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First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:01 am

Which airline was the first to fly non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ? I looked at DepartedFlights.com and came up with Varig in 1989 but perhaps Pan Am or Braniff flew the route previously ?

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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:20 am

No, Varig flew this route first.
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:46 am

I know for sure VASP had GRU-LAX nonstop by early 90 (91/92'ish) first on DC-10, then later on MD-11.

Now lets not forget JAL with their DC-8s. They ran LAX-VCP in early 80s with various tech stops such as MIA, SJU and such, but I want to say atleast for some period of the year they tried nonstop.

Pan Am definitely did not have a nonstop, and don't recall Braniff either instead they stuck with West coast of South America such as Chile, Colombia and Peru from LA
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:50 am

I went on that departed flights website and its interesting! Is there something to search for more recent flights (last 5 yeas or so) where you can see aircraft registration?
 
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:02 am

Varig began flew non-stop from Los Angeles to Brazil in November 1984, the twice weekly RG830 GIG-LAX-NRT with DC 10-30.
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:16 am

Early 90's i flew Varig DC10 from Rio de Janeiro to Lax.
Due to weather we ended up landing in Las Vegas, stayed in the plane for about an hour and then continued to Lax.
I don't remember any other airline doing the same trip non-stop at that time
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:19 am

Sorry for double post...

LAXintl wrote:
I know for sure VASP had GRU-LAX nonstop by early 90 (91/92'ish) first on DC-10, then later on MD-11.

Now lets not forget JAL with their DC-8s. They ran LAX-VCP in early 80s with various tech stops such as MIA, SJU and such, but I want to say atleast for some period of the year they tried nonstop.

Pan Am definitely did not have a nonstop, and don't recall Braniff either instead they stuck with West coast of South America such as Chile, Colombia and Peru from LA

Yup, LAX-Brazil market had more flights in 1990 than today pre-COVID.

In December 1998:
LAX-GRU
06 RG B743 and MD-11 from NRT and NGO, one was LAX-LIM-GRU;
03 VP MD-11 from SEL and KIX;
03 JL B743 from NRT
03 KE B744 from SEL

With VASP's withdraw and JAL flying GRU-NRT via JFK, RG increased the flights in 2000:
13 RG MD-11 from NRT (4) and NGO (3) and 6 with B763;
01 JL B743 from NRT;
03 KE B744 from SEL.

After 9/11, JL keep only GRU-JFK-NRT; KE exited from Brazil and VARIG keep only NRT/NGO-LAX-GRU daily. In 2004, NGO-LAX-GRU 3x weekly was cancelled and January 2006 the NRT-LAX-GRU too.

Between 2006-2008 there wasn´t flights between California and Brazil, returned that year with Korean Air's ICN-LAX-GRU, 2009 with short-lived LAX-GRU by B763.
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:29 am

JL flew GIG-LAX in the late 80's.
 
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:05 am

PB26 wrote:
Sorry for double post...

LAXintl wrote:
I know for sure VASP had GRU-LAX nonstop by early 90 (91/92'ish) first on DC-10, then later on MD-11.

Now lets not forget JAL with their DC-8s. They ran LAX-VCP in early 80s with various tech stops such as MIA, SJU and such, but I want to say atleast for some period of the year they tried nonstop.

Pan Am definitely did not have a nonstop, and don't recall Braniff either instead they stuck with West coast of South America such as Chile, Colombia and Peru from LA

Yup, LAX-Brazil market had more flights in 1990 than today pre-COVID.

In December 1998:
LAX-GRU
06 RG B743 and MD-11 from NRT and NGO, one was LAX-LIM-GRU;
03 VP MD-11 from SEL and KIX;
03 JL B743 from NRT
03 KE B744 from SEL

With VASP's withdraw and JAL flying GRU-NRT via JFK, RG increased the flights in 2000:
13 RG MD-11 from NRT (4) and NGO (3) and 6 with B763;
01 JL B743 from NRT;
03 KE B744 from SEL.

After 9/11, JL keep only GRU-JFK-NRT; KE exited from Brazil and VARIG keep only NRT/NGO-LAX-GRU daily. In 2004, NGO-LAX-GRU 3x weekly was cancelled and January 2006 the NRT-LAX-GRU too.

Between 2006-2008 there wasn´t flights between California and Brazil, returned that year with Korean Air's ICN-LAX-GRU, 2009 with short-lived LAX-GRU by B763.


Yep... lots of service back in 90s.
Then, years later, AA reinstated LAX-GRU non stop then pandemic came and it's now gone for good. Again.
Back to 0 services nonstop.

BTW I thought you folks may find it interesting to the subject here:

https://youtu.be/_lcVm230Lp0

https://youtu.be/1rZCSpFLPRs
 
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:13 am

Delta also had the rights before AA, but it operated sporadically.
 
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:34 am

Not sure about Non Stop, but I know according to their 1960/1961 (not sure) timetable, REAL Airlines flew a weekly Rio de Janeiro (maybe it was Sao Paulo?)-Lima-Los Angeles-Honolulu-Wake Island-Tokyo flight on a DC-6.
 
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:53 am

phllax wrote:
Delta also had the rights before AA, but it operated sporadically.


I don't know if I would call it sporadically - more like briefly, 2009-2010. https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... ulo-route/
 
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:51 pm

It appear that the LAX-Brazil flights were truly based on demand between Japan and Brazil. LAX was a convenient stopover. I wonder if this was tied to the significant immigration from Japan to Brazil. Even though immigration mostly stopped in the 1960s, travel demand between the countries continued for decades.
 
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:13 pm

maverick4002 wrote:
I went on that departed flights website and its interesting! Is there something to search for more recent flights (last 5 yeas or so) where you can see aircraft registration?



Try this website! https://www.transtats.bts.gov/ONTIME/Index.aspx
 
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:21 pm

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
It appear that the LAX-Brazil flights were truly based on demand between Japan and Brazil. LAX was a convenient stopover. I wonder if this was tied to the significant immigration from Japan to Brazil. Even though immigration mostly stopped in the 1960s, travel demand between the countries continued for decades.

Migration is probably an important driving force for those flights, directly as it produces VFR traffic and indirectly as it frequently induces business ties.
On this journey, there are many convenient stopovers: almost all North America is an insignificant detour (I guess the East Coast would even be less so, counterintuitively); Europe is barely a detour too; middle-east is a bit more. I guess that the (transit) visa question is not helping the US on that market (especially as I guess there are more Brazilian(-Japanese) going to Japan than the contrary and the visa is more a problem for Brazilian citizens (what probably second and third generations are) than for Japanese one).
 
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:52 am

caflyboy wrote:
JL flew GIG-LAX in the late 80's.

Yup, maybe one month after Varig's first GIG-LAX.

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
It appear that the LAX-Brazil flights were truly based on demand between Japan and Brazil. LAX was a convenient stopover. I wonder if this was tied to the significant immigration from Japan to Brazil. Even though immigration mostly stopped in the 1960s, travel demand between the countries continued for decades.


There are business, VFR, cargo and leisure, but in the Nineties the options to L.A from Brazil were few than today. In the past it was via Miami and Dallas, with Mexico City in far third. Before the pandemic Panama City, Bogota, Houston and Lima became the main gateways between California and Brazil.

São Paulo - San Francisco had a average 300 person one-way per day some years ago, but most use Houston, Chicago, Dallas and Miami.
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:26 pm

Wow, didn't know about Korean 747 here in Brazil!

You guys forgot one: LAX-GRU-GIG-LAX with United's 747SP, flew between Oct 93 and April 94, short-time and the only time UA flew from Cali to Brazil!
 
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:42 am

solracfunk14 wrote:
Wow, didn't know about Korean 747 here in Brazil!

You guys forgot one: LAX-GRU-GIG-LAX with United's 747SP, flew between Oct 93 and April 94, short-time and the only time UA flew from Cali to Brazil!


It's true, it was short-lived.

Only time flew non-stop from California to Brazil, but in 2000 they had the UA732 GRU-MIA-LAX daily with B763 or B772.
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:31 am

PB26 wrote:
solracfunk14 wrote:
Wow, didn't know about Korean 747 here in Brazil!

You guys forgot one: LAX-GRU-GIG-LAX with United's 747SP, flew between Oct 93 and April 94, short-time and the only time UA flew from Cali to Brazil!


It's true, it was short-lived.

Only time flew non-stop from California to Brazil, but in 2000 they had the UA732 GRU-MIA-LAX daily with B763 or B772.

I think UA also did LAX-EZE nonstop IIRC.
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Re: First non stop Los Angeles (LAX) to Brazil ?

Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:18 pm

In 1991 I flew nonstop GRU to LAX on RG. The RG flight flew on to SFO but I transferred to DL for the LAX to SFO portion as the fare was much cheaper than SFO to/from GRU.

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