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United DC-10's

Fri May 08, 2020 10:11 pm

Wondering if anyone knows where United operated their fleet of DC-10's throughout the years? There doesn't seem to be many or any photo's of them on their Asian or European routes. We're they primarily used on domestic routes? Which was the direct replacement for them? 772's or the 767's?

Also, was it a bit redundant/costly to have both L1011's and DC-10's operating at the same time? Which routes were better suited for each equipment type?
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sat May 09, 2020 1:10 am

First of all, Welcome! That's kind of a BIG answer....Lot's of domestic flying...Transcons...Hub to Hub...Hawaii and the Pacific, although 747's did much of the Far East, NRT, HKG etc.

I'm sure other folks will add more details...
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 1:27 am

Vast majority of the UA DC-10s were the -10 and flown domestically. UA never bought -30s brand new and initially bought them when they started flying to Asia in the early 1980s. Royal Pacific Service. They flew the -30s on routes like HNL-NRT until the late 1990s, but most other routes in Asia transitioned to the 744 as those grew in numbers. They converted 4 of the -30s to cargo aircraft around 1996 and flew those until late 2000. They would mostly be at LAX, ANC, and parts of Asia. One of those cargo DC-10s is still at ROW today in the battleship grey.

The -10s flew all over domestically. West coast-Hawaii, all over the Midwest from DEN and ORD, etc. Flown into DTW from ORD and back again many times on those and 727s in the late 1990s.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sat May 09, 2020 1:39 am

asvidoli wrote:
Wondering if anyone knows where United operated their fleet of DC-10's throughout the years? There doesn't seem to be many or any photo's of them on their Asian or European routes. We're they primarily used on domestic routes? Which was the direct replacement for them? 772's or the 767's?

Also, was it a bit redundant/costly to have both L1011's and DC-10's operating at the same time? Which routes were better suited for each equipment type?


Hi and welcome!

They were used everywhere on the domestic network...I remember flying one from OMA-ORD back in the day. UA was predominately a domestic only carrier back when they acquired the -10s so that's what they were configured for. IIRC UA had 47 DC-10-10s at peak.

The L-1011-500s were a stopgap UA got from PA back with the purchase of the Pacific network from PA. They only last a couple of years before UA replaced them with additional DC-10-30s/747s.

There wasn't a direct replacement for the DC-10 per say. For the most part the 10s were replaced with smaller aircraft (757/737) but at higher frequency.
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Re: United DC-10's

Sat May 09, 2020 1:46 am

For a while, replaced with the 767 when it arrived. Remember the United commercials touting their new 767 widebody.

On a side note, we may see the return of the domestic widebody as airlines consolidate some flights.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 2:25 am

The DC-10s were pretty common in domestic use. One sample market I am familiar with was SMF-DEN. The first morning flight upgauged from the short DC-8s to the stretch -8, and then to the DC-10, which was on the run for several years through the late 70's and early 80's. Then it reduced to the 762, when those arrived in number for another number of years. Then down to the 727s and 737s, but more frequency. I can't remember if that went back up to the 757 (they did have it on SMF-ORD). The DC-10 coming in full at night required (then) both of the little round baggage carousels, and passengers had to check back and forth to find their bags. Not great for the other airlines (OC and RW) arriving right after it, as they had to wait.
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Sat May 09, 2020 2:30 am

I flew a DC10 DTW-DEN in 1981.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 3:40 am

I flew with United from Auckland to London return mid 1992.
Auckland to Los Angeles on a 747SP with only a 40 minute transfer on to London, on a 747, one with only a few windows on the upper deck, was it a model 100 or 200? Any ideas?
Something like 22hrs between Auckland and Heathrow, about 2hrs quicker then I have ever done on nearly twenty trips since between those cities.
Return was LHR to LAX on a 747 SP again, then LAX to Honolulu in a DC10 followed four days later on a DC10 to Auckland
Apart from the flight into Honolulu the crew on the other legs were very free in dispensing the alcohol to anesthetise the passengers.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 3:52 am

asvidoli wrote:
Wondering if anyone knows where United operated their fleet of DC-10's throughout the years? There doesn't seem to be many or any photo's of them on their Asian or European routes. We're they primarily used on domestic routes? Which was the direct replacement for them? 772's or the 767's?

Also, was it a bit redundant/costly to have both L1011's and DC-10's operating at the same time? Which routes were better suited for each equipment type?

all of the DC10-10's were operated domestically. the few DC10-30's we had were operated internationally. We did operate DC10-10's to Hawaii. from the west coast.
the L1011's came with the Pan Am Pacific routes and Pretty much stayed in Asia for the most part. They didn't have that many seats on them as I recall, I think less than 250 total.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sat May 09, 2020 4:14 am

There used to be a heavy concentration of them between the Midwest and the Northeast. They were regular visitors at all the major airports in that region. For example, they were used on hourly shuttles between ORD-PHL.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 5:23 am

Toenga wrote:
I flew with United from Auckland to London return mid 1992.
Auckland to Los Angeles on a 747SP with only a 40 minute transfer on to London, on a 747, one with only a few windows on the upper deck, was it a model 100 or 200? Any ideas?
Something like 22hrs between Auckland and Heathrow, about 2hrs quicker then I have ever done on nearly twenty trips since between those cities.
Return was LHR to LAX on a 747 SP again, then LAX to Honolulu in a DC10 followed four days later on a DC10 to Auckland
Apart from the flight into Honolulu the crew on the other legs were very free in dispensing the alcohol to anesthetise the passengers.


Awesome, I was positive I remember seeing UA DC10s in AKL, not sure they came for very long, I think AKL-LAX non stop started in the 80’s with a 747SP? Then the 744s started around 1992? I’m thinking they kept AKL-HNL for a while with a DC-10? Did it go to Australia?
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 5:37 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Toenga wrote:
I flew with United from Auckland to London return mid 1992.
Auckland to Los Angeles on a 747SP with only a 40 minute transfer on to London, on a 747, one with only a few windows on the upper deck, was it


Awesome, I was positive I remember seeing UA DC10s in AKL, not sure they came for very long, I think AKL-LAX non stop started in the 80’s with a 747SP? Then the 744s started around 1992? I’m thinking they kept AKL-HNL for a while with a DC-10? Did it go to Australia?


I am sure that there was an AKL to Australia at that time as it was the only way to redeem my air miles until when the 744 took over from the SP a few months later and UA offered some amazing deals on point redemption, Something like the points plus NZ$600 to the Eastern Seaboard return. Unfortunately I was servicing a large mortgage at the time, and still recovering from the European trip a year before. In retrospect I still should have gone!
I think the 744s were the first in their battleship grey livery, which I think looked quite smart.
The SP had great legroom.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 5:37 am

And don’t forget the 3 that CP air used in the mid 80’s. These birds made it to Europe.
Believe it was a swap/lease with CP’s 742’s ..?
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 5:40 am

I would be almost certain that the shortest scheduled segment operated by UA's DC-10s during their 30+ years in service was COS-DEN.
 
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Toenga wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Toenga wrote:
I flew with United from Auckland to London return mid 1992.
Auckland to Los Angeles on a 747SP with only a 40 minute transfer on to London, on a 747, one with only a few windows on the upper deck, was it


Awesome, I was positive I remember seeing UA DC10s in AKL, not sure they came for very long, I think AKL-LAX non stop started in the 80’s with a 747SP? Then the 744s started around 1992? I’m thinking they kept AKL-HNL for a while with a DC-10? Did it go to Australia?


I am sure that there was an AKL to Australia at that time as it was the only way to redeem my air miles until when the 744 took over from the SP a few months later and UA offered some amazing deals on point redemption, Something like the points plus NZ$600 to the Eastern Seaboard return. Unfortunately I was servicing a large mortgage at the time, and still recovering from the European trip a year before. In retrospect I still should have gone!
I think the 744s were the first in their battleship grey livery, which I think looked quite smart.
The SP had great legroom.


Was the HNL-AKL an early afternoon arrival with a return from SYD late evening and a midnight AKL-HNL or something? I’m sure I saw the DC-10 early afternoon on AKL?

I remember the old Saul Bass livery on the 744s before the battleship grey.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 5:51 am

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And don’t forget the 3 that CP air used in the mid 80’s. These birds made it to Europe.
Believe it was a swap/lease with CP’s 742’s ..?

Close ...if I recall correctly, CP took 3 UA DC-10-10 to operate YVR-YYZ/YUL in exchange for 3 of their own DC-10-30 sent to UA for their SEA/PDX-NRT route ( prior to the purchase of the PA Pacific routes
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 6:01 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Toenga wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:



Was the HNL-AKL an early afternoon arrival with a return from SYD late evening and a midnight AKL-HNL or something? I’m sure I saw the DC-10 early afternoon on AKL?

I remember the old Saul Bass livery on the 744s before the battleship grey.


The flight I was on departed HNL in the middle of the night and arrived AKL about 0700.
It was near empty, got a middle row of 5 seats for shut eye.
The AKL to LAX flight left mid evening, and the flight into LHR arrived about 0700hrs
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 6:04 am

I dont think UA had an hourly shuttle. All flights were 10's but only 5 or 6 a day. Flew them quite a bit on the PHL-ORD. also PHL-LAX, SFO-KOA, SFO- ORD, and others
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 9:16 am

I could be wrong, but I don’t ever remember UA sending the DC-10 TATL. If they did it must not have been long. They converted the 762s to ETOPS and “ER” spec and used those before the 763 showed up.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 9:21 am

mga707 wrote:
I would be almost certain that the shortest scheduled segment operated by UA's DC-10s during their 30+ years in service was COS-DEN.


Back in the 80s UA flew from IAD to BWI on either a DC10 or L1011, believe it was the DC10. It was the last flight into BWI and the first flight out the next day. Continued on to either LAX or SFO.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 9:57 am

asvidoli wrote:
Wondering if anyone knows where United operated their fleet of DC-10's throughout the years? There doesn't seem to be many or any photo's of them on their Asian or European routes.


Their DC-10 fleet was mostly made off the domestic version plus 8 long-haul -30/-30CFs, along three additional -30ERs leased from CP Air between 1983 or 84 and 1987. The latter were used on non-stop SEA-NRT & SEA-HKG flights.

The 8 others were either seen on domestic routes or across the Pacific through HNL, such as SYD, AKL. I believe they were also used on intra-Asian flights like when 747 operated for instance a U.S. west coast to NRT flight that continued to another destination, the latter segment could be operated with a DC-10. I remember reading it in their timetables. Regarding Europe, UA only started scheduled flights there in 1991 with 767s and perhaps 747s to LHR.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 11:24 am

Kiwiandrew wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
And don’t forget the 3 that CP air used in the mid 80’s. These birds made it to Europe.
Believe it was a swap/lease with CP’s 742’s ..?

Close ...if I recall correctly, CP took 3 UA DC-10-10 to operate YVR-YYZ/YUL in exchange for 3 of their own DC-10-30 sent to UA for their SEA/PDX-NRT route ( prior to the purchase of the PA Pacific routes


Yep... that’s was it....foggy memory...
They used to turn up at LGW on a Saturday night rotation... 1985ish...
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 12:20 pm

Among somewhat more unexpected UA DC-10 destinations, add BDL (actually, BDL had rather routine UA widebody service through the 1990s) and also MKE, PIT and ATL (early to mid 1970s). OMA, SMF and COS have already been mentioned.

IIRC, PIT had UA DC-10 service to ORD, PHL during the early to mid 1970s. Maybe even DC-10s doing short hops like PIT-CLE/DTW even if these flights may have largely been the likes of UA 732s and 721s/722s. Anyway, UA's takeover of Capital Airlines during the 1960s gave UA a large presence at PIT during the 70s.

One can't forget that UA DC-10 diversion to DCA. Originally scheduled ORD-BWI, Baltimore had severe t-storms/low ceilings. Attempts to divert to IAD and ADW were aborted due again to poor weather; diminishing fuel reserves led the flight to land at DCA.
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Sat May 09, 2020 1:00 pm

The last two UA DC10 flights I took were both in the 1990s. In 1992, from CLE to ORD, the first departure of the day and an afternoon flight were often on the DC10. My last flight on a UA DC10 was ORD-SEA (connected from LGA at ORD on a 757).
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 1:23 pm

UA DC10s were daily visitors to Toronto for many years.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 2:37 pm

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UA DC10s were daily visitors to Toronto for many years.

747s too!

And ..... on the 55 minute 747/DC-10 flight from YYZ-ORD, United would serve you a hot breakfast, served on Genie Trays. (Remember those?)
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Sat May 09, 2020 2:47 pm

Fun fact: it was sometime after Aug., 1978 (I don't know exactly when), that UA instituted an all-widebody policy for all trans-con nonstop flights, so other than the odd 747 which may have remained here & there on JFK-LAX/SFO, all nonstop trans-con's which were still being operated with DC-8's were upgauged to DC-10-10's; eventually they stopped the 747's and it was all-DC-10.

With paternal grandparents & other family in the LA area, I practically grew up flying on countless UA DC-10's between IAD & LAX, a couple ships I flew on more than once; 40 F seats up front, and in those days before FF programs w/upgrades, us non-rev's nearly always got F. Those were the days. UA's "Ocean to Ocean Service" was fantastic. Even got to know some of the crews, especially the bunch known at the IAD F/A base as "The Crazy Crew", they were a hoot and a half! Fond memories.
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Sat May 09, 2020 2:49 pm

longhauler wrote:
sparkyjet wrote:
UA DC10s were daily visitors to Toronto for many years.

747s too!

And ..... on the 55 minute 747/DC-10 flight from YYZ-ORD, United would serve you a hot breakfast, served on Genie Trays. (Remember those?)


Yes, I still find it amazing that 747's were operated on such short-hauls back then; NW ran one on IAD-ORD v.v. for years too (good ole flts. 003 & 004). Ah, those were the days!
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Sat May 09, 2020 3:55 pm

Kiwiandrew wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
And don’t forget the 3 that CP air used in the mid 80’s. These birds made it to Europe.
Believe it was a swap/lease with CP’s 742’s ..?

Close ...if I recall correctly, CP took 3 UA DC-10-10 to operate YVR-YYZ/YUL in exchange for 3 of their own DC-10-30 sent to UA for their SEA/PDX-NRT route ( prior to the purchase of the PA Pacific routes


No, UA never used the DC-10-30 on a regular basis for PDX-NRT between 1983 and 1986 as part of the Royal Pacific Service, pre-PA Pacific acquisition. It was 1x per week on a 742, which originated and terminated in ORD. SEA used the 742 to NRT also. But the DC-10-30 was used on SEA-HKG and then eventually replaced by the 747SP when they acquired them from PA.

For the Pacific Northwest, UA used the DC-10 on routes like:
PDX-SFO
PDX-DEN
PDX-ORD
SEA-ORD
SEA-DEN
SEA-SFO
SEA-ANC

DC-10s often ended their day in SEA and PDX. I remember working the summer of '96 at SEA, and there was always at least 3 DC-10s parked overnight at the North Satellite (N1, N2, N3, and either N9 or N10.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 4:05 pm

Many fond memories of flying on UA DC-10's when I lived near ORD in the 80's and traveled to the west coast often - LAX, SFO, SEA - almost always a DC-10. One of the benefits I cherished as part of my position as an operations manager at a freight forwarder who was one of UA's biggest cargo customers is that I was able to get upgraded to F for free pretty regularly and UA's F on the DC-10 was terrific for its day. One of the best meals of my entire life was on one of those flights - I couldn't believe airplane food could ever taste that good.
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Sat May 09, 2020 4:09 pm

United did operate a DC10-30 BKK-NRT in the mid 90s. I flew that several times between the two cites. The flight left BKK at 23:30 and arrived NRT around 07:30 the following morning. This was later replaced with a 747-400.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 4:19 pm

UA used one on ORD-DTW in the 1990s. I took it a few times going to visit my sister and nephews. It struck me as an odd choice for such a short flight, taking nearly as long to embark or disembark (boarding started 40 minutes prior to departure) as it did to fly the route (about 45 minutes wheels-up to touchdown). Of course, by then the DC-10 was pretty long in the tooth, so it makes sense that UA would have chosen a low-utilization schedule for it.
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Sat May 09, 2020 4:29 pm

DocLightning wrote:
UA used one on ORD-DTW in the 1990s. I took it a few times going to visit my sister and nephews. It struck me as an odd choice for such a short flight, taking nearly as long to embark or disembark (boarding started 40 minutes prior to departure) as it did to fly the route (about 45 minutes wheels-up to touchdown). Of course, by then the DC-10 was pretty long in the tooth, so it makes sense that UA would have chosen a low-utilization schedule for it.


I don't recall UA DC-10s on ORD-DTW in the early 90s. WN had started DTT-MDW and AA/UA/NW put a lot of capacity on DTW-ORD, leading to routine availability of $41 r/t fares. I do remember AA DC-10s being staffed with an FA crew of 10.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 4:35 pm

I also flew them a lot, often from SFO to ORD connecting to DTW or PHL. At the time there were no nonstops between SFO and PHL, which I found shocking.
The shortest hop I ever took on a UA 10 was YVR to SEA.
 
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I also flew them a lot, often from SFO to ORD connecting to DTW or PHL. At the time there were no nonstops between SFO and PHL, which I found shocking.
The shortest hop I ever took on a UA 10 was YVR to SEA.


In the 80s United started PHL-SFO nonstop and for many years it was a DC10. Often PHL-SFO-HNL-LIH.

PHL was a pretty big DC10 location for United: LAX, SFO, DEN, and ORD.

United’s DC10 fleet was all over the domestic network including EWR, BOS, BDL, BWI, IAD, PHL, MCO, MIA, ORD, DTW, DEN, COS, OMA, LAS, PHX, LAX, SAN, SEA, PDX, HNL, YVR, YYZ, KOA, OGG. It might have even been occasionally scheduled on DSM, DFW, and IAH.

Amazing when you think about it in today’s context.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 6:02 pm

I flew on UA DC-10s ORD-ITO (Hilo) multiple times non-stop. I think once ORD-HNL, but can’t be sure. ORD-SEA one year and CLE-TPA another. Always seemed to catch a DC-8 ORD-SFO instead of a DC-10.
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I don't recall UA DC-10s on ORD-DTW in the early ‘90s.


At least late ‘90s. Once a day. They used 737s and 727s otherwise.
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Sat May 09, 2020 6:44 pm

Big memory I have of the UA DC-10s are the red eyes from both LAX and SFO to IAD through much of the 90s; believe SFO was Flight 50. Took many times.

Separately, have a memory of a DC-10 at the gate in SAN around 1991, shortly after the London routes were started; believe the board said SAN-SFO-LHR. I've always wondered if that was a single routing or if the equipment swapped in SFO. Does anyone have info if that full route ever existed?
 
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DocLightning wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

I don't recall UA DC-10s on ORD-DTW in the early ‘90s.


At least late ‘90s. Once a day. They used 737s and 727s otherwise.


That is correct. I was ORD-based as a flight attendant in 1998 and 1999, and I worked both the -10 and the -30 on DTW-ORD. This was during the period beginning in the mid-1990s when United pulled down most of its West Coast-Midwest nonstop service. Big markets for United such as MSP, DTW, CLE, MCI, STL, IND, etc. had no West Coast non-stops, and no Dulles nonstops until the CRJ operation really boomed right around 9/11. Thus, those Midwestern markets had very high volume service to DEN and ORD - as all traffic had to flow across one of those two hubs. I remember sitting in a cafe in Chicago on Clark Street late one night in 1998 on reserve and getting called for a DC-10 trip that started with a Baltimore turn, then down to MCO for a layover, then back the next day from MCO to ORD and then closing out with an IND turn.

By the late 1990s, United had taken delivery of a large fleet of 767-300ERs and 777s. Thus the DC-10s had come off of international and were doing three jobs at the company:
1. Domestic turns out of ORD and DEN
2. West Coast-Hawaii
3. ORD-HNL (on the DC-10-30)

At the time I started flying in 1998, all the DC-10-30s, plus one DC-10-10 had lower lobe galleys, while the rest of the -10s had main deck galleys. Junior flight attendants dreaded the lower lobe, as you didn't see it enough to really learn how to work it, and you could get juniored into working it, which would botch the whole service and have the rest of the crew hating you. One of my friends got juniored into it on a -30 on ORD-SFO, and the service was such a disaster that they didn't finish by the time they started descending (after 3:30 aloft!). The captain had to enter a holding pattern so they could get the carts back downstairs. Passengers missed connections due to the delayed arrival!
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sat May 09, 2020 7:16 pm

DocLightning wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

I don't recall UA DC-10s on ORD-DTW in the early ‘90s.


At least late ‘90s. Once a day. They used 737s and 727s otherwise.

They definitely did in the mid 1990s to 2000. I’ve been on them.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sat May 09, 2020 7:46 pm

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
Kiwiandrew wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
And don’t forget the 3 that CP air used in the mid 80’s. These birds made it to Europe.
Believe it was a swap/lease with CP’s 742’s ..?

Close ...if I recall correctly, CP took 3 UA DC-10-10 to operate YVR-YYZ/YUL in exchange for 3 of their own DC-10-30 sent to UA for their SEA/PDX-NRT route ( prior to the purchase of the PA Pacific routes


No, UA never used the DC-10-30 on a regular basis for PDX-NRT between 1983 and 1986 as part of the Royal Pacific Service, pre-PA Pacific acquisition. It was 1x per week on a 742, which originated and terminated in ORD. SEA used the 742 to NRT also. But the DC-10-30 was used on SEA-HKG and then eventually replaced by the 747SP when they acquired them from PA.

For the Pacific Northwest, UA used the DC-10 on routes like:
PDX-SFO
PDX-DEN
PDX-ORD
SEA-ORD
SEA-DEN
SEA-SFO
SEA-ANC

DC-10s often ended their day in SEA and PDX. I remember working the summer of '96 at SEA, and there was always at least 3 DC-10s parked overnight at the North Satellite (N1, N2, N3, and either N9 or N10.

Oh, yes, of course. Old age getting to me, I'd forgotten SEA-HKG, but you're absolutely correct. Thank you :-)
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sat May 09, 2020 10:52 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
UA used one on ORD-DTW in the 1990s. I took it a few times going to visit my sister and nephews. It struck me as an odd choice for such a short flight, taking nearly as long to embark or disembark (boarding started 40 minutes prior to departure) as it did to fly the route (about 45 minutes wheels-up to touchdown). Of course, by then the DC-10 was pretty long in the tooth, so it makes sense that UA would have chosen a low-utilization schedule for it.


I don't recall UA DC-10s on ORD-DTW in the early 90s. WN had started DTT-MDW and AA/UA/NW put a lot of capacity on DTW-ORD, leading to routine availability of $41 r/t fares. I do remember AA DC-10s being staffed with an FA crew of 10.


AA and UA both had DTW/ORD on DC-10s until the early '90s - I distinctly remember AA running a 5pm departure to ORD with continuing service to HNL, would arrive from ORD, so ORD-DTW-ORD-HNL.

UA ran DC-10s from DTW-LAS on charter flights well into the late '90s and maybe until 2000 - I always assumed they would rotate in the flight via ORD - i.e. ORD-DTW-LAS-DTW-ORD - as these flights were usually Friday-only or Thursday and Friday only - used to sell through Hamilton, Miller, Hudson & Fayne (HMHF) travel agency.

AA cut back big in DTW around '92/'93 - dropped BNA to Eagle, RDU dropped completely, AA was only to ORD/DFW and 1 daily to MIA for a bit around that time '93-'95 - with F100s on some of the flights.

If you remember, WN used to have $19 fares to MDW when they 1st started service to DTW/DET around 1987/88 - people would go to Chicago for the day it was so easy and cheap then - same with IND around 1989 when WN tried service on that route. Back then the original Midway Airlines were the big guys to MDW from DTW - 1st gate on the left when entering the "C" concourse of the L.C. Smith terminal, very convenient. Service on Southwest and Midway to MDW - AA/UA/NW to ORD back in that time period.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sat May 09, 2020 11:29 pm

From a 4/3/88 timetable, these are the DC10 Routes

Flt # From To
4 lax ewr
6 lax jfk
7 jfk lax
9 phl ord
ord ogg
ogg hnl
10 hnl ord
11 ewr lax
14 lax ewr
16 sfo iad
iad phl
20 sfo iad
21 phl iad
iad sfo
28 lax jfk
29 jfk sfo
30 ogg sfo
31 sfo ogg
32 hnl sea
33 sea hnl
34 sfo ewr
35 ewr sfo
38 sfo ewr
39 ewr lax
40 koa lax
50 sfo iad
52 lax iad
53 bos sfo
54 lax iad
iad bos
55 iad lax
57 iad sfo
58 sfo bos
91 bos lax
96 lax bos
97 iad lax
100 hnl lax
103 ord lax
106 lax ord
107 ewr ord
ord lax
lax hnl
108 lax ord
109 phl ord
ord lax
111 mco ord
ord lax
112 lax ord
ord iad
115 ord lax
lax koa
116 lax ord
118 ogg lax
lax ord
ord bos
121 bos ord
ord sfo
122 sfo ord
ord yyz
123 bdl ord
ord sfo
126 sfo ord
ord bdl
128 sfo ord
ord yyz
129 mia ord
ord sfo
132 sfo ord
135 bos ord
ord sfo
140 sea ord
ord dtw
147 ord sea
155 tpa ord
ord sea
159 yyz ord
ord sea
181 sfo hnl
182 hnl sfo
183 pdx sfo
sfo hnl
184 hnl sfo
sfo pdx
186 hnl sfo
187 sfo hnl
189 lax hnl
190 hnl lax
194 hnl lax
196 hnl lax
197 lax hnl
199 lax hnl
200 hnl den
201 den hnl
208 phx ord
ord phl
214 sfo ord
218 phx ord
ord dtw
225 bos ord
ord den
232 den ord
ord cle
263 den lax
272 ord phl
281 lax ogg
300 ord phl
325 ewr ord
331 mco den
den las
347 iad den
357 den lax
359 tpa ord
366 las ord
ord bwi
378 san ord
ord phl
383 phl den
den san
397 dtw ord
406 ord bos
427 mco ord
432 ord bos
442 dtw ord
ord mia
473 ord phx
479 bdl ord
487 dtw den
den las
494 las den
den phl
502 lax ord
ord mco
504 ord mco
507 mco ord
509 ord san
san lax
515 ord phx
571 ord las
576 ord tpa
584 ord mco
586 ord dtw
673 bos ord
691 dtw ord
701 bos ord
711 phl ord
ord las
720 las den
den dtw
723 mco ord
727 bwi ord
ord phx
756 sea den
den mco
759 phl ord
764 ord mco
808 ord phl
phl bwi
841 yyz ord
ord san
854 ord ewr
869 cle ord
870 ord ewr
874 ord tpa
894 phx ord
932 ord bdl
946 ord bos
950 las ord
ord bwi
975 bwi ord
998 san den
1986 lax sfo
1207 sea lax
1270 lax sfo
1705 bos FLL
1706 FLL bos
1708 FLL tpa
tpa phl
1709 phl tpa
tpa FLL
1773 mia den
den sea
1774 sea den
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 12:23 am

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
Kiwiandrew wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
And don’t forget the 3 that CP air used in the mid 80’s. These birds made it to Europe.
Believe it was a swap/lease with CP’s 742’s ..?

Close ...if I recall correctly, CP took 3 UA DC-10-10 to operate YVR-YYZ/YUL in exchange for 3 of their own DC-10-30 sent to UA for their SEA/PDX-NRT route ( prior to the purchase of the PA Pacific routes


No, UA never used the DC-10-30 on a regular basis for PDX-NRT between 1983 and 1986 as part of the Royal Pacific Service, pre-PA Pacific acquisition. It was 1x per week on a 742, which originated and terminated in ORD. SEA used the 742 to NRT also. But the DC-10-30 was used on SEA-HKG and then eventually replaced by the 747SP when they acquired them from PA.

For the Pacific Northwest, UA used the DC-10 on routes like:
PDX-SFO
PDX-DEN
PDX-ORD
SEA-ORD
SEA-DEN
SEA-SFO
SEA-ANC

DC-10s often ended their day in SEA and PDX. I remember working the summer of '96 at SEA, and there was always at least 3 DC-10s parked overnight at the North Satellite (N1, N2, N3, and either N9 or N10.


Perfectly great memory on the UA use of the leased CP DC-10-30's. ORD-SEA/PDX-NRT was started & ended exclusively operated by the 742 in the the UA fleet. I believe when HKG went to the 74L, thay UA started flying the 74L on the SEA-LHR route as well.

I can remember flying their DC-10's PDX-HNL-PDX n/s as flight 48 outbound & 49 inbound, around the early - mid 80's, prior to that is was operated on a DC-8. SEA was operated by the DC-10 as well.
707 717 720 727-1/2 737-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 747-1/2/3/4 757-2/3 767-2/3/4 777-2/3 DC8 DC9 MD80/2/7/8 D10-1/3/4 M11 L10-1/2/5 A300/310/320
AA AC AQ AS BA BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HG HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN WP YS 8M
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 12:44 am

United’s last DC-10-10 delivery, N1848U, was a -10CF for the civil reserve air fleet (CRAF)
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 3:17 am

880dc8707 wrote:
I dont think UA had an hourly shuttle. All flights were 10's but only 5 or 6 a day. Flew them quite a bit on the PHL-ORD. also PHL-LAX, SFO-KOA, SFO- ORD, and others


They sure did and it was heavily advertised in the PHL market. Six of the 12 flights were DC-10s along w/ DC-10s to IAD, LAX, SFO and DEN (that was later switched to a 767). There is a pretty cool shot at PHL back in 1987 showing three at the gate at the same time on a competing web site, so I don't know how to import it here.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 3:21 am

gwrudolph wrote:
SFOThinker wrote:
I also flew them a lot, often from SFO to ORD connecting to DTW or PHL. At the time there were no nonstops between SFO and PHL, which I found shocking.
The shortest hop I ever took on a UA 10 was YVR to SEA.


In the 80s United started PHL-SFO nonstop and for many years it was a DC10. Often PHL-SFO-HNL-LIH.

PHL was a pretty big DC10 location for United: LAX, SFO, DEN, and ORD.

United’s DC10 fleet was all over the domestic network including EWR, BOS, BDL, BWI, IAD, PHL, MCO, MIA, ORD, DTW, DEN, COS, OMA, LAS, PHX, LAX, SAN, SEA, PDX, HNL, YVR, YYZ, KOA, OGG. It might have even been occasionally scheduled on DSM, DFW, and IAH.

Amazing when you think about it in today’s context.


Sadly, let's not forget United #232. A DC-10 DEN-ORD-PHL, that crashed at Sioux City.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 4:01 am

‘I can remember flying their DC-10's PDX-HNL-PDX n/s as flight 48 outbound & 49 inbound, around the early - mid 80's, prior to that is was operated on a DC-8. SEA was operated by the DC-10 as well.’

Very early 80’s, as my first trip to Hawaii was spring break 1980, and our N/S to HNL from PDX on the 10, sat next to another 10 going to ORD about 30 mins later.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 5:06 am

mga707 wrote:
I would be almost certain that the shortest scheduled segment operated by UA's DC-10s during their 30+ years in service was COS-DEN.


SFO-OAK is just a wee bit shorter.

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