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Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:01 am
by chongyilam128
I calculated the distance on Google Maps, and the whole distance was suitable for an Airbus A321XLR. Does the plan work?

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:29 pm
by Aceskywalker
AS has no orders for A321XLR. And them setting up Trans-Pacific flights would be a great way to light money on fire.

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:41 pm
by xiaotung
No foreign airlines are allowed to codeshare between HKG and mainland China let alone a through flight.

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:11 pm
by OzarkD9S
xiaotung wrote:

No foreign airlines are allowed to codeshare between HKG and mainland China let alone a through flight.


This. And even if they could, why on Earth would they want to?

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:37 pm
by twicearound
I've calculated that my kitchen knife will suitably fit in an electrical socket. Does that plan work?

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:41 pm
by argentinevol98
I suppose you could come close to filling an A321XLR (if at some point they would order some) from ANC to Shanghai seasonally with perhaps less than daily frequency (forget the HK tag) but I can't imagine yields would be great, not to mention that AS has no XLRs on order. On top of that if some Chinese state airline not particularly concerned with making profits jumped on the route it would kill whatever loads and yields that AS could be making off the route.

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:06 pm
by Byrdluvs747
Truthfully, I would be happier if AS flew to Vladivostok.

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:47 pm
by Ziyulu
Does AS serve any complimentary meals on international flights?

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:54 pm
by Rossiya747
No because they will be joining oneworld soon and American should be able to fulfill their needs. I'd rather see ANC-VVO/PKC/KHV than that

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:12 pm
by PatrickZ80
chongyilam128 wrote:
the whole distance was suitable for an Airbus A321XLR.


Indeed it would be in still air, however in reality the air between Anchorage and Shanghai isn't still. This part of the world sees some of the strongest winds on the planet and when flying westwards, those are headwinds. This would greatly reduce the range of the plane. Sure from Anchorage it can still make Japan or South Korea, but Shanghai is too far stretched. Difference between theory and reality.

So suppose they stop in Japan instead of Shanghai, they might be able to get fifth freedom rights between Japan and Hong Kong. That's a lot more likely than between Shanghai and Hong Kong, where foreign airlines are strictly forbidden to operate. However on this route they'd be facing strong competition, so while it's technically possible it likely wouldn't be profitable.

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:14 pm
by Byrdluvs747
Rossiya747 wrote:
No because they will be joining oneworld soon and American should be able to fulfill their needs.


The problem is that AA doesn't fly ANC-Asia without some serious backtracking. The only OW option to Asia involves ANC-SEA-(HKG/NRT). Unless JL starts a TYO-ANC route, ANC won't have a convenient connection to Asia.


Rossiya747 wrote:
I'd rather see ANC-VVO/PKC/KHV than that


I'd like to see S7 give ANC-VVO a try with their 321neo. Maybe 3-4x weekly.

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:05 pm
by Rossiya747
Byrdluvs747 wrote:
Rossiya747 wrote:
No because they will be joining oneworld soon and American should be able to fulfill their needs.


The problem is that AA doesn't fly ANC-Asia without some serious backtracking. The only OW option to Asia involves ANC-SEA-(HKG/NRT). Unless JL starts a TYO-ANC route, ANC won't have a convenient connection to Asia.


Rossiya747 wrote:
I'd rather see ANC-VVO/PKC/KHV than that


I'd like to see S7 give ANC-VVO a try with their 321neo. Maybe 3-4x weekly.


Yakutia does ANC-PKC on a seasonal basis but the fares are damn too high

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:43 pm
by blacksoviet
Aceskywalker wrote:
AS has no orders for A321XLR. And them setting up Trans-Pacific flights would be a great way to light money on fire.

They were able to make money operating transpacific flights with 707s.

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:51 pm
by argentinevol98
blacksoviet wrote:
Aceskywalker wrote:
AS has no orders for A321XLR. And them setting up Trans-Pacific flights would be a great way to light money on fire.

They were able to make money operating transpacific flights with 707s.


With oil at cents a barrel and highly regulated markets that limited competition keeping fares high. Very different environment today. That's not to say that I don't see some secondary TPAC markets being opened by long-haul narrow-body flying however.

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:20 am
by PatrickZ80
Indeed the market has changed significantly and what was profitable back then would not be profitable anymore today.

The 707s that operated back then were mainline service, connecting the largest cities with each other. Today long haul narrow body would be a niche with a smaller city at at least one end. Those are the only routes where mainline operations on wide body aircraft wouldn't kick them off. And yes, Anchorage is a small city. Back in the days it was a fuel stop, there were hardly any passengers traveling between Anchorage and Hong Kong (or anywhere in Asia for that matter). It was about passengers between mainland USA and Asia. Long range wide body aircraft have made that fuel stop redundant.

For a long time narrow body aircraft didn't have the range to make it from Anchorage to anywhere in Asia other than Russia, only very recently that changed. However still the market is very small, so will these aircraft be small enough? Or would you need a regional jet with long range capability to meet the demand?

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:27 am
by blacksoviet
PatrickZ80 wrote:
Indeed the market has changed significantly and what was profitable back then would not be profitable anymore today.

The 707s that operated back then were mainline service, connecting the largest cities with each other. Today long haul narrow body would be a niche with a smaller city at at least one end. Those are the only routes where mainline operations on wide body aircraft wouldn't kick them off. And yes, Anchorage is a small city. Back in the days it was a fuel stop, there were hardly any passengers traveling between Anchorage and Hong Kong (or anywhere in Asia for that matter). It was about passengers between mainland USA and Asia. Long range wide body aircraft have made that fuel stop redundant.

For a long time narrow body aircraft didn't have the range to make it from Anchorage to anywhere in Asia other than Russia, only very recently that changed. However still the market is very small, so will these aircraft be small enough? Or would you need a regional jet with long range capability to meet the demand?

Why can’t they put their 73Gs on these routes?

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:20 am
by AirKevin
blacksoviet wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
Indeed the market has changed significantly and what was profitable back then would not be profitable anymore today.

The 707s that operated back then were mainline service, connecting the largest cities with each other. Today long haul narrow body would be a niche with a smaller city at at least one end. Those are the only routes where mainline operations on wide body aircraft wouldn't kick them off. And yes, Anchorage is a small city. Back in the days it was a fuel stop, there were hardly any passengers traveling between Anchorage and Hong Kong (or anywhere in Asia for that matter). It was about passengers between mainland USA and Asia. Long range wide body aircraft have made that fuel stop redundant.

For a long time narrow body aircraft didn't have the range to make it from Anchorage to anywhere in Asia other than Russia, only very recently that changed. However still the market is very small, so will these aircraft be small enough? Or would you need a regional jet with long range capability to meet the demand?

Why can’t they put their 73Gs on these routes?

Would it be profitable.

Re: Can Alaska Airlines Operate a flight from Anchorage to Hong Kong via Shanghai (either airport)?

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:58 am
by chongyilam128
Well, Alaska Airlines would retire their A319 and A320s. Who says that they won’t replace them with A321LRs and XLRs?