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LTU932 wrote:I'd say it will be months, some earlier, others later. I can only speak for SJO, but given the situation in neighbouring Nicaragua (where nothing is being done against COVID-19), it is possible that even when the borders reopen (be it on April 30, or later), that there may be some local restrictions in place for countries such as Nicaragua. I'd go as far as to predict that air travel to/from Nicaragua would continue to be banned for a while longer, with people coming from Nicaragua being required to travel individually by car, or by coach via the land borders (mostly through Peñas Blancas).
In the case of the US, whenever the ban on non-essential travel into the country is lifted, I'd assume that China would still be heavily restricted (apparently, Wuhan went back into lockdown recently), while restrictions for EU countries could be slightly less as strict, but only slightly. The problem with travel to/from the EU is the fact that most EU nations are in the Schengen area, where there are only few places with border checks (mostly the land borders between Germany and Austria due to the immigration crisis, Germany and France, and let's not forget that France has currently still air travel passport control). That itself would make the restrictions for the entire Schengen-Area (not just e.g. Spain and Italy), even if you come from a less affected country. Latin America would, depending on the nation, be less restricted than both China and the EU, even the UK.
A333MSPtoAMS wrote:I wouldn't rely on that. We've already been burned once when the subject of human to human transmission came up. And without going political, but China is known to keep lots of things under wraps.To my knowledge Wuhan ended lockdown on April 8. There is no information to indicate they have gone back in to lockdown.
LTU932 wrote:ghtly. The problem with travel to/from the EU is the fact that most EU nations are in the Schengen area, where there are only few places with border checks (mostly the land borders between Germany and Austria due to the immigration crisis, Germany and France, and let's not forget that France has currently still air travel passport control). That itself would make the restrictions for the entire Schengen-Area (not just e.g. Spain and Italy), even if you come from a less affected country. Latin America would, depending on the nation, be less restricted than both China and the EU, even the UK.
LTU932 wrote:A333MSPtoAMS wrote:I wouldn't rely on that. We've already been burned once when the subject of human to human transmission came up. And without going political, but China is known to keep lots of things under wraps.To my knowledge Wuhan ended lockdown on April 8. There is no information to indicate they have gone back in to lockdown.
upperdeckfan wrote:Ever since the immigration crisis started in 2015, there have been lots of doubts about not having border controls within the EU. I personally think that the Schengen area is doomed to fail. First the immigration crisis, now the Coronavirus, and I think that these border controls, which local governments may consider permanent, are here to stay, and it will cause that terminals for Schengen-flights will have to have permanent passport control for flying in and out, unless they decide to just have passport control for inbound Schengen flights and not control exits (which I doubt).Schengen area has been put on hold indefinitely, border controls within Schengen have been restored and every country has its borders closed. Only repatriation and essentials (transborder workers, medical emergencies, diplomats and gov't officials) are allowed croos borders by air, sea or land.
acavpics wrote:I really hope a good chunk of them are lifted before December holidays.
acavpics wrote:If we can get this thing contained, we could really use a reactivation of flights to Europe here in SJO. But we need to be methodical and do it in such a way that things don't spiral out of control. Costa Rica is in enough economic trouble, the shutdown of the tourism industry has been near fatal to the economy so far. And the lockdown has done its share as well.I really hope a good chunk of them are lifted before December holidays.
LTU932 wrote:acavpics wrote:If we can get this thing contained, we could really use a reactivation of flights to Europe here in SJO. But we need to be methodical and do it in such a way that things don't spiral out of control. Costa Rica is in enough economic trouble, the shutdown of the tourism industry has been near fatal to the economy so far. And the lockdown has done its share as well.I really hope a good chunk of them are lifted before December holidays.
ProfH wrote:acavpics wrote:I really hope a good chunk of them are lifted before December holidays.
Existing evidence for the benefits of travel restrictions shows that they only help during containment in early phases, but have limited effects later as the disease spreads in the community... So hopefully governments will not wait too long!
LGAviation wrote:ProfH wrote:acavpics wrote:I really hope a good chunk of them are lifted before December holidays.
Existing evidence for the benefits of travel restrictions shows that they only help during containment in early phases, but have limited effects later as the disease spreads in the community... So hopefully governments will not wait too long!
That is under the hypothesis that both countries involved are in a late stage. As paradoxically as it sounds, the better a country has the outbreak under control the more it makes sense to restrict international arrivals from countries that have not.
That being said, domestic restrictions and in the case of the EU regional restrictions will have to fall first before people will think about re-opening things like transatlantic flights especially with current trends. That being said, I hope this is all over sooner than later and that with that international flights will return to the skies.
ProfH wrote:LGAviation wrote:ProfH wrote:
Existing evidence for the benefits of travel restrictions shows that they only help during containment in early phases, but have limited effects later as the disease spreads in the community... So hopefully governments will not wait too long!
That is under the hypothesis that both countries involved are in a late stage. As paradoxically as it sounds, the better a country has the outbreak under control the more it makes sense to restrict international arrivals from countries that have not.
That being said, domestic restrictions and in the case of the EU regional restrictions will have to fall first before people will think about re-opening things like transatlantic flights especially with current trends. That being said, I hope this is all over sooner than later and that with that international flights will return to the skies.
Agreed - some EU countries will be able to agree in a bilateral way to reopen flights, and hopefully the US will learn its lessons soon and bring the situation under control. I have made a similar argument for parity-based lifting of travel restrictions here.
Cubsrule wrote:ProfH wrote:LGAviation wrote:
That is under the hypothesis that both countries involved are in a late stage. As paradoxically as it sounds, the better a country has the outbreak under control the more it makes sense to restrict international arrivals from countries that have not.
That being said, domestic restrictions and in the case of the EU regional restrictions will have to fall first before people will think about re-opening things like transatlantic flights especially with current trends. That being said, I hope this is all over sooner than later and that with that international flights will return to the skies.
Agreed - some EU countries will be able to agree in a bilateral way to reopen flights, and hopefully the US will learn its lessons soon and bring the situation under control. I have made a similar argument for parity-based lifting of travel restrictions here.
What do you think the US would need to do that it isn't already doing to "bring the situation under control?" Modeling suggests that the US is past peak infection/resource use; staying the course is a fair ask for travel to and from the US, but I'm not sure what evidence there is for additional measures.
LGAviation wrote:ProfH wrote:acavpics wrote:I really hope a good chunk of them are lifted before December holidays.
Existing evidence for the benefits of travel restrictions shows that they only help during containment in early phases, but have limited effects later as the disease spreads in the community... So hopefully governments will not wait too long!
That is under the hypothesis that both countries involved are in a late stage. As paradoxically as it sounds, the better a country has the outbreak under control the more it makes sense to restrict international arrivals from countries that have not.
That being said, domestic restrictions and in the case of the EU regional restrictions will have to fall first before people will think about re-opening things like transatlantic flights especially with current trends. That being said, I hope this is all over sooner than later and that with that international flights will return to the skies.