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Delta’s former service to Nairobi

Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:13 pm

Ok, if you were old enough to remember, DL announced in 2008-ish times that they'd start flights to Luanda and Nairobi, as well as Cape Town. All 3 were eventually cancelled or pulled, but as you may know, Delta added Cape Town again. Luanda, I'd understand, because it is kinda close to South Africa, Ghana, and Nigeria, which Delta already serves. But KENYA? KenyaAirways is a skyteam airline, so not like the route from ATL- Nairobi won't make money or not have coverage from partners. Kenya Airways doesn't seem to want to fly to ATL just yet............. lets see
 
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Re: WHAT IS WITH DL AND NAIROBI????????

Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:26 pm

Aeroflot is a SkyTeam partner, yet Delta doesn’t serve Moscow and Aeroflot doesn’t serve Atlanta.

China Airlines is a SkyTeam partner, yet Delta doesn’t serve Taipei and CI doesn’t serve Atlanta.

Saudia is a SkyTeam partner, yet Delta doesn’t serve Jeddah and Saudia doesn’t serve Atlanta

Arguably, you could say the same for when China Southern was in SkyTeam.

Just because a route has partner feed on both ends doesn’t guarantee profitability.
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Re: WHAT IS WITH DL AND NAIROBI????????

Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:26 pm

I'm not sure what you're driving at. Are you asking why 12 years ago Delta canceled NBO service?

Also, Luanda is about as close to Lagos or Johannesburg as Toronto is to Havana.
 
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Re: WHAT IS WITH DL AND NAIROBI????????

Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:43 pm

Well nowadays, it's just not feasible with the current fleet. The A350 would struggle mightily on the westbound - it's 8,054 miles from an elevation of 5300 feet at the equator - that's hot and high right there. CPT is slightly longer, but is at least at sea level and is not subject to the temperature extremes of Equatorial Africa.

Not to mention it really adds nothing to the network. Delta codeshares with KQ out of JFK. If you want to go to NBO, there's good connections over AMS/CDG, which have historically had many feeds on the America side. Likewise, the big places you would go over NBO can be reached over AMS/CDG. From what I've read, the KQ service in business class is lackluster at best, so I'd rather take the superior AF/KL product.

Also I can't see KQ flying to ATL. They were having enough issues with JFK, and that's where the traffic wants to go. Rumors abounded they've been losing money hand over fist in JFK and only flew it for prestige purposes. Not to mention, the country manager for KQ in the US knows the ATL market all too well...I know he's got his hands full with JFK as it is.
 
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Re: WHAT IS WITH DL AND NAIROBI????????

Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:48 pm

Again your better off with the KQ788 from JFK which DL code-shares on. South Africa has the highest yield in Africa and DL with the A350 is capturing that with Cape Town (South Africa also has the largest European population in Africa). Is DL even making money on Dakar, Senegal, Accra, Ghana and Lagos, Nigeria?
 
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Re: WHAT IS WITH DL AND NAIROBI????????

Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:51 pm

Nairobi to Capetown is farther than Halifax to Shannon.
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Re: WHAT IS WITH DL AND NAIROBI????????

Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:52 pm

The reasoning that was given for never starting NBO and ROB was that they were denied clearance to fly there from the TSA because of security vulnerabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/06/03/a ... index.html
 
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Re: WHAT IS WITH DL AND NAIROBI????????

Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:55 pm

x1234 wrote:
Again your better off with the KQ788 from JFK which DL code-shares on. South Africa has the highest yield in Africa and DL with the A350 is capturing that with Cape Town (South Africa also has the largest European population in Africa). Is DL even making money on Dakar, Senegal, Accra, Ghana and Lagos, Nigeria?


(Pre-COVID, of course)

Lagos yes. Delta is the only game for nonstop LOS-United States and there's a good bit of oil traffic there that keeps things profitable. The belly also sees heavy loads (A330s aren't uncommon and the 777 was used for a bit).

Dakar and Accra make sense for profit as well. Only nonstop game and they are on the lower-cost 757s and 767s and had been going less than daily. They fill a niche and given that the cost is low is very helpful.
 
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Re: WHAT IS WITH DL AND NAIROBI????????

Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:55 pm

Ishrion wrote:
China Airlines is a SkyTeam partner, yet Delta doesn’t serve Taipei and CI doesn’t serve Atlanta.


While CI doesn't serve ATL, CI already serves DL's LAX and JFK hubs, and DL already offers connections onto CI's ICN-TPE and HND-TSA nonstop flights from DL hubs. CI could also add TPE-SEA, TPE-MSP, and/or TPE-DTW nonstop service to connect passengers to additional U.S. cities from Taiwan, and CI is also able to offer connections onto DL flights out of JFK and LAX.

There is no need for CI to serve ATL, despite ATL being the main hub for DL, since CI has the ability connect passengers to most DL destinations in the contiguous U.S. through other DL hubs and since CI adding TPE-SEA, TPE-MSP, or TPE-DTW nonstop service would allow CI to offer 1-stop connections to more U.S. cities from TPE.
 
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Re: WHAT IS WITH DL AND NAIROBI????????

Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:01 pm

jplatts wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
China Airlines is a SkyTeam partner, yet Delta doesn’t serve Taipei and CI doesn’t serve Atlanta.


While CI doesn't serve ATL, CI already serves DL's LAX and JFK hubs, and DL already offers connections onto CI's ICN-TPE and HND-TSA nonstop flights from DL hubs.


Yup, and similar to the Nairobi subject, passengers can fly ATL-CDG/AMS and connect onto AF/KL or take Kenya Airways’ JFK-NBO flight.
 
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Re: Delta’s former service to Nairobi

Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:27 pm

Sounds like old Pan Am route licences, all of which ended up with Delta. Pan Am had 707 jet service from JFK to Monrovia, the capital of Liberia, which was a focus city for them, with spokes onwards to Nairobi, Kinshasa, Johannesburg, and maybe a few local West Africa hops to Lagos, Accra. Not sure the 747s did much African flying, might have done in the very early 70s to ROB, NBO, FIH, but if so not for long.
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Re: Delta’s former service to Nairobi

Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:36 pm

cedarjet wrote:
Sounds like old Pan Am route licences, all of which ended up with Delta. Pan Am had 707 jet service from JFK to Monrovia, the capital of Liberia, which was a focus city for them, with spokes onwards to Nairobi, Kinshasa, Johannesburg, and maybe a few local West Africa hops to Lagos, Accra. Not sure the 747s did much African flying, might have done in the very early 70s to ROB, NBO, FIH, but if so not for long.


DL certainly isn't dependent on authorities via Pan Am. There are longstanding Open Skies agreements with Ghana, Nigeria and Liberia.

Referring to the Mod-ified thread title, did DL ever operate NBO-xxx non-stops?
 
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Re: Delta’s former service to Nairobi

Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:33 pm

I don't understand the OP's topic, is it an argument for or against DL serving Kenya?

Kenya Airlines and Delta are both Skyteam members but it does not necessarily follow that there needs to be service from ATL to Nairobi. It just means you can get from ATL to Nairobi on a Delta ticket, even if you fly Air France from ATL to CDG and Kenya from CDG to Nairobi and never set foot inside a Delta plane. Many of the three alliances have airlines from countries that do not have nonstop flights.

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