline I would imagine. I would say they were in service before it became fashionable to plug the eyebrow windows. I don't have a specific timeframe when that became available...maybe others are more aware of it.

Are 731 pilots allowed to fly the 73G?
 
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Re: Why did the Phoenix Suns charter a 737-100 from America West?

Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:57 am

blacksoviet wrote:
aeromoe wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
It looks like America West kept the eyebrow windows on that 737-100. One of the comments says it was scrapped in Opa Locka.

Is the 737-100 considered a regional jet or a mainline airliner?

Were any of them painted in the America West Express Livery?


All five 737-100s flown by HP were mainline...737s have always been considered mainline I would imagine. I would say they were in service before it became fashionable to plug the eyebrow windows. I don't have a specific timeframe when that became available...maybe others are more aware of it.

Are 731 pilots allowed to fly the 73G?


No idea...not a professional in the aviation industry.
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