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NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:52 am

Besides having threads related to Canadian carriers, I propose we have a dedicated thread for carriers from afar serving Canada.

Lufthansa Nov 2020:

- Frankfurt – Toronto 1 daily A330-300/340-300

- Frankfurt – Vancouver 5 weekly A330-300

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-13oct20/


Lufthansa from Dec. 1st, 2020:

- Frankfurt – Toronto A330-300 replaces 747-400, 1 daily

- Frankfurt – Vancouver A330-300 replaces 747-400, reduce from 7 to 5 weekly (7 weekly from 01MAR21)

- Munich – Montreal Reduce from 5 to 3 weekly, A350-900XWB operating (5 weekly from 01MAR21)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-13oct20/


Air India from Oct. 25, 2020

- Dehli - Vancouver B777-300ER 3 weekly

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -oct-2020/
 
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:20 pm

KLM

AMS-YVR 3x weekly with A332/A333 until Dec 11, 2020 instead of 4x.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-06oct20/
 
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:39 pm

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... hlight=KLM

Additional KLM NW20:
AMS-YYC 3x weekly A333 (Originally 789)
AMS-YYC-YEG 2x weekly A333 (Originally 789)
AMS-YYZ 9x weekly B77W/772/789
AMS-YUL 3x weekly A332
 
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:17 pm

hollywoodcory wrote:

Additional KLM NW20:

AMS-YYZ 9x weekly B77W/772/789


Interesting how strong YYZ remains for KLM compared to other markets.
 
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:37 pm

Remember there is a lot of leakage of traffic from DTW and BUF to YYZ especially international traffic as YYZ is substantially cheaper than the US originating due to the low value of the CAD versus USD.
 
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:46 pm

x1234 wrote:
Remember there is a lot of leakage of traffic from DTW and BUF to YYZ especially international traffic as YYZ is substantially cheaper than the US originating due to the low value of the CAD versus USD.


Not at the moment since the land border between US and Canada is shut down except for essential traffic and commercial traffic.
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:48 pm

Don't also forget SEA leakage to YVR pre pandemic

x1234 wrote:
Remember there is a lot of leakage of traffic from DTW and BUF to YYZ especially international traffic as YYZ is substantially cheaper than the US originating due to the low value of the CAD versus USD.
 
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:56 pm

Cathay Pacific

November
HKG-YVR 3 weekly A359
HKG-YYZ 2 weekly A351

December
HKG-YVR 1 daily 77W
HKG-YYZ 5 weekly 77W+A351

January is showing normal schedule with 2 daily YVR and 10 weekly YYZ, which is likely not accurate, so I would expect to see revision there.

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_HK/ ... MANAGE_1_3
319/20/21 332/33 342/43/45 359/51 388 707 717 732/36/3G/38/39 74R/42/43/44/4E/48 757 762/63 772/7L/73/7W 788/89 D10 M80 135/40/45 175/90 DH1/4 CRJ/R7 L10
AY LH OU SR BA FI LX
AA DL UA NW AC CP WS FL NK PD
CI NH SQ KA CX JL BR OZ TG KE CA CZ NZ JQ RS
 
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:03 pm

x1234 wrote:
Remember there is a lot of leakage of traffic from DTW and BUF to YYZ especially international traffic as YYZ is substantially cheaper than the US originating due to the low value of the CAD versus USD.

There would be no leakage at this time. Land border between Canada and US is closed except for essential traffic and will likely remain so for the foreseeable future. Also Canada does not allow any non-Canadian from entering, so non-Canadian (Americans included) trying to fly into YYZ from any international locations will be denied entry into Canada. There is no way for people to YYZ, enter Canada and then drive to Buffalo (or vice versa).
319/20/21 332/33 342/43/45 359/51 388 707 717 732/36/3G/38/39 74R/42/43/44/4E/48 757 762/63 772/7L/73/7W 788/89 D10 M80 135/40/45 175/90 DH1/4 CRJ/R7 L10
AY LH OU SR BA FI LX
AA DL UA NW AC CP WS FL NK PD
CI NH SQ KA CX JL BR OZ TG KE CA CZ NZ JQ RS
 
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:23 pm

hollywoodcory wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/293818/klm-nw20-intercontinental-operations-update-as-of-17sep20/?highlight=KLM

Additional KLM NW20:
AMS-YYC 3x weekly A333 (Originally 789)
AMS-YYC-YEG 2x weekly A333 (Originally 789)
AMS-YYZ 9x weekly B77W/772/789
AMS-YUL 3x weekly A332


Will KL671-672 go on overnighting in YUL for the foreseeable future?

… I took that flight when it was everyday 747, through YMX…
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:46 pm

Aircellist wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/293818/klm-nw20-intercontinental-operations-update-as-of-17sep20/?highlight=KLM

Additional KLM NW20:
AMS-YYC 3x weekly A333 (Originally 789)
AMS-YYC-YEG 2x weekly A333 (Originally 789)
AMS-YYZ 9x weekly B77W/772/789
AMS-YUL 3x weekly A332


Will KL671-672 go on overnighting in YUL for the foreseeable future?

… I took that flight when it was everyday 747, through YMX…


Looks like it will be overnighting. And only flying 2x weekly at least in November.

KL671 AMS 15:20 - 17:05 YUL on Monday / Friday
KL672 YUL 19:01 - 07:50+A AMS on Tuesday / Saturday
 
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:07 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Air India from Oct. 25, 2020

- Dehli - Vancouver B777-300ER 3 weekly

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -oct-2020/

Air India also operates 5x weekly DEL-YYZ with 77W.

Other flights from Asia (until end of March, unless otherwise noted):

Korean Air
4x weekly ICN-YVR A330
3x weekly ICN-YYZ B787

JAL
3x weekly NRT-YVR B787 (still showing daily from Feb)

ANA
3x weekly HND-YVR B787 (still showing daily from Dec)

China Airlines
2x weekly TPE-YVR A350 (still showing daily from Jan)

EVA Air
3x weekly TPE-YVR B787 (still showing daily from Jan)
3x weekly TPE-YYZ B777 (still showing daily from Jan)

Philippine Airlines
1x weekly MNL-YVR-YYZ (until end of Nov)

Air China
2x weekly PEK-YVR B777 (one of the weekly return via CGO; showing 1x weekly from Feb)

China Eastern
1x weekly PVG-YYZ B777
1x weekly NKG-YVR A330

China Southern
1x weekly CAN-YVR A380
1x weekly CAN-YYZ B787 (until end of Nov)

Hainan Airlines
2x weekly PEK-YYZ B787 (return via XIY)

Xiamen Airlines
2x weekly XMN-YVR B787

Sichuan Airlines
2x weekly CTU-YVR A350
 
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:39 am

Copa to resume PTY-YYZ 3x weekly from tomorrow.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -oct-2020/
 
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:45 am

hollywoodcory wrote:
Aircellist wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/293818/klm-nw20-intercontinental-operations-update-as-of-17sep20/?highlight=KLM

Additional KLM NW20:
AMS-YYC 3x weekly A333 (Originally 789)
AMS-YYC-YEG 2x weekly A333 (Originally 789)
AMS-YYZ 9x weekly B77W/772/789
AMS-YUL 3x weekly A332


Will KL671-672 go on overnighting in YUL for the foreseeable future?

… I took that flight when it was everyday 747, through YMX…


Looks like it will be overnighting. And only flying 2x weekly at least in November.

KL671 AMS 15:20 - 17:05 YUL on Monday / Friday
KL672 YUL 19:01 - 07:50+A AMS on Tuesday / Saturday


Probably saves a ton on crew costs to just overnight them with the plane rather than constantly DH crews in and out, or have them stay there for 72+ hours...
 
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:57 pm

Emirates
Dubai – Toronto 5 weekly A380 flights from 28MAR21.
 
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Re: NW20 Intercontinental routes to Canada thread

Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:09 pm

xwb777 wrote:
Emirates
Dubai – Toronto 5 weekly A380 flights from 28MAR21.


Then this will be for Northern Summer schedule not Winter.

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