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VTCIE
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All-737 and all-A320 airlines (no A319s, no A321s).

Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:58 pm

Some important airlines that operate only 737s, and nothing else, are as follows:
  • Southwest.
  • Gol.
  • Ryanair (specifically the 737-800, barring EI-SEV, a 737-700 used for training).
  • Transavia, both HV (NL) and TO (FR).
  • Blue Air.
  • SunExpress.
  • Comair/Kulula and FlySafair (South Africa).
  • flydubai.
  • Air India Express.
  • In China: Shandong, OKAir, Donghai, Ruili, Fuzhou, Urumqi, off the top of my head.
  • In Japan: Skymark (after the A330/A380 debacle), Solaseed, Spring Japan.
  • In South Korea: Jeju Air, Eastar Jet, T’way Air.
  • Sriwijaya.

Some important airlines that operate only A320s (no A319s or A321s, etc.) are:
  • VivaAerobús.
  • In Chile: Sky Airline and JetSmart.
  • No one I know of in Europe. Most A320 operators have A321s.
  • In the Middle East: Flynas, Jazeera, SalamAir and SaudiGulf.
  • In India: AirAsia India and GoAir.
  • In China: Loong Air is one, not counting the cargo 737s. Spring Airlines is another. But there are so many more airlines which have A319s/A321s as well!
  • In Japan: Peach (and the erstwhile Vanilla Air), Starflyer, Jetstar Japan.
  • Thai Smile.
 
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Re: All-737 and all-A320 airlines (no A319s, no A321s).

Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:46 pm

If you're going to specify by A320 subtype, why not do the same for 737s? For example, Ryanair is entirely 738s (save for one 73G not used in commercial ops).
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Re: All-737 and all-A320 airlines (no A319s, no A321s).

Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:55 pm

maps4ltd wrote:
If you're going to specify by A320 subtype, why not do the same for 737s? For example, Ryanair is entirely 738s (save for one 73G not used in commercial ops).

I am considering the A319, A320 and A321 to all be different, but the 737-300, 737-800 and 737-900ER to all be the same. The title clearly says no A319s and no A321s. I did mention EI-SEV above.

Of the above airlines, the following operate ONLY the 737-800 (excluding the MAX):
  • Ryanair.
  • SunExpress.
  • flydubai.
  • AI Express.
  • Most of the Korean, Chinese and Japanese airlines. The 737-900ER is not as popular in these countries as it is in Southeast Asia, specifically the Lion Group.
 
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Re: All-737 and all-A320 airlines (no A319s, no A321s).

Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:09 pm

I'm not too sure what you mean. Is it 737-800s only, since you omitted the A319 and A321?

If so:

VTCIE wrote:
[*]Southwest.
[*]Gol.
[*]Transavia, both HV (NL) and TO (FR).
[*]Blue Air.
[*]SunExpress.
[*]Comair/Kulula and FlySafair (South Africa).
[*]Eastar Jet
[*]In China: Shandong, OKAir, Ruili, Urumqi, off the top of my head.
[*]Sriwijaya.[/list]


Most of these have other 737 variants than the -800. A bunch of them still have 737 Classics. Some have completely different types, like SunExpress' A330s and Urumqi's ARJ-21s.
 
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Re: All-737 and all-A320 airlines (no A319s, no A321s).

Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:36 pm

VTCIE wrote:
I am considering the A319, A320 and A321 to all be different, but the 737-300, 737-800 and 737-900ER to all be the same.


Yes but why - I'm not sure what it's meant to achieve?

Just taking Sriwijaya Air as an example, the 'type' B737 covers variants from the 120 seat -500 right up to the -220 seat -900ER. There is no meaningful comparison if you are only considering the A320.

Also in Europe I can think of Air Corsica, BH Air, Bulgarian Air Charter (MDs are now parked IIRC), Freebird, Orange2Fly, SAS Ireland, Smartlynx Estonia and TCX Balearics.
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Re: All-737 and all-A320 airlines (no A319s, no A321s).

Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:54 pm

VTCIE wrote:
I am considering the A319, A320 and A321 to all be different, but the 737-300, 737-800 and 737-900ER to all be the same.

VSMUT wrote:
I'm not too sure what you mean. Is it 737-800s only, since you omitted the A319 and A321?

If so:
VTCIE wrote:
  • Southwest.
  • Gol.
  • Transavia, both HV (NL) and TO (FR).
  • Blue Air.
  • SunExpress.
  • Comair/Kulula and FlySafair (South Africa).
  • Eastar Jet.
  • In China: Shandong, OKAir, Ruili, Urumqi, off the top of my head.
  • Sriwijaya.

Most of these have other 737 variants than the -800. A bunch of them still have 737 Classics. Some have completely different types, like SunExpress' A330s and Urumqi's ARJ-21s.

It seems the A320 should be compared only against the 737-800 and not any other type of 737, in which case I am wrong to talk about other 737 variants. I stand corrected. My flawed logic was that the A319, A320 and A321 have different numberings for different seat capacities, but with the 737, since all variants use the same 737 name, seat capacities could be disregarded.

Unfortunately the first post cannot be edited any more. Still I will have to remove the airlines you listed, and Blue Air specifically, because most of its 737s are very old.

However, the main SunExpress in Turkey operates only 737-800s. The SunExpress that you are talking about is the German one, which operates the A330 for Eurowings, and in EW livery.

PlymSpotter wrote:
Yes but why - I'm not sure what it's meant to achieve?

Just taking Sriwijaya Air as an example, the 'type' B737 covers variants from the 120 seat -500 right up to the -220 seat -900ER. There is no meaningful comparison if you are only considering the A320.

Also in Europe I can think of Air Corsica, BH Air, Bulgarian Air Charter (MDs are now parked IIRC), Freebird, Orange2Fly, SAS Ireland, Smartlynx Estonia and TCX Balearics.

Indeed, the airlines you mention here are very small, barring SAS Ireland and to an extent Freebird. The Vuelings and Wizzes of Europe all have A321s, though they started out with only A320s. However, Air Corsica has ATRs.
 
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Re: All-737 and all-A320 airlines (no A319s, no A321s).

Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:13 pm

VTCIE wrote:
Unfortunately the first post cannot be edited any more. Still I will have to remove the airlines you listed, and Blue Air specifically, because most of its 737s are very old.


Just make new updated lists as the thread goes on.


PlymSpotter wrote:
Also in Europe I can think of Air Corsica, BH Air, Bulgarian Air Charter (MDs are now parked IIRC), Freebird, Orange2Fly, SAS Ireland, Smartlynx Estonia and TCX Balearics.


Air Corsica has ATRs. Bulgarian Air Charter has MD-80s.


Laudamotion is all A320. With 28 A320s, they must be the biggest all A320 in Europe.

Jetstar Asia, FlyAdeal, Tigerair Taiwan, Air Malta.
 
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Re: All-737 and all-A320 airlines (no A319s, no A321s).

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:18 pm

Blue Air has an all-737 fleet. It consists of mostly 737-800s (12), however also a couple of 737 classics (1x 737-300, 1x 737-400 and 6x 737-500). On top of that they also got one 737MAX which has been grounded. Orders for more MAX aircraft are pending, but won't be delivered until the groundings have been lifted.
 
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Re: All-737 and all-A320 airlines (no A319s, no A321s).

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:25 pm

While Air Arabia does have a number of A321s in service, this is not the case for their subsidiaries Air Arabia Egypt and Air Arabia Maroc. Both are A320-only.

ASL Airlines France is all-737. 2x 737-800, 6x 737-700 (of which one is leased to Air Transat) and 3x 737-300QC. That's as far as their passenger fleet goes. On top of that they also got 2x 737-300F and 6x 737-400F for cargo.
 
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Re: All-737 and all-A320 airlines (no A319s, no A321s).

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:29 pm

Pobeda has a fleet of 30x 737-800. They have an order pending for 20x 737MAX, but those haven't been delivered yet.
 
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Re: All-737 and all-A320 airlines (no A319s, no A321s).

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:01 pm

VTCIE wrote:
Indeed, the airlines you mention here are very small, barring SAS Ireland and to an extent Freebird. The Vuelings and Wizzes of Europe all have A321s, though they started out with only A320s. However, Air Corsica has ATRs.


So? You said 'important', not a particular size. All airlines are considered important to those they employ and serve, so again, it's not clear what you are looking for?

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Air Corsica has ATRs. Bulgarian Air Charter has MD-80s.


Laudamotion is all A320. With 28 A320s, they must be the biggest all A320 in Europe.

Jetstar Asia, FlyAdeal, Tigerair Taiwan, Air Malta.


And Urumqui Air, which is listed in the thread opener, have both the ARJ-21 and E190. This suggests other non A319 / A321 types were permissible. Similarly SunExpress have often leased the A330 in from their German subsidiary. Also, as I referenced, Bulgarian Air Charter were retiring their MDs and IIRC this has now been expedited in the face of Coronavirus cancellations, making them an all A320 operator now.
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Re: All-737 and all-A320 airlines (no A319s, no A321s).

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:03 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
Also, as I referenced, Bulgarian Air Charter were retiring their MDs and IIRC this has now been expedited in the face of Coronavirus cancellations, making them an all A320 operator now.


If it's still on the register, it is in the fleet.
 
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Re: All-737 and all-A320 airlines (no A319s, no A321s).

Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:50 pm

VSMUT wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
Also, as I referenced, Bulgarian Air Charter were retiring their MDs and IIRC this has now been expedited in the face of Coronavirus cancellations, making them an all A320 operator now.


If it's still on the register, it is in the fleet.


That's not how it works - being decommissioned but in a fleet on paper, and being operated are two completely different things.

KLM just ended B747 passenger operations, but they will remain officially registered to KLM for many months, potentially years in the case of some airlines. Sadly that doesn't make them a B747 Pax operator any more.
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