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Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:30 pm

As you may be aware, narrow-bodies are becoming more common to see on longer routes. The most used one, (as of last year) is likely the Boeing 757. And in the future, the A321XLR and A321LR. However, could there be routes where 737NG's (or even A320CEOs) could operate? (Obviously not without weight restriction.) And could we go even smaller, say a 727, MD-90, or even 737 Classic?
 
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:36 pm

Norwegian used a 737-800 to fly from Edinburgh to JFK in place of a 737 MAX 8:
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:52 pm

In Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, this is not uncommon at all. Westjet has already been using 737NG aircraft on transatlantic routes out of YHZ for years. A mixture of 737-700’s and 800’s have been used on YHZ-GLA, DUB & LGW. They were also for a few years operating YYT-DUB and YYT-LGW on the 737-700.

In the past YHZ has also seen Air Transat use a 737-800 to LGW as well as Europe Airpost operate a 737-700 on YHZ-DUB-CDG.

Air St Pierre also leases a 737-700 in the summer to operate FSP-CDG.

And if we want to go way back into the past, Icelandair used to use a 737-400 on YHZ-KEF.

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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:53 pm

In June, WestJet was supposed to inaugurate Halifax to Manchester on the 737-700 but cancelled it.
 
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:20 pm

Norwegian was operating the 737-800 briefly at the start of there 737 transatlantic ops before the Max arrived. Mostly PVD/SWF-Ireland, and a few other European places. They also operated the routes with the -800 after the max grounding.
 
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:22 pm

Yes easily done between Eastern Canada/ USA to Iceland / Irish and British isles . Am sure flights from Halifax aren’t that long , possibly under 5 hours going East . But really the A321LR is the main show in town
 
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:33 pm

a340crew wrote:
Norwegian was operating the 737-800 briefly at the start of there 737 transatlantic ops before the Max arrived. Mostly PVD/SWF-Ireland, and a few other European places. They also operated the routes with the -800 after the max grounding.


Back in 2015, Norwegian also flew LGW-JFK (via KEF) on a 737-800 on at least one occasion when a 787 had mechanical issues
 
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:42 pm

There has also been Deer Lake (Newfoundland) - London service in summer with 737-700.
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:43 pm

IIRC, back in the day, Globespan operated LPL-NOC-JFK with a B757 initially, but then a B737-800.
 
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:46 pm

SAS (operated by Privat Air) operated a 737-700 between IAH and SVG (Stavanger).

That said, like BA's a318, this was a all J config.
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:54 pm

Antarius wrote:
SAS (operated by Privat Air) operated a 737-700 between IAH and SVG (Stavanger).

That said, like BA's a318, this was a all J config.

It also operated CPH-BOS and CPH-EWR, the latter in all J, but when it operated CPH-BOS it had a 20J and 66Y config. However it wasn't an ordinary 737-700. It was a Boeing BBJ.
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:05 pm

TheWorm123 wrote:
Norwegian used a 737-800 to fly from Edinburgh to JFK in place of a 737 MAX 8

To be clear, it was EDI-SWF. Newburgh/Stewart, not JFK.
 
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:10 pm

SASViking wrote:
Antarius wrote:
SAS (operated by Privat Air) operated a 737-700 between IAH and SVG (Stavanger).

That said, like BA's a318, this was a all J config.

It also operated CPH-BOS and CPH-EWR, the latter in all J, but when it operated CPH-BOS it had a 20J and 66Y config. However it wasn't an ordinary 737-700. It was a Boeing BBJ.


It has also flown Amsterdam - Houston in all business class in the past on behalf of KLM. But as you said, a BBJ is different from an ordinary 737. For example it has smaller cargo holds (for less passengers you also need less cargo space) and the freed up space is used for extra fuel tanks. Therefor the BBJ has a much greater range than the ordinary 737.

An ordinary 737 can certainly fly TATL, but not much further than coast to coast. For further range they need to be weight restricted, meaning seats need to be blocked off. That's what Norwegian did when they used the 737-800 on the routes to Stewart and Providence. On the 737MAX no seats needed to be blocked, they could use the full seating capacity. On the 737-800 that wasn't possible.
 
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:14 pm

Sun Country briefly flew to London via either Halifax or Gander from Minneapolis.
 
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:34 pm

If you consider any flight from Iceland to be a transatlantic one, FI operated 734s in the past to AMS, FRA, FAO and more, so you could count that one too.
 
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Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:19 pm

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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:21 pm

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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:33 am

Primera Air, an Icelandic-Danish carrier that went bust in 2018, flew a lot of trans-atlantic routes with the 737-800, but they had to stop in Iceland for fuel on most flights. They would have been replaced with the A321neo, A321LR and 737MAX-9 they had on order.
 
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:53 pm

pythoniels wrote:
If you consider any flight from Iceland to be a transatlantic one, FI operated 734s in the past to AMS, FRA, FAO and more, so you could count that one too.


From Iceland to Europe wouldn't be transatlantic, from Iceland to North America would be. Iceland is actually much closer to Europe than it is to North America.

There are a bunch of flights between Iceland and Greenland that could technically be seen as transatlantic, despite being operated on small aircraft. Sometimes as small as a Dash 8. After all Greenland could be considered North America while Iceland is definitely Europe.
 
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:28 pm

Until their MAX 8s came online, Norwegian regularly operated 737-800s from various cities in Ireland/Scotland to BDL, PVD, and SWF.

About 5-6 years ago. SAS contracted with PrivatAir to operate 737-700 BBJs between IAH and SVG.
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:44 am

EUROPE AIRPOST flew Halifax - Glasgow - Paris with 737-700... Air Saint Pierre still schedules an ASL B737-700 between St. Pierre and Paris with max. 100 passengers, unfortunately, this year suspended!
 
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Re: Are there any TATL routes that can be operated by a 737NG?

Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:56 am

Boeing757100 wrote:
As you may be aware, narrow-bodies are becoming more common to see on longer routes. The most used one, (as of last year) is likely the Boeing 757.
As nobody has stated the obvious yet... there was a time, long, long ago, when the only aircraft crossing the atlantic were narrow-bodies. :duck:

Setting aside the 707s and DC-8s, here are some of the less obvious TATL flyers, all pictured at London Gatwick.
As to how many of them managed the trip (both ways) without fuel stops at Gander or Shannon, that's a different story.


I have included the Convair because whilst it technically had TATL range (just), it may have been slightly compromised in terms of payload. :duck:
(wikipedia offers 3,302 nm range, but with only 11,689 kg payload. That averages out at 78kg for 149 pax, so for your big holiday to Europe, better not pack anything more than a toothbrush!)

The other reason for the Convair is because it was a particularly narrow narrow-body. Five-abreast seating! (not that I'm complaining. :lol: )

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Check out those luggage "bins". Just room enough for sir's umbrella and madam's fur hat.

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