Hello,
What was the NZ DC 10-30 configuration when Y class was 8 abreast ?
What the SR DC 10-30 configuration when Y class was 8 Abreast ?
thank you for a response
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How long ago were those carriers 8x? I've never seen any DC-10 in other than 2x5x2, going back to 1982.
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Pottok wrote:What the SR DC 10-30 configuration when Y class was 8 Abreast ?
F22 Y207 in 1983.
Mid cabin Rows 8 to 12, 14 to 19, AB CD_FG HJ;
aft cabin
21 to 32 AB CD_FG HJ,
33 to 35 AB CDFG HJ,
36 AB CDF HJ.
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MIflyer12 wrote:How long ago were those carriers 8x? I've never seen any DC-10 in other than 2x5x2, going back to 1982.
Wrong. Swissair resisted going to a three-class service and opted to maintain a more comfortable Economy section long after other airlines introduced Business Class.
Swissair’s DC-10s retained 8-abreast in Economy (2-4-2) until they were retrofitted with Business Class in 1984. The 747s retained 9-abreast in Economy until retrofitted with Business Class in 1984. Only the -357s went to 10-abreast. The -257s had left the fleet just prior to the introduction of Business Class and the move to 10-abreast in Economy.
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millionsofmiles wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:How long ago were those carriers 8x? I've never seen any DC-10 in other than 2x5x2, going back to 1982.
Wrong. Swissair resisted going to a three-class service and opted to maintain a more comfortable Economy section long after other airlines introduced Business Class.
Swissair’s DC-10s retained 8-abreast in Economy (2-4-2) until they were retrofitted with Business Class in 1984. The 747s retained 9-abreast in Economy until retrofitted with Business Class in 1984. Only the -357s went to 10-abreast. The -257s had left the fleet just prior to the introduction of Business Class and the move to 10-abreast in Economy.
I wrote 'I've never seen.' I didn't say 8x never existed. I was not flying Swissair DC-10s in the 80s.
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MIflyer12 wrote:How long ago were those carriers 8x? I've never seen any DC-10 in other than 2x5x2, going back to 1982.
In McDD diagrams from the early -70’s I’ve only seen the 2-4-2 config.
Not sure when the change to 2-5-2 happened but by the -80’s all I saw was 2-5-2 on DC-10’s in US, with one exception. World Airways DC-10’s were 3-4-3!
In the late -90’s I saw a 3-4-2 configuration on a Swissair MD-11 (same cabin width as DC-10).
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I was on a AOM French Airlines DC10 30 with 10 abreast with a seat pitch that was cruel. I've yet to be as miserable as I was on the round trip LAX -> PPT -> LAX.
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Swissair seat map here:
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ ... -238883049
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ ... -238883049
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seat38a wrote:I was on a AOM French Airlines DC10 30 with 10 abreast with a seat pitch that was cruel. I've yet to be as miserable as I was on the round trip LAX -> PPT -> LAX.
I also flew 10-across on the D10 with Belgian outfit SkyJet, However the pitch was not that terrible, so it didn't feel any worse than the L10 in 10-abreast, and certainly better than the 767 @ 8-abreast. Still preferable to a NB on long-haul. the high ceilings, big windows and airy cabin does make a difference to me.
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millionsofmiles wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:How long ago were those carriers 8x? I've never seen any DC-10 in other than 2x5x2, going back to 1982.
Wrong. Swissair resisted going to a three-class service and opted to maintain a more comfortable Economy section long after other airlines introduced Business Class.
Swissair’s DC-10s retained 8-abreast in Economy (2-4-2) until they were retrofitted with Business Class in 1984. The 747s retained 9-abreast in Economy until retrofitted with Business Class in 1984. Only the -357s went to 10-abreast. The -257s had left the fleet just prior to the introduction of Business Class and the move to 10-abreast in Economy.
Swissair cabins were positively S P A C I O U S up till the very end, with plush, thick, comfortable armchairs, and F class offered even on short haul. I remember even their Fokker 100 offered three classes of service. Fantastic stuff.
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Here's a fairly decent selection of old seating charts:
http://departedflights.com/seatingguide1.html
http://departedflights.com/seatingguide1.html
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I also flew on a Sun Country DC-10 that was brutal I believe it was 3-4-3. I remember how odd it was to see that configuration on a DC-10 because on my many previous DC-10 flights I never seen that tight a seating.
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klm617 wrote:I also flew on a Sun Country DC-10 that was brutal I believe it was 3-4-3. I remember how odd it was to see that configuration on a DC-10 because on my many previous DC-10 flights I never seen that tight a seating.
That was the configuration usually used by charter airlines, up to 380 seats in Y. Some scheduled airlines also used the 3-4-3 in Y, i.e. Garuda.
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Many European charter airlines configured DC10's with upto 380 seats 3-4-3. Even Laker skytrain queezed in 345 passengers on their scheduled service across the pond.
I believe Finnair also had 3-4-3 on their MD11.
I believe Finnair also had 3-4-3 on their MD11.
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Icelandair for the short time they flew a DC-10 they also had 3-4-3 seating.
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n9801f wrote:World Airways DC-10’s were 3-4-3!
So were Omni's...if it wasn't for the fact I was returning home on one from a 6 month deployment to the Middle East, I would have been purely miserable for that 18 hours.
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Are we sure NZ DC-10's were ever 8 across?
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did i read also that DC10 had underfloor galley like the L1011 Tristar?
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eta unknown wrote:I am pretty certain at least the initial ones were delivered as 2-4-2... how long that lasted is another matter. They definitely finished as 2-5-2Are we sure NZ DC-10's were ever 8 across?
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tonyflyboi wrote:did i read also that DC10 had underfloor galley like the L1011 Tristar?
Yes. My aunt was a UA F/A in the late 90s and she definitely worked down there.
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tonyflyboi wrote:did i read also that DC10 had underfloor galley like the L1011 Tristar?
Most of the DC-10-10s had it, except those delivered to CO, along with many DC-10-30s/-30CFs, i.e. Laker, National, Balair, ONA, TIA, WO, MP, Air Siam
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n9801f wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:How long ago were those carriers 8x? I've never seen any DC-10 in other than 2x5x2, going back to 1982.
In McDD diagrams from the early -70’s I’ve only seen the 2-4-2 config.
Not sure when the change to 2-5-2 happened but by the -80’s all I saw was 2-5-2 on DC-10’s in US, with one exception. World Airways DC-10’s were 3-4-3!
In the late -90’s I saw a 3-4-2 configuration on a Swissair MD-11 (same cabin width as DC-10).
It started with AA in 1978 with deregulation. It was matched almost immediately on all US airlines that flew the DC10 and L10. Here is a pic from 1976 of AA DC10 with 2x4x2
https://www.airliners.net/photo/America ... 0-10/14494
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Ziyulu wrote:What is the cabin width of DC-10 vs 777?
Comparable. 5.87m/19'3" for the 777 & 5.69m/18'8" for the DC10/MD11. The L1011 is also very similar at 5.77m/18'11".
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