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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 5:36 am

TARTRESED wrote:
mga707 wrote:
I would be almost certain that the shortest scheduled segment operated by UA's DC-10s during their 30+ years in service was COS-DEN.


SFO-OAK is just a wee bit shorter.


Hence my use of the qualifier 'scheduled segment'. DEN-COS was/is a bookable flight on United, much as one could at times book a short hop on an American DC-10 on short segments such as TUS-PHX or CLE-BUF. As far as I can recall, SFO-OAK was not bookable by a revenue passenger. Someone earlier mentioned BWI-IAD, I don't think that was bookable either.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 11:42 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Toenga wrote:
I flew with United from Auckland to London return mid 1992.
Auckland to Los Angeles on a 747SP with only a 40 minute transfer on to London, on a 747, one with only a few windows on the upper deck, was it a model 100 or 200? Any ideas?
Something like 22hrs between Auckland and Heathrow, about 2hrs quicker then I have ever done on nearly twenty trips since between those cities.
Return was LHR to LAX on a 747 SP again, then LAX to Honolulu in a DC10 followed four days later on a DC10 to Auckland
Apart from the flight into Honolulu the crew on the other legs were very free in dispensing the alcohol to anesthetise the passengers.


Awesome, I was positive I remember seeing UA DC10s in AKL, not sure they came for very long, I think AKL-LAX non stop started in the 80’s with a 747SP? Then the 744s started around 1992? I’m thinking they kept AKL-HNL for a while with a DC-10? Did it go to Australia?


You are right they did come down to Auckland, saw one there back in 1992 going to ORD via LAX, I was on a Continental MELB ALK, HNL LAX and saw a UA 10-30 at the gate at Auckland, which surprised me big time. No UA never brought their DC-10s to Australia it was all 747s right from the time United got the Pan Am Pacific routes.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 12:00 pm

Flyingsottsman wrote:
No UA never brought their DC-10s to Australia it was all 747s right from the time United got the Pan Am Pacific routes.




I believe the flight route was LAX-HNL-SYD
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 1:22 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
SFOThinker wrote:
I also flew them a lot, often from SFO to ORD connecting to DTW or PHL. At the time there were no nonstops between SFO and PHL, which I found shocking.
The shortest hop I ever took on a UA 10 was YVR to SEA.


In the 80s United started PHL-SFO nonstop and for many years it was a DC10. Often PHL-SFO-HNL-LIH


While not wanting to get too far offtopic, the Feb 1985 Official Airline Guide indicates no SFO-PHL nonstops by anyone....even if UA may have had one stops on the route. I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it. But OAGs do show much of the rest of the decade had UA nonstops including with DC-10s.

During the 1970s (even during the oil crises) into the early 80s, nonstop SFO-PHL was covered not only by UA (DC-8s, DC-10s), but also by TWA (at times with L-1011s).
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 4:10 pm

TARTRESED wrote:
mga707 wrote:
I would be almost certain that the shortest scheduled segment operated by UA's DC-10s during their 30+ years in service was COS-DEN.


SFO-OAK is just a wee bit shorter.


Although UA flew SFO-OAK, and it is shorter than COS-DEN, I don't recall UA DC-10's ever being scheduled from OAK. I recall SFO-OAK being scheduled with a DC-8 and 727's. It was a fun flight - you ended up covering 40+ air miles to go the 11 miles straight-line distance.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 6:24 pm

One of the earliest flights I remember was MIA-ORD on a UA DC-10, thinking it was 1992'ish. Saul Bass livery.

For some reason we routed MCO-MIA-ORD-MSP - thinking it must have been a cost thing as it was my aunt, uncle, 3 cousins and my sister and me so 7 total. I think we flew United from MCO-MIA, if not it was another carrier then United the rest of the way to MSP.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 6:54 pm

dtw9 wrote:
United’s last DC-10-10 delivery, N1848U, was a -10CF for the civil reserve air fleet (CRAF)


Indeed, and their last DC-10 to join the fleet was N1849U in March 1989 coming from DL. UA, contrary to the other large customer for the type (AA) only added that single second-hand series 10.

 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 8:34 pm

[quote="jtt99"]From a 4/3/88 timetable, these are the DC10 Routes

Flt # From To
140 sea ord
ord dtw
147 ord sea

Late December '88 or very early January '89: UA144 ORD-CLE (evening flight)
Like UA140: SEA origination/short hop of through-service past ORD
I was ecstatic to be on a UA DC10, if only for an hour
The back was almost completely empty so wideness of the cabin very apparent

October '89: a Philadelphia TV station showed footage at PHL of the first UA
flight arriving from SFO, a DC10, of course, after the devastating earthquake

Thanks for a thread on this UA workhorse
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 8:44 pm

.[/quote]


I believe the flight route was LAX-HNL-SYD[/quote]
When I bought my United ticket from Wellington to the UK return, (The flights WLG to AKL were on an Ansett BAE 146), there was a way I could redeem my points transtasman from Auckland, so it had to be a tag on on the 747 ex LAX, or the DC10 ex LAX. The option disappeared before I could avail my self. Certainly a 0700hrs arrival in AKL would have made a transtasman leg feasible.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 8:52 pm

Toenga wrote:
I flew with United from Auckland to London return mid 1992.
Auckland to Los Angeles on a 747SP with only a 40 minute transfer on to London, on a 747, one with only a few windows on the upper deck, was it a model 100 or 200? Any ideas?
Something like 22hrs between Auckland and Heathrow, about 2hrs quicker then I have ever done on nearly twenty trips since between those cities.
Return was LHR to LAX on a 747 SP again, then LAX to Honolulu in a DC10 followed four days later on a DC10 to Auckland
Apart from the flight into Honolulu the crew on the other legs were very free in dispensing the alcohol to anesthetise the passengers.

all the 747-123's United bought had only 3 windows in the upper deck. By that time? The mod to install more windows was probably not cost efficient to even do it.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Sun May 10, 2020 8:57 pm

asvidoli wrote:
Wondering if anyone knows where United operated their fleet of DC-10's throughout the years?


I flew on one in the early 90’s from ORD-DEN . Great trip and lovely aircraft.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Mon May 11, 2020 7:12 am

asvidoli wrote:
Wondering if anyone knows where United operated their fleet of DC-10's throughout the years? There doesn't seem to be many or any photo's of them on their Asian or European routes. We're they primarily used on domestic routes? Which was the direct replacement for them? 772's or the 767's?

Also, was it a bit redundant/costly to have both L1011's and DC-10's operating at the same time? Which routes were better suited for each equipment type?



I flew the DC-10 on BOS-ORD-MCO //SEA-ORD // IAD-SEA legs

the L1011's operated 1986 out of SFO to OSA with onward legs to China and other countries or only Intra-Asia flights and e.g. SFO-NRT-PEK or SHA or PEK-SHA
The L1011's joined the UA fleet after the 1986 take over of Pan Am's Transpacific routes as well the 747SP's

The DC-10's also operated Intra-Asia routes like HKG-SFO or the LAX-SEA-HKG route and back
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Re: United DC-10's

Mon May 11, 2020 8:27 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Flyingsottsman wrote:
No UA never brought their DC-10s to Australia it was all 747s right from the time United got the Pan Am Pacific routes.




I believe the flight route was LAX-HNL-SYD


Wow there you go! I didn't know they flew them to Australia, then again living in Melbourne we never got that amount of airlines nor the variety of aircraft Sydney got. How often did UA fly their DC-10s into Sydney.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Mon May 11, 2020 9:33 am

Flyingsottsman wrote:
How often did UA fly their DC-10s into Sydney.


I don't know right now.


However I have three questions regarding UA's eight DC-10-30s/-30CF

- Since they were mostly a domestic airline, why did they began acquiring DC-10-30s back in 1984 with the three former Laker's?

- In 1986, they added four former World Airways DC-10-30CFs. Were they added because of their main deck cargo capability useful for the CRAF?

- Back in the mid-90s UA decided to launch dedicated cargo flights using some of their DC-10s converted to freighter. Why didn't they convert the four -30CFs instead of three -30s and one -30CF?
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Mon May 11, 2020 12:06 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:
SFOThinker wrote:
I also flew them a lot, often from SFO to ORD connecting to DTW or PHL. At the time there were no nonstops between SFO and PHL, which I found shocking.
The shortest hop I ever took on a UA 10 was YVR to SEA.


In the 80s United started PHL-SFO nonstop and for many years it was a DC10. Often PHL-SFO-HNL-LIH


While not wanting to get too far offtopic, the Feb 1985 Official Airline Guide indicates no SFO-PHL nonstops by anyone....even if UA may have had one stops on the route. I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it. But OAGs do show much of the rest of the decade had UA nonstops including with DC-10s.

During the 1970s (even during the oil crises) into the early 80s, nonstop SFO-PHL was covered not only by UA (DC-8s, DC-10s), but also by TWA (at times with L-1011s).


Yes, I think it was 88 or so when United started the morning DC10 nonstops PHL-SFO. In the early 90s, they added the evening nonstop as well
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Mon May 11, 2020 2:37 pm

UA was my airline of choice from the late 70s to the mid 90s, so I had quite a few DC-10 flights:

LAX-ORD-LAX, April 1986
LAX-JFK-LAX, June/July 1987
ORD-CLE, June 1989 (yes a DC-10 on about an hour flight). That was my reward for flying LAX-ORD on a 727-222 (!). There were less than 100 pax on a DC-10 that held 300 IIRC. Return was a 722 CLE-DEN, then another DC-10, DEN-LAX
LAX-HNL-LAX, July/August 1990

I think in the late 80s, UA used some 762s on that LAX-JFK (flight 6) in the winter and changed to DC-10 in the summer. By 1990, I flew a 762 on flight 6 in July , so I guess by then they had started to reduce the DC-10 on transcons.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Mon May 11, 2020 5:19 pm

Here, we have one of their DC-10-30 at LHR in July 1991. Was it a one off? Was it related to their arrival on the market? I don't know.

https://flic.kr/p/2dUY13f
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Mon May 11, 2020 6:34 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:

In the 80s United started PHL-SFO nonstop and for many years it was a DC10. Often PHL-SFO-HNL-LIH


While not wanting to get too far offtopic, the Feb 1985 Official Airline Guide indicates no SFO-PHL nonstops by anyone....even if UA may have had one stops on the route. I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it. But OAGs do show much of the rest of the decade had UA nonstops including with DC-10s.

During the 1970s (even during the oil crises) into the early 80s, nonstop SFO-PHL was covered not only by UA (DC-8s, DC-10s), but also by TWA (at times with L-1011s).


Yes, I think it was 88 or so when United started the morning DC10 nonstops PHL-SFO. In the early 90s, they added the evening nonstop as well


The DC-8's stayed on PHL-LAX and SFO almost until the end.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Mon May 11, 2020 8:21 pm

The photo of the United DC10 at Heathrow made me curious, as far as I knew United never used DC-10's on schedules to Heathrow, when they started ops in April 1991 it was mainly 747s 100, 200's and SP along with 767s and 727s for European flights. Looking at the LHR-LGW website it appears on the photo date 29 July 1991 2 DC-10s landed at Heathow, N1858U and N1852U both arrived from Berlin Tegal. I can only guess they operated some form of charter with a tech/refueling stop in London.

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Re: United DC-10's

Mon May 11, 2020 8:43 pm

amc737 wrote:
as far as I knew United never used DC-10's on schedules to Heathrow, when they started ops in April 1991 it was mainly 747s 100, 200's and SP along with 767s and 727s for European flights.


That's what I thought too, until I saw the picture.

Looking at the LHR-LGW website it appears on the photo date 29 July 1991 2 DC-10s landed at Heathow, N1858U and N1852U both arrived from Berlin Tegal. I can only guess they operated some form of charter with a tech/refueling stop in London.


Can it be in anyway related to military flights related to the Gulf War?

Another was photographed when parked at FRF back in 1985.

 
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Re: United DC-10's

Mon May 11, 2020 9:37 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
]

Can it be in anyway related to military flights related to the Gulf War?



Doubtful, assuming the 7/29/91 date given is correct. Saddam invaded Kuwait 4 days later, on August 2. The US/NATO military buildup started after that date.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Mon May 11, 2020 10:56 pm

mga707 wrote:
Doubtful, assuming the 7/29/91 date given is correct. Saddam invaded Kuwait 4 days later, on August 2. The US/NATO military buildup started after that date.


Saddam invaded Kuwait August 2 1990, that is almost a year prior to the picture.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Tue May 12, 2020 2:03 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
mga707 wrote:
Doubtful, assuming the 7/29/91 date given is correct. Saddam invaded Kuwait 4 days later, on August 2. The US/NATO military buildup started after that date.


Saddam invaded Kuwait August 2 1990, that is almost a year prior to the picture.


You're correct, my mistake on the year. Don't know why I was thinking '91.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Tue May 12, 2020 2:29 am

My Aunt was a flight attendant based in ORD in the late 90s and I flew my first flight with her as a child CLE-ORD-CLE. It was an early morning flight out, was nearly empty, and we were able to fly F. I remember the feeling of being pushed back into the seat on takeoff. That's when my fanaticism began...the memories.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Tue May 12, 2020 2:49 am

UA444 wrote:
I could be wrong, but I don’t ever remember UA sending the DC-10 TATL. If they did it must not have been long. They converted the 762s to ETOPS and “ER” spec and used those before the 763 showed up.


They did. In 1995 prior to UA getting the rights to fly ORD-LHR nonstop, UA 906/907 flew as a one-stop ORD-EWR-LHR and return.
IND ORD ATL MCO PIT EWR BUF CVG DEN RNO JFK DTW BOS BDL BWI IAD RDU CLT MYR CHS TPA CID MSP STL MSY DFW IAH AUS SLC LAS
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Tue May 12, 2020 2:25 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
amc737 wrote:
as far as I knew United never used DC-10's on schedules to Heathrow, when they started ops in April 1991 it was mainly 747s 100, 200's and SP along with 767s and 727s for European flights.


That's what I thought too, until I saw the picture.

Looking at the LHR-LGW website it appears on the photo date 29 July 1991 2 DC-10s landed at Heathow, N1858U and N1852U both arrived from Berlin Tegal. I can only guess they operated some form of charter with a tech/refueling stop in London.


Can it be in anyway related to military flights related to the Gulf War?

Another was photographed when parked at FRF back in 1985.



I think it's a press charter related to President George H.W. Bush who was traveling around Europe during July of 1991.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... ency_(1991)
Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Tue May 12, 2020 3:00 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:

In the 80s United started PHL-SFO nonstop and for many years it was a DC10. Often PHL-SFO-HNL-LIH


While not wanting to get too far offtopic, the Feb 1985 Official Airline Guide indicates no SFO-PHL nonstops by anyone....even if UA may have had one stops on the route. I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it. But OAGs do show much of the rest of the decade had UA nonstops including with DC-10s.

During the 1970s (even during the oil crises) into the early 80s, nonstop SFO-PHL was covered not only by UA (DC-8s, DC-10s), but also by TWA (at times with L-1011s).


Yes, I think it was 88 or so when United started the morning DC10 nonstops PHL-SFO. In the early 90s, they added the evening nonstop as well

while working at SFO as a line Maintenance supervisor I took from time to time a late night DC-10 from SFO-PHL or SFO-IAD-PHL which departed at 2210 and arrived at 0630 getting me into town at 0730 to my hotel. My first trip with my daughter was SFO-IAD departing at 2210 from SFO for her to see the Smithsonian Museum in Washington DC. My 3 go to routes were direct SFO- PHL,. SFO- IAD- PHL and SFO- LAX IAD- PHL (UA-98 on a 767-222) or I went SFO-ORD and connected into PHL on the morning Bank that left at 0530. most of the late night west coast departures used to arrive in Chicago for the first morning Departure bank to the east and South. with the merger? I have no Idea whether that bank still happens as they could do the same thing with IAH now.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Tue May 12, 2020 3:30 pm

[quote="dtw9"]United’s last DC-10-10 delivery, N1848U, was a -10CF for the civil reserve air fleet (CRAF)[/quote
3348 was a Western DC-10-10 slated for CRAF. I think we only opened the cargo door during heavy checks I think there were 2 more with cargo doors installed as well.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Tue May 12, 2020 3:46 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
amc737 wrote:
as far as I knew United never used DC-10's on schedules to Heathrow, when they started ops in April 1991 it was mainly 747s 100, 200's and SP along with 767s and 727s for European flights.


That's what I thought too, until I saw the picture.
Looking at the LHR-LGW website it appears on the photo date 29 July 1991 2 DC-10s landed at Heathow, N1858U and N1852U both arrived from Berlin Tegal. I can only guess they operated some form of charter with a tech/refueling stop in London.


Can it be in anyway related to military flights related to the Gulf War?

Another was photographed when parked at FRF back in 1985.


39 53 was a DC10-30 we operated to Europe during the "Desert Shield" operation. There were quite a few of us working those airplanes as they had to return to SFO on occasion to be serviced before flying MAC charters out of Travis, and McChord. If I'm correct? ORD was responsible for McGuire and Andrews . We had maintenance crews all over the place, I have no Idea how many flight and cabin Crews we had going in and out. I did know they were volunteers.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Tue May 12, 2020 3:48 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
mga707 wrote:
Doubtful, assuming the 7/29/91 date given is correct. Saddam invaded Kuwait 4 days later, on August 2. The US/NATO military buildup started after that date.


Saddam invaded Kuwait August 2 1990, that is almost a year prior to the picture.

I think operation Desert Shield was before the Gulf war. which was Desert Storm.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Tue May 12, 2020 5:00 pm

I flew one of these from AKL - SYD rtn....wasn't a bad ride for a short hop, they use to have the cheapest fares across the Tasman. From memory this flight came from HNL and was almost the same timing as the LAX - AKL flight that continued onto MEL on 744....think this was back when United was the friendly skies.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Tue May 12, 2020 9:24 pm

A bit more digging on the LHR-LGW site reveals N1852U arrived at Heathrow on 23 July 1991 from Bangor and N1856U from Philadelphia so 3 different DC-10's visited in July 1991. I could find no other record of United DC-10-30 visits, a DC-10-10 did visit in 1999 on its way for freight conversion in Italy for FedEx, this was a divert though.

American did use DC-10-30's to both Heathrow and Gatwick, in fact in spring 1992 a trio of DC-10-10s where used from Boston.

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Re: United DC-10's

Wed May 13, 2020 3:37 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Flyingsottsman wrote:
No UA never brought their DC-10s to Australia it was all 747s right from the time United got the Pan Am Pacific routes.




I believe the flight route was LAX-HNL-SYD


I want to say It Was SFO-HNL-AKL-SYD. Around the early 90’s the 744s started operating LAX-SYD and LAX-AKL non stop, 74Ls had done that in the 80’s as well, UA possibly saw the need to keep some HNL-South Pacific flying? Not sure how long the DC10 Service lasted? Maybe 1-2 years?
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Wed May 13, 2020 4:28 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Flyingsottsman wrote:
No UA never brought their DC-10s to Australia it was all 747s right from the time United got the Pan Am Pacific routes.





I want to say It Was SFO-HNL-AKL-SYD. Around the early 90’s the 744s started operating LAX-SYD and LAX-AKL non stop, 74Ls had done that in the 80’s as well, UA possibly saw the need to keep some HNL-South Pacific flying? Not sure how long the DC10 Service lasted? Maybe 1-2 years?


I can confirm the United DC10 flight I took HNL to AKL on the 5th June 1992 originated in SFO. I this service lasted about another 12-18 months. Finished about the same time United bought 744s replacing earlier 747s on the AKL LAX direct service. As I said I had flown AKL to LAX direct on the 11th April 1992 on a United 747 SP.
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Wed May 13, 2020 11:30 am

Ok, so it was SFO-HNL-AKL-SYD. Before that and the arrival of the 744s, didn't had flights between HNL and AKL/SYD?
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Wed May 13, 2020 1:06 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Ok, so it was SFO-HNL-AKL-SYD. Before that and the arrival of the 744s, didn't had flights between HNL and AKL/SYD?


I flew United HNL-AKL-SYD in January 1991, it was on a Boeing 747-100. Outbound I flew SYD-LAX on the 744 with UA. Around the US, I got the DC-10-30 on LAX-HNL and a DC-10-10 on LAX-IAD.
I do enjoy a spot of flying, especially when it's not in economy!
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Wed May 13, 2020 1:32 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
One can't forget that UA DC-10 diversion to DCA. Originally scheduled ORD-BWI, Baltimore had severe t-storms/low ceilings. Attempts to divert to IAD and ADW were aborted due again to poor weather; diminishing fuel reserves led the flight to land at DCA.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/keleivis/4271371847
Must had been a lot of people at DCA doing a double-take that day :spin: .


I was one of those people taking a double-take that day...was waiting out a delay on a CO DCA-CLE trip at the end of A Concourse and saw it coming down the runaway, totally surprised me. One of the gate agents for either CO or NW even made an announcement about what an unusual event this was."
 
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Re: United DC-10's

Wed May 13, 2020 1:46 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Ok, so it was SFO-HNL-AKL-SYD. Before that and the arrival of the 744s, didn't had flights between HNL and AKL/SYD?


Well we know it was a 747-122 as early as 1989 (at least) because flight 811, the incident where the cargo door peeled off in flight, was doing the LAX-HNL-AKL-SYD flight when it encountered the problem on climb out from HNL to AKL.

I suspect that flight was operating since the PA route acquisition
 
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tnair1974 wrote:
One can't forget that UA DC-10 diversion to DCA. Originally scheduled ORD-BWI, Baltimore had severe t-storms/low ceilings. Attempts to divert to IAD and ADW were aborted due again to poor weather; diminishing fuel reserves led the flight to land at DCA.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/keleivis/4271371847
Must had been a lot of people at DCA doing a double-take that day :spin: .


I was one of those people taking a double-take that day...was waiting out a delay on a CO DCA-CLE trip at the end of A Concourse and saw it coming down the runaway, totally surprised me. One of the gate agents for either CO or NW even made an announcement about what an unusual event this was."


Boy this brings back a memory! I worked in an office bldg. in Rosslyn nearly at the foot of Key Bridge and we had terrific open office space giving everyone great window views; I was fortunate enough to be in an "outer cube" so was close to the windows. There certainly were dark, stormy-looking clouds all around. Then, I just happened to look up/out at the right moment and my jaw nearly hit the floor as I saw a UA DC-10 coming down-river clearly on the River Approach to what was then runway 18 (now 19) at DCA! Went right by us of course as it made the customary right bank at that location (Key Bridge). I was flabbergasted.

IIRC it took forever to deplane the pax because none of UA's jetways at DCA could reach a DC-10 door, and needless to say they didn't have widebody-capable airstairs there either; I believe they had to drive a widebody airstair over from either IAD or BWI, and I believe baggage belts, etc. too. Then once all pax and bags were off, they fueled it with just enough (to limit the weight of course!) to ferry it to BWI later that night after the weather had cleared. For DCA, that had to have been like a Saturn V blasting out of there! This whole thing was such an event it even made the "Metro" section of the Wash. Post the next day!
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IIRC it took forever to deplane the pax because none of UA's jetways at DCA could reach a DC-10 door, and needless to say they didn't have widebody-capable airstairs there either; I believe they had to drive a widebody airstair over from either IAD or BWI, and I believe baggage belts, etc. too.


Based on the linked picture's comment:

"Years later a chance ecounter with a passenger on that flight told me there where no stair trucks tall enough to accomidate a DC-10 so everyone had to ride down on maintenance lift trucks. The aircraft was only on the ground a couple hours and had no problem flying out with no passengers or frieght."

https://www.flickr.com/photos/keleivis/4271371847
 
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Wed May 13, 2020 10:53 pm

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Among somewhat more unexpected UA DC-10 destinations, add BDL (actually, BDL had rather routine UA widebody service through the 1990s) and also MKE, PIT and ATL (early to mid 1970s). OMA, SMF and COS have already been mentioned.

IIRC, PIT had UA DC-10 service to ORD, PHL during the early to mid 1970s. Maybe even DC-10s doing short hops like PIT-CLE/DTW even if these flights may have largely been the likes of UA 732s and 721s/722s. Anyway, UA's takeover of Capital Airlines during the 1960s gave UA a large presence at PIT during the 70s.

Turns out I can't find UA having any PIT-PHL service during the 1970s (perhaps the 1960s?), let alone with DC-10s. Other airlines such as TW and AL already flew the route during the 70s.

Anyway, UA DC-10 (and 747) service at PIT seems limited to the 1970s. TWA also used L-1011s at PIT.
 
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SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Ok, so it was SFO-HNL-AKL-SYD. Before that and the arrival of the 744s, didn't had flights between HNL and AKL/SYD?


UA flew AKL-SYD and I think AKL-MEL in those days, MEL at some point was an extension of SYD in the PA days atleast. Everything stopped in HNL back then well most things, NZ had 742s AKL-LAX non stop from 1984 and QF had AKL-LAX from 1988 on a 743, UA only had a few 742s so mainly used the 741s to AKL/SYD/MEL, though the 74L did non stop LAX-AKL at times and LAX-SYD in the 1980s atleast some days of the week. CO stopped in HNL aswell with 741/742/D10.
 
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Thu May 14, 2020 1:03 pm

I flew on a UA DC-10 from SFO to ORD in 1981.
 
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Thu May 14, 2020 3:26 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
IIRC it took forever to deplane the pax because none of UA's jetways at DCA could reach a DC-10 door, and needless to say they didn't have widebody-capable airstairs there either; I believe they had to drive a widebody airstair over from either IAD or BWI, and I believe baggage belts, etc. too.


Based on the linked picture's comment:

"Years later a chance ecounter with a passenger on that flight told me there where no stair trucks tall enough to accomidate a DC-10 so everyone had to ride down on maintenance lift trucks. The aircraft was only on the ground a couple hours and had no problem flying out with no passengers or frieght."

https://www.flickr.com/photos/keleivis/4271371847


Ah...I didn't see the caption/comment, and didn't recall the story. Looking at this, I can't believe that was in Apr. of 1998! Jeez, time flies! That must have been "fun" for the pax, deplaning on a lift! LOL
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Re: United DC-10's

Fri May 15, 2020 5:18 am

For a while, replaced with the 767 when it arrived. Remember the United commercials touting their new 767 widebody.

On a side note, we may see the return of the domestic widebody as airlines consolidate some flights.
 
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Fri May 15, 2020 8:39 am

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UA flew AKL-SYD and I think AKL-MEL in those days, MEL at some point was an extension of SYD in the PA days atleast. Everything stopped in HNL back then well most things, NZ had 742s AKL-LAX non stop from 1984 and QF had AKL-LAX from 1988 on a 743,


Yes I remember that most flights had to stop at HNL

UA only had a few 742s so mainly used the 741s to AKL/SYD/MEL, though the 74L did non stop LAX-AKL at times and LAX-SYD in the 1980s atleast some days of the week. CO stopped in HNL aswell with 741/742/D10.


Between the springs of 1987 and 1991, UA only had their two newly-delivered 742s that were used to NRT. So, before the arrival of the 744s, 74Ls were flying non-stop and 741s were covering the rest of the needs. Then it changed. 744s did the non-stop job while DC-10s covered the rest.
 
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Fri May 15, 2020 8:44 am

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Looking at this, I can't believe that was in Apr. of 1998! Jeez, time flies!


Yes time flies, but it doesn't surprise me since I remember UA retired their DC-10-10s around 20 years ago.
 
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Fri May 15, 2020 2:55 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Looking at this, I can't believe that was in Apr. of 1998! Jeez, time flies!


Yes time flies, but it doesn't surprise me since I remember UA retired their DC-10-10s around 20 years ago.


Yeah, that's incredible too...9/11 will be 19yrs. ago this Sept., and that was the final blow to UA's DC-10 fleet IIRC. Hell, to most pax DC-10's for that matter...AA too, though I think NW's lasted longer? I can't remember.
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Fri May 15, 2020 4:22 pm

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and that was the final blow to UA's DC-10 fleet IIRC. Hell, to most pax DC-10's for that matter...AA too, though I think NW's lasted longer? I can't remember.


I believe 9/11 was a blow to CO's DC-10s, perhaps NW's series 40s, however not to UA:

https://www.flightglobal.com/phase-out- ... 84.article

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Fri May 29, 2020 9:24 pm

At a time when United's rainbow DC-10s were a daily thing at LAX... https://youtu.be/JlzbHQiFOag

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