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American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 12:28 pm

The scanned photo on the home page got me thinking about the American Airlines MD11 fleet. I remember seeing a number of them at JFK operating AA's mid-1990's services to LHR (mixed in with 767-300ERs). The plane did not live up to its range potential and was phased out pretty quickly at AA. Does anyone have the definitive list of AA's MD11 routes that were flown with the plane?

A few I recall were: SEA-NRT, DFW-NRT, JFK-LHR (up to 3 of the then 6 per day). Any others?
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 12:35 pm

They flew a lot of different routes as they shifted around as 777 came in before they were all retired. In addition to the ones you mentioned I know they flew MIA-EZE, DFW-LGW (couldn’t use LHR on that route iirc), ORD-LHR/NRT, SJC-NRT, DFW-KIX and I’m pretty sure some GRU and SCL routes along with some domestic routes between hubs.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 12:59 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
The plane did not live up to its range potential and was phased out pretty quickly at AA.


I don't recall AA's expected range for MD-11s, but had AA planned any routes longer than DL's ATL-NRT run at 6,850sm?
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:08 pm

I flew LHR - MIA around 1996. I think the MD 11 range issues were resolved by mid 1990's.
Was AA upto 6 x daily JFK - LHR in the 90's?
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:11 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
The plane did not live up to its range potential and was phased out pretty quickly at AA.


I don't recall AA's expected range for MD-11s, but had AA planned any routes longer than DL's ATL-NRT run at 6,850sm?

I’m not sure, but initial MD-11s would occasionally struggle on DFW-NRT and would require fuel stops. That was a major source of AA’s very early and vocal frustration with the aircraft.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:13 pm

They also leased two to UsAfrica Airways in 1994 till early winter 1995 before they seized them when they went belly up. IAD-JNB & CPT with a fuel stop in Cape Verde SAL
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:15 pm

Manchester - Chicago O’Hare was the FIrst scheduled MD11 route into Europe by American in 1992 way before Heathrow
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:20 pm

Also flew them DFW-MIA mostly for aircraft routing...the aircraft would go on to S. America. Can't recall where.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:24 pm

SueD wrote:
Manchester - Chicago O’Hare was the FIrst scheduled MD11 route into Europe by American in 1992 way before Heathrow

It’s not exactly clear to me if that was scheduled or an aircraft substitution.
 
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Wed May 13, 2020 1:25 pm

SueD wrote:
Manchester - Chicago O’Hare was the FIrst scheduled MD11 route into Europe by American in 1992 way before Heathrow


Does anyone know why they spelled their name on the fuselage of the MD11 as 'A m e r i c a n' compared to their other planes that simply had 'American' ?

MD11

DC10
Every country has an airline. The world has Pan Am.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:27 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:

A few I recall were: SEA-NRT, DFW-NRT, JFK-LHR (up to 3 of the then 6 per day). Any others?


AA also had daily SJC-NRT with MD11.
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:29 pm

Polot wrote:
They flew a lot of different routes as they shifted around as 777 came in before they were all retired. In addition to the ones you mentioned I know they flew MIA-EZE, DFW-LGW (couldn’t use LHR on that route iirc), ORD-LHR/NRT, SJC-NRT, DFW-KIX and I’m pretty sure some GRU and SCL routes along with some domestic routes between hubs.


Indeed GRU:

DFW service. Later replaced by those boring 763.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:33 pm

Polot wrote:
SueD wrote:
Manchester - Chicago O’Hare was the FIrst scheduled MD11 route into Europe by American in 1992 way before Heathrow

It’s not exactly clear to me if that was scheduled or an aircraft substitution.


It was scheduled and run with the MD11 for several years - Manchester also saw Delta MD11s

Manchester - Chicago used to be one of American Airlines most profitable long haul routes back then.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:33 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
The plane did not live up to its range potential and was phased out pretty quickly at AA.


I don't recall AA's expected range for MD-11s, but had AA planned any routes longer than DL's ATL-NRT run at 6,850sm?


AA ordered the MD11 to replace their small number of 747SP. When the MD11 first came out, it did struggle to fulfill the range expectation, not just for AA, but for Delta too. It eventually improved with the PIP.

Note that AA got some of the earliest MD11s.
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:41 pm

flyjay123 wrote:
I flew LHR - MIA around 1996. I think the MD 11 range issues were resolved by mid 1990's.
Was AA upto 6 x daily JFK - LHR in the 90's?


Yes, AA flew 2 x daily to LHR in the daylight hours (8:30am and 9:30am departures) and 4 x in the evening. This was all before BA/AA deepened. AA also had 1 x daily EWR-LHR on the 767-300ER, then the A300-600 before it was axed.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:45 pm

raylee67 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
The plane did not live up to its range potential and was phased out pretty quickly at AA.


I don't recall AA's expected range for MD-11s, but had AA planned any routes longer than DL's ATL-NRT run at 6,850sm?


AA ordered the MD11 to replace their small number of 747SP. When the MD11 first came out, it did struggle to fulfill the range expectation, not just for AA, but for Delta too. It eventually improved with the PIP.

Note that AA got some of the earliest MD11s.


The MD11 was not a replacement for the 747-SP at all. AA only had a very small number of 747-SPs in total (between 2 and 4), and operated them on DFW-NRT in the mid to late 1980s and then JFK-LHR in 1991. The MD11 was ordered for range and intercontinental expansion where the 763/762 was not enough plane and the DC10 did not have the range either. In 1996, AA ordered the 772 and the MD11 as others have pointed out, was quickly phased out,.
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:47 pm

raylee67 wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:

A few I recall were: SEA-NRT, DFW-NRT, JFK-LHR (up to 3 of the then 6 per day). Any others?


AA also had daily SJC-NRT with MD11.


And DFW-SJC...
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:52 pm

910A wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:

A few I recall were: SEA-NRT, DFW-NRT, JFK-LHR (up to 3 of the then 6 per day). Any others?


AA also had daily SJC-NRT with MD11.


And DFW-SJC...


I flew this one, assumed it continued on to NRT. Also flew one DFW-ORD, again assuming it went to Europe.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 1:54 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

I don't recall AA's expected range for MD-11s, but had AA planned any routes longer than DL's ATL-NRT run at 6,850sm?


AA ordered the MD11 to replace their small number of 747SP. When the MD11 first came out, it did struggle to fulfill the range expectation, not just for AA, but for Delta too. It eventually improved with the PIP.

Note that AA got some of the earliest MD11s.


The MD11 was not a replacement for the 747-SP at all. AA only had a very small number of 747-SPs in total (between 2 and 4), and operated them on DFW-NRT and then JFK-LHR in 1991. The MD11 was ordered for range and intercontinental expansion where the 763/762 was not enough plane and the DC10 did not have the range either. In 1996, AA ordered the 772 and the MD11 as others have pointed out, was quickly phased out,.

The MD-11 was very much ordered to be a replacement for the 747SP. Obviously AA ordered a lot more MD-11s for expansion but one of the intended roles of the MD-11 fleet was to replace the small oddball 747SP fleet. Remember the MD-11 had similar seat count.

That is why AA was so frustrated that the early planes could not reliably fly DFW-NRT nonstop. AA was looking for a replacement (they were considering MD-11 vs 744 iirc) that could fly that route.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 2:54 pm

They were actually on BOS-SJC for awhile
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Wed May 13, 2020 11:37 pm

They flew DFW-FRA in 1996/1997
I still miss Trans World Airlines and the L-1011
 
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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Thu May 14, 2020 2:48 am

raylee67 wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:

A few I recall were: SEA-NRT, DFW-NRT, JFK-LHR (up to 3 of the then 6 per day). Any others?


AA also had daily SJC-NRT with MD11.


Right, and before the SJC runway extension allowing fully-fueled flights to depart the flight operated SJC-OAK-NRT to tank up on Jet A for the transpac flight. Of course the return was nonstop NRT-SJC.
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Thu May 14, 2020 2:52 am

Cointrin330 wrote:

AA only had a very small number of 747-SPs in total (between 2 and 4), and operated them on DFW-NRT in the mid to late 1980s and then JFK-LHR in 1991.


Yeah, they didn't have 'between 2 and 4' they had exactly two. N601AA and N602AA. Both ex-TWA 747SP-31s previously registered N57202 and N57203 respectively.

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Re: American Airlines MD11 Routes

Thu May 14, 2020 11:25 am

aeromoe wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:

AA only had a very small number of 747-SPs in total (between 2 and 4), and operated them on DFW-NRT in the mid to late 1980s and then JFK-LHR in 1991.


Yeah, they didn't have 'between 2 and 4' they had exactly two. N601AA and N602AA. Both ex-TWA 747SP-31s previously registered N57202 and N57203 respectively.

Moe


Yes, I thought so as well, and knew they were ex-TWA frames, which were used by TW to operate short lived services to Kuwait and Mumbai, mainly (and acquired originally for TPAC routes that never materialized). The 747SP moved off DFW-NRT to JFK-LHR in July 1991 as the first MD11 I think by then were on property and operating DFW-NRT.
 
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They also leased two to UsAfrica Airways in 1994 till early winter 1995 before they seized them when they went belly up. IAD-JNB & CPT with a fuel stop in Cape Verde SAL
 
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