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IFlyVeryLittle
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Gambling on board?

Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:08 pm

On a cruise ship, the casinos open for business the moment the vessel passes outside of US territorial waters. Has this kind of thing ever been considered aboard long-haul airliners in international airspace? Seems like with all the gaming available on seatback screens, something could be arranged without weight or labor penalties. Or, maybe something more luxurious now that a good segment of seats aren't being occupied by paying passengers.
 
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Re: Gambling on board?

Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:19 pm

IIRC Singapore Airlines did it and it was shortly removed. Cabin crew complained loudly about now having to deal with customers losing money.
 
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Re: Gambling on board?

Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:34 pm

Not exactly the same, but you can always play the Scratchcard game on Ryanair flights for prizes up to 1,000,000€.
 
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Re: Gambling on board?

Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:52 pm

I was just imagining a roulette table in the galley, and as the ball just about comes to a stop on my number, the plane hits some turbulence...
 
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Re: Gambling on board?

Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:57 pm

Swissair did, at least on their MD11's at one point. Via the newly installed IFE system. It is believed it was the IFE system that was the root cause of the fire that downed the jet.
 
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Re: Gambling on board?

Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:59 pm

On many airlines you can play Black Jack, Poker or roulette for free as arcade games on their IFE system. It is form of gambling except no money change hand.
 
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Re: Gambling on board?

Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:44 pm

I remember the "casino flight" from Las Vegas to Hamburg, actually it was the delivery flight of Laudas first B777 - promoting the new interactive gambling IFE.
 
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Re: Gambling on board?

Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:47 pm

I usually lose my bet on the beef/chicken/fish gamble. I'm not going to do it for money.
 
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Re: Gambling on board?

Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:06 pm

IFlyVeryLittle wrote:
On a cruise ship, the casinos open for business the moment the vessel passes outside of US territorial waters. Has this kind of thing ever been considered aboard long-haul airliners in international airspace?


International airspace doesn't give the operator the same freedoms as international waters - because certain governments don't allow it. The U.S. for example, asserts that U.S. carriers follow safety law (but not employment law) wherever they operate. The U.S. insists that some consumer protections (think IDB, tarmac delays) apply to all itineraries originating or arriving in the U.S., even if operated by a foreign carrier.

There was a View from the Wing piece on gambling and U.S. law a few months ago.
 
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Re: Gambling on board?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:43 am

eta unknown wrote:
IIRC Singapore Airlines did it and it was shortly removed. Cabin crew complained loudly about now having to deal with customers losing money.

My first reaction was no way this is true, since gambling was only relatively recently allowed in Singapore (~2010 with the opening of two casinos).

But then I found this: https://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/17/busi ... %20removed.
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Re: Gambling on board?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:03 pm

I recall reading that the Sands L1011 had a roulette wheel on board and that there was some taxation benefit to playing in international airspace.
 
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Re: Gambling on board?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:31 pm

My roulette wheel info may be out of date, but in the past the wheel was only held to the table by gravity. This was done so the wheel on a given table could easily be changed. If there was some number favored due to a small fault then the player could not know which table that wheel was at. Such a wheel on an airplane could be a huge hazard in turbulence if it came loose and flew around the cabin. Those things are heavy. Wouldn't a roulette wheel count as equipment that needed FAA or other regulator approval as all other installed equipment does? Hardly worth the effort. On the other hand card games would be no problem. Since the Sands planes are based in Nevada, I wonder if any gaming facilities on board are subject to Nevada regulation. They are very strict about that stuff.
 
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Re: Gambling on board?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:23 pm

aklrno wrote:
My roulette wheel info may be out of date, but in the past the wheel was only held to the table by gravity. This was done so the wheel on a given table could easily be changed. If there was some number favored due to a small fault then the player could not know which table that wheel was at. Such a wheel on an airplane could be a huge hazard in turbulence if it came loose and flew around the cabin. Those things are heavy. Wouldn't a roulette wheel count as equipment that needed FAA or other regulator approval as all other installed equipment does? Hardly worth the effort. On the other hand card games would be no problem. Since the Sands planes are based in Nevada, I wonder if any gaming facilities on board are subject to Nevada regulation. They are very strict about that stuff.


I'm on the road, so a quick answer to your post and the one above.

Yes they are held down by gravity, it wasn't done so it can be quickly changed, there is nothing really quick about changing out a roulette wheel, something like a Huxley is a good 100lbs. Most good casinos (meaning those that keep track of the number of times a number hits) will balance out a wheel before the game is opened, the quick way of doing that is to put a 6 ft level on it and make sure the bubbles don't move.

No idea what the FAA would say but the NGC made it pretty clear, you hold a Nevada license, you WILL follow Nevada gaming regs, that includes cameras etc. I remember the Sands thing being floated, I don't remember if they ever did it, but, the surveillance issue would have killed it, the reason for using private aircraft is privacy, you lose that when there are cameras onboard recording everything.

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