FlyingBlueKLM
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KLC LCY discussion

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:07 pm

KLC is retiring their E190s in favour of E195-E2s, but are they also retiring their E175s? In my opinion it makes a lot of sense to retire the E175 because of slot constraints at AMS. An all E195-E2 fleet isn’t an option for KLC because of LCY. If they’re retiring their E175s and E190s that means they’ll have to order new aircraft because the E195-E2 isn’t certified for LCY.

This was already discussed in another topic, but that topic is closed: viewtopic.php?p=22096625#p22096625

In post #34 @lightsaber said because of slot constraints, KLC only has 2 options:

Order E190-E2

Add A220 sub-fleet

The latter sounds very strange to me. Why would KLC order the A220 if they standardised on Embraer a few years ago?
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Re: KLC LCY discussion

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:28 pm

FlyingBlueKLM wrote:
In post #34 @lightsaber said because of slot constraints, KLC only has 2 options:

Order E190-E2

Add A220 sub-fleet


Well no, there is a third option which used to be the status-quo - have the route operated by a partner airline like CityJet, or even perhaps in future Air Antwerp. It may well be more economical to equip or have one of these entities equip themselves with a suitable aircraft type than order a small subfleet themselves.

That being said, the 190s still have a fair bit of life with KL, so it's not an imminent problem.
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Re: KLC LCY discussion

Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:04 am

PlymSpotter wrote:
FlyingBlueKLM wrote:
In post #34 @lightsaber said because of slot constraints, KLC only has 2 options:

Order E190-E2

Add A220 sub-fleet


Well no, there is a third option which used to be the status-quo - have the route operated by a partner airline like CityJet, or even perhaps in future Air Antwerp. It may well be more economical to equip or have one of these entities equip themselves with a suitable aircraft type than order a small subfleet themselves.

That being said, the 190s still have a fair bit of life with KL, so it's not an imminent problem.
Would that partner airline use KLCs slots because of the partnership?
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Re: KLC LCY discussion

Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:36 am

FlyingBlueKLM wrote:
Would that partner airline use KLCs slots because of the partnership?


Yes, the owner of the slots can organise another airline to utilise them on their behalf. Technically this is already happening - the slots are owned by KLM, but the flights are operated by KLM Cityhopper, which is a separate legal entity.
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Re: KLC LCY discussion

Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:34 pm

FlyingBlueKLM wrote:
KLC only has 2 options:

Order E190-E2

Add A220 sub-fleet


Or third option, using FOKKER50 of AIR ANTWERP! :airplane:
 
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Re: KLC LCY discussion

Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:35 am

A bit fast aren't we? It hasn't been confirmed if the E195E2s are replacing the E190 or 737-700. But even if we do say they are all replacements for the E190s, they only ordered 21, and they have 32 E190 and 17 E175. They will have plenty of LCY capable E-jets for the forseeable future.

I don't see the E175 leaving any time soon. They are still really young. When time comes, I fully expect them to order something smaller than the E195E2s. They have plenty of routes that can't fill anything bigger.

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