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Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:07 am

When was the last Western built airliner, for which no photographic record exists of the airframe? I don’t mean as a type, I mean as a particular airframe. What year can we get back to where an aircraft was built and no public photo exists?
 
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:05 am

I would imagine a 737-200 or 300 from 1985/6. No firm link, or pic (lol)I would suggest a search of their deliveries in that time frame and cross search looking for a pic. I myself have looked for as many -300 pics as I can, and they are rare.
 
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:23 am

DC8 N8013U is a rarity. I have only seen one picture.
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:57 am

HS-TIF, a TG A310-300 that was initially delivered to Wardair. then to TG, then to the Canadian Air Force.
No pictures of it exist.
 
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:38 am

Braniff's 2nd 747-100, painted Green, often referred to as 'The Big Pickle'. It was rumored to have painted and ready for delivery to join up with 'The Great Pumpkin', only for Braniff to decline to take delivery of the aircraft. To date, no photographic evidence has yet to surface. There are models of this variant floating around on eBay as well as artwork, but no photos of the real thing. It was rumored to have been sold to Wardair Canada.
 
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:33 am

Didn't the original Ozark Airlines (OZ) order a Boeing 727-200, and didn't Boeing paint the plane in Ozark's "Three Swallows" livery, only to have Ozark cancel the Boeing order? I think that there may have been a "photoshopped" pic of a 727 on the Ozark history website, but I have not been able to access that site for some time. But, did an Ozark 727 actually exist?
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:23 am

In Mexico, Aeromonterrey Fokker 100 was being transfered from Mexicana. It was painted outside MX MRO but no picture of it, later on, it went back to the paint shop and adopted MX scheme again.

Few pictures of Aeromar's Arava's. I've only seen two very bad ones.

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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:33 am

I feel like the OP is asking about a specific airframe which would be paint scheme independent.

I think the only possible ones are examples that crashed on or shortly after the first flight, going back quite a while.
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:44 am

SkyVoice wrote:
Didn't the original Ozark Airlines (OZ) order a Boeing 727-200, and didn't Boeing paint the plane in Ozark's "Three Swallows" livery, only to have Ozark cancel the Boeing order? I think that there may have been a "photoshopped" pic of a 727 on the Ozark history website, but I have not been able to access that site for some time. But, did an Ozark 727 actually exist?

Indeed it did. Thread on it here: viewtopic.php?t=1394333.
 
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:30 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
I feel like the OP is asking about a specific airframe which would be paint scheme independent.

I think the only possible ones are examples that crashed on or shortly after the first flight, going back quite a while.

No these are good examples.
Specifically it was searching for pics of BOAC’s G-AWNM in her original colours that got me thinking. There are actual expensive models of this and yet no photographic record before she got the BOAC hybrid with Negus tites.
 
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:37 am

TheEuphorian wrote:
HS-TIF, a TG A310-300 that was initially delivered to Wardair. then to TG, then to the Canadian Air Force.
No pictures of it exist.


Seems to be a few: https://flyteam.jp/photo/2602344

One of it I saw in plain white but the rego was blurry.
 
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:59 am

SkyVoice wrote:
Didn't the original Ozark Airlines (OZ) order a Boeing 727-200, and didn't Boeing paint the plane in Ozark's "Three Swallows" livery, only to have Ozark cancel the Boeing order? I think that there may have been a "photoshopped" pic of a 727 on the Ozark history website, but I have not been able to access that site for some time. But, did an Ozark 727 actually exist?



Yes but there are plenty of pictures of those 2 aircraft in the Pan Am livery.
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:00 pm

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Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:05 pm

Braniff Boeing 707-227 N7071
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:25 pm

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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:39 pm

AirUK’s BAe146-200QC G-BTIA. I saw this but it never entered service!
 
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:08 pm

Can't look it up at the moment but I feel like there was a Chicago Express (ATA Connection) J31 I had trouble finding a picture of once upon a time.
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:08 pm

Plenty of examples with small turboprops, or even older jets, delivered to Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia and other places with little aviation photography in years past which ended up either crashing or being scrapped never having left that seldom-photographed region. Up until the early 2000s, that was often the case honestly with many Do-228s, Casa 212s, some Fokker 28s, EMB-110s, ect. Those aircraft that started life elsewhere or eventually were exported to other regions usually got shot eventually in the colors of other operators.
 
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:59 pm

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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:04 pm

klm617 wrote:
SkyVoice wrote:
Didn't the original Ozark Airlines (OZ) order a Boeing 727-200, and didn't Boeing paint the plane in Ozark's "Three Swallows" livery, only to have Ozark cancel the Boeing order? I think that there may have been a "photoshopped" pic of a 727 on the Ozark history website, but I have not been able to access that site for some time. But, did an Ozark 727 actually exist?



Yes but there are plenty of pictures of those 2 aircraft in the Pan Am livery.


I have a picture of N362PA, painted in the last Ozark livery. I got it from a rival airline picture website :duck:
 
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:34 pm

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Braniff's 2nd 747-100, painted Green, often referred to as 'The Big Pickle'. It was rumored to have painted and ready for delivery to join up with 'The Great Pumpkin', only for Braniff to decline to take delivery of the aircraft. To date, no photographic evidence has yet to surface. There are models of this variant floating around on eBay as well as artwork, but no photos of the real thing.
It was rumored to have been sold to Wardair Canada.


This was B747-100 s/n 20208, line number 123. Braniff cancelled the order.
Boeing sold it to Universal Airlines, and it was allocated their 'D1' customer code: B747-1D1. Universal did not take delivery.
It was sold to Wardair. It kept the 'D1' code rather than picking up the Wardair '11' code. It was delivered as CF-DJC.
There are pictures taken in the early 70s at the Braniff head office of a large model of the green 747. I've never seen a picture of the real green 747. My guess is that if 747 l/n 123 was painted in the Braniff green colours, a picture or two would exist. A big green 747 is hard to hide.
There are pictures of at least one Braniff 727 at Boeing painted in colours that the airline changed its mind about. N7282 was painted brown, but repainted turquoise before delivery.
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:53 pm

bravotango75 wrote:
Braniff's 2nd 747-100...It was rumored to have been sold to Wardair Canada.


This is not a rumour...it is a much-published fact. By much-published I mean in the many volumes of Airliner Production List (and various similar publications) produced over the years.

It is also verifiable on planespotters dot net, among other similar websites. The MSN is 20203, it was to be registered as N602BN with BN but initially taken up by Wardair as CF-DJC.
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:59 pm

JFKCMILAXFLL wrote:
klm617 wrote:
SkyVoice wrote:
Didn't the original Ozark Airlines (OZ) order a Boeing 727-200, and didn't Boeing paint the plane in Ozark's "Three Swallows" livery, only to have Ozark cancel the Boeing order? I think that there may have been a "photoshopped" pic of a 727 on the Ozark history website, but I have not been able to access that site for some time. But, did an Ozark 727 actually exist?



Yes but there are plenty of pictures of those 2 aircraft in the Pan Am livery.


I have a picture of N362PA, painted in the last Ozark livery. I got it from a rival airline picture website :duck:



Yes and this thread is about "Non photographed airliners" not airliners that were painted but not delivered to the airline. :duck:
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:07 pm

N844AA...
 
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:11 pm

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N844AA...


So no photos exist of N844AA? Check again: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=N844AA&FORM=HDRSC2
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:11 pm

I think every plane has been photographed at some point (except some soviet planes maybe). But, not all photos are uploaded to the internet.
 
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:12 pm

I think every plane has been photographed at some point (except some soviet planes maybe). But, not all photos are uploaded to the internet.
 
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:14 pm

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N844AA...


So no photos exist of N844AA? Check again: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=N844AA&FORM=HDRSC2

You didn’t get what I was implying
 
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:57 pm

UA444 wrote:
aeromoe wrote:
UA444 wrote:
N844AA...


So no photos exist of N844AA? Check again: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=N844AA&FORM=HDRSC2

You didn’t get what I was implying


So with a registration and an ellipsis we're supposed to be able to surmise what that means. My ex-wife always accused me of not being able to read her mind, too. :duck:
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:22 pm

Hapag Lloyd A300s D-AHLA, D-AHLK and D-AHLZ aren't photographed in their livery. N364FE, FX MD-10 doesn't have any pics in between the freight conversion and it's write-off crash.
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:25 pm

aeromoe wrote:
UA444 wrote:
aeromoe wrote:

So no photos exist of N844AA? Check again: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=N844AA&FORM=HDRSC2

You didn’t get what I was implying


So with a registration and an ellipsis we're supposed to be able to surmise what that means. My ex-wife always accused me of not being able to read her mind, too. :duck:

He was making a joke about what happened to the ac
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:04 am

KFTG wrote:
SkyVoice wrote:
Didn't the original Ozark Airlines (OZ) order a Boeing 727-200, and didn't Boeing paint the plane in Ozark's "Three Swallows" livery, only to have Ozark cancel the Boeing order? I think that there may have been a "photoshopped" pic of a 727 on the Ozark history website, but I have not been able to access that site for some time. But, did an Ozark 727 actually exist?

Indeed it did. Thread on it here: viewtopic.php?t=1394333.


There were 2 built and at least one was painted-up. They both ended up with Pan Am in 1979 and served with them until their bankruptcy and close down in 1991. They were bought by FedEx and converted into freighters. They were WFU'ed in 2013.

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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:24 pm

Continental placed an order for several ( five ?) 767-324 aircraft

They were built but never delivered to Cal and went to other carriers


Are there any pictures of these aircraft in Continental colors ?
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:37 pm

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Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:11 am

Max Q wrote:
Continental placed an order for several ( five ?) 767-324 aircraft

They were built but never delivered to Cal and went to other carriers


Are there any pictures of these aircraft in Continental colors ?


I have seen a picture of HL7505 on the Everett flightline in full Asiana colors. On the same line is EI-CME in full Alitalia colors with the -324 door Configuration. That frame was NTU by CO and AZ and went to Vietnam airlines.
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:03 am

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Braniff Boeing 707-227 N7071


There are photos of N7071 pre-crash since it was Braniff’s first 707.

I have only seen one picture of CV-880 N8804E before the pilot training crash.
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Re: Non photographed airliners?

Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:15 am

Hi folks. I was just wondering if i could ask a question? I've just bought a model of a Braniff Boeing 747-100 in the blue livery. I was just wondering if any were actually painted in that colour as trying to find an image is like searching for a needle in a haystack. Many thanks. Richard
 
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:46 am

Never heard of a blue BN 747 before.
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.

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