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UA857
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Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:24 pm

Is it possible that after the pandemic AA could add PHL-GRU/EZE with a 789 to compliment the existing JFK-GRU/EZE on the 77W/77E. AA could possibly use JFK-GRU/EZE for O&D and business traffic and PHL-GRU/EZE for feed and leisure traffic. Any thoughts?
 
SJPBR
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Re: Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:44 pm

JFK-GRU is O&D. All connecting traffic to Brazil is thru MIA or DFW.
 
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Re: Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:52 pm

SJPBR wrote:
JFK-GRU is O&D. All connecting traffic to Brazil is thru MIA or DFW.

Couldn't AA add PHL-GRU/EZE to strengthen Northeast connections onto South America?
 
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Re: Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:56 am

What connections does PHL add that aren't already well-served via MIA or DFW? My guess would be few if any.
 
UA857
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Re: Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:43 am

luckyone wrote:
What connections does PHL add that aren't already well-served via MIA or DFW? My guess would be few if any.

Would't it be easier for a pax living in BOS would to connect through PHL instead of JFK or MIA as JFK is too congested and delay prone and MIA is far away?
 
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Re: Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:55 am

UA857 wrote:
luckyone wrote:
What connections does PHL add that aren't already well-served via MIA or DFW? My guess would be few if any.

Would't it be easier for a pax living in BOS would to connect through PHL instead of JFK or MIA as JFK is too congested and delay prone and MIA is far away?

I would say the difference is nil. The distance is about 300miles less flying from PHL than MIA, which is pretty negligible in terms of flying time and connection. MIA would undoubtedly offer more frequency and thus options, though.
 
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Re: Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:30 am

UA857 wrote:
luckyone wrote:
What connections does PHL add that aren't already well-served via MIA or DFW? My guess would be few if any.

Would't it be easier for a pax living in BOS would to connect through PHL instead of JFK or MIA as JFK is too congested and delay prone and MIA is far away?


How much BOS-GRU/EZE traffic do you think there is to warrant this? Let's say how much New England-GRU-EZE traffic?

That ammount of traffic connects via JFK regardless of congestion, more so if taking about leisure/VFR.

On the other hand, deep SouthAm have been weak in the last few years before covid, beyond MIA which is the traditional gateway there had been cuts in JFK, ORD, DFW, LAX in the 2018-2019 timeframe.
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UA857
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Re: Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:02 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
UA857 wrote:
luckyone wrote:
What connections does PHL add that aren't already well-served via MIA or DFW? My guess would be few if any.

Would't it be easier for a pax living in BOS would to connect through PHL instead of JFK or MIA as JFK is too congested and delay prone and MIA is far away?


How much BOS-GRU/EZE traffic do you think there is to warrant this? Let's say how much New England-GRU-EZE traffic?

That ammount of traffic connects via JFK regardless of congestion, more so if taking about leisure/VFR.

On the other hand, deep SouthAm have been weak in the last few years before covid, beyond MIA which is the traditional gateway there had been cuts in JFK, ORD, DFW, LAX in the 2018-2019 timeframe.

Why has it been week the last few years?
 
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Re: Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:32 pm

Ask the people that didn’t book tickets, they’d know, Brazilian and ArgentinIan economies have been pretty weak for at least four years. Even the rich haven’t been doin well
 
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Re: Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:39 pm

UA857 wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Would't it be easier for a pax living in BOS would to connect through PHL instead of JFK or MIA as JFK is too congested and delay prone and MIA is far away?


How much BOS-GRU/EZE traffic do you think there is to warrant this? Let's say how much New England-GRU-EZE traffic?

That ammount of traffic connects via JFK regardless of congestion, more so if taking about leisure/VFR.

On the other hand, deep SouthAm have been weak in the last few years before covid, beyond MIA which is the traditional gateway there had been cuts in JFK, ORD, DFW, LAX in the 2018-2019 timeframe.

Why has it been week the last few years?


Brazilian and Argentinian middle/upper classes not doing as well as they were in the previous years. US to deep SouthAm relies on that traffic as they do on US originated traffic.
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Re: Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:44 pm

If tou take covid out of the equation you still have lots of traffic USA-Brazil due to economic, government and academic ties between the two countries.
Regarding BOS, Latam usually fly this route daily in a 767 (before covid). Even with COVID US still fly pax daily to IAH and now EWR. But when/if market recovers that will be many flights to/from ORD, JFK, MIA, DFW, ATL e even LAX to be resumed before a new city like PHL opens.
 
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Re: Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:57 pm

Highly doubt it, if anything MAYBE PHL-GRU. Before any of that happens, I imagine AA would bring back CLT-GRU first before looking at PHL-GRU. But AA wants pax connecting to GRU flying through MIA/DFW, so it doesn't seem very likely that they'd do the exact same thing at PHL. CLT-GRU is more likely IMO because there are a lot of routes/markets that AA serves from CLT that are not served from DFW/MIA, but I still don't see that. If the A321LRs can make CLT-GRU then maybe, but I don't think they have those legs.
 
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Re: Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:11 am

N292UX wrote:
Highly doubt it, if anything MAYBE PHL-GRU. Before any of that happens, I imagine AA would bring back CLT-GRU first before looking at PHL-GRU. But AA wants pax connecting to GRU flying through MIA/DFW, so it doesn't seem very likely that they'd do the exact same thing at PHL. CLT-GRU is more likely IMO because there are a lot of routes/markets that AA serves from CLT that are not served from DFW/MIA, but I still don't see that. If the A321LRs can make CLT-GRU then maybe, but I don't think they have those legs.


The A321XLR's advertised range of 4,700nmi can actually reach PHL-GRU, though I'd expect CLT-GRU first.
 
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Re: Could AA add PHL-GRU/EZE?

Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:31 pm

Ishrion wrote:
N292UX wrote:
Highly doubt it, if anything MAYBE PHL-GRU. Before any of that happens, I imagine AA would bring back CLT-GRU first before looking at PHL-GRU. But AA wants pax connecting to GRU flying through MIA/DFW, so it doesn't seem very likely that they'd do the exact same thing at PHL. CLT-GRU is more likely IMO because there are a lot of routes/markets that AA serves from CLT that are not served from DFW/MIA, but I still don't see that. If the A321LRs can make CLT-GRU then maybe, but I don't think they have those legs.


The A321XLR's advertised range of 4,700nmi can actually reach PHL-GRU, though I'd expect CLT-GRU first.


If AA uses the A321XLR to South America it will be out of MIA and DFW to small markets such as ASU, GIG, MVD, COR, VVI. GIG used to be a large US market but not anymore.
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