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Why did the Delta 727-100 not last long?

Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:47 pm

Some may have not hears that DL, when merged with Northeast, had 721's from 1972-1977? But why didn't they last long? Is it because they had other aircraft like the DC-9, DC-8, 732's, and 722's?
 
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Re: Why did the Delta 727-100 not last long?

Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:32 pm

They’re were already too inefficient compared to the -200s. Money is always the answer.
 
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Re: Why did the Delta 727-100 not last long?

Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:51 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
Some may have not hears that DL, when merged with Northeast, had 721's from 1972-1977? But why didn't they last long? Is it because they had other aircraft like the DC-9, DC-8, 732's, and 722's?


They never overlapped with the 732s, which came to DL in the early 80s. Delta only flew one type of the Model -100, the Boeing 727-95 acquired from Northeast Airlines( "95" was Northeast's customer number). It first flew for Northeast in December 1965 with 96 seats, which Delta modified to 97 seats after the 1972 merger. They were out of the fleet by 1977 largely because with most airplane models, CASM is better with the stretch version.
 
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Re: Why did the Delta 727-100 not last long?

Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:41 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
Some may have not hears that DL, when merged with Northeast, had 721's from 1972-1977? But why didn't they last long? Is it because they had other aircraft like the DC-9, DC-8, 732's, and 722's?


Here is a little history of the Boeing 727 (all variants) that served with Delta Airlines that you might find interesting:

http://www.deltamuseum.org/exhibits/del ... Boeing-727

As for retirement of the ex-NE 727-95's in 1977, this was in keeping with the industry norms of the time where 10-year old 1st and 2nd Generation jets were considered "geriatric". Most major airlines were retiring their 727-100's by the end of the 1970's in favor of newer, bigger, better-performing B722-Advanced models. However, some of the ex-NE/DL 727-95's did serve on for a few years with Piedmont and American.
 
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Re: Why did the Delta 727-100 not last long

Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:19 am

FLALEFTY wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
Some may have not hears that DL, when merged with Northeast, had 721's from 1972-1977? But why didn't they last long? Is it because they had other aircraft like the DC-9, DC-8, 732's, and 722's?


Here is a little history of the Boeing 727 (all variants) that served with Delta Airlines that you might find interesting:

http://www.deltamuseum.org/exhibits/del ... Boeing-727

As for retirement of the ex-NE 727-95's in 1977, this was in keeping with the industry norms of the time where 10-year old 1st and 2nd Generation jets were considered "geriatric". Most major airlines were retiring their 727-100's by the end of the 1970's in favor of newer, bigger, better-performing B722-Advanced models. However, some of the ex-NE/DL 727-95's did serve on for a few years with Piedmont and American.


None of the NE/DL -95s went to AA.

AA acquired two 727-95s which were laid down at Boeing for Northeast as -95s but not taken up. They were acquired by AA directly from Boeing in 1967, along with three -35s that were originally intended for National. These aircraft retained their original Boeing customer codes. AA’s other non-standard 727-100 was the -1A7C inherited in the TCA merger. This was the only 727 in the AA fleet with a main deck cargo door.

One of AA’s -95s met its end in the tragic 1976 crash of AA 625 in STT.

Except for one of the -35s, all the remaining -95s, -35s and the -1A7C were among the first 727-100s to leave the fleet.
 
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Re: Why did the Delta 727-100 not last long?

Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:30 pm

Great topic. The Delta livery on the 727-100 looks great. What made the 727-200 Advanced so advanced? Was it capacity increase or thrust?

Thoughts welcome.
 
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Re: Why did the Delta 727-100 not last long?

Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:28 am

Pre 1982, DL was not known for keeping jets for a long time. Early L-1011s traded to Boeing and DC-9s to Southern and Ozark are all examples of jets disposed of before the end of their useful lives. Also, DL was known for consistent cockpits at that time. The current hodgepodge of 757 cockpits would have never been seen at the old DL.
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Re: Why did the Delta 727-100 not last long?

Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:34 am

seat1a wrote:
What made the 727-200 Advanced so advanced? Was it capacity increase or thrust?



From Wikipedia:

727-200 Advanced

The Advanced version of the 727-200 was introduced in 1970.[39] More powerful engines, fuel capacity and MTOW (185,800 to 210,000 lb or 84.4 to 95.3 t) increased the range from 1,930 to 2,550 nmi (3,570 to 4,720 km) or by 32%.[40] After the first delivery in mid-1972, Boeing eventually raised production to more than a hundred per year to meet demand by the late 1970s. Of the passenger model of the 727-200 Advanced, a total of 935 were delivered, after which it had to give way to a new generation of aircraft.
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