trex8 wrote:

I flew LGW-ORD or STL several times in the early ,mid 80s. Pretty sure it was a 747 every time.

CIDFlyer wrote:

STL was very much a large hub for AA after it took over from TWA and flew to LGW and CDG. STL was never a big op for European flights, basically to the mainstays of London and Paris. JFK for TWA was always the European hub. AA continued this for a couple years past the buy out. The hub was well over 400 daily flights and AA continued the London and Paris flights on their metal. The hub was paired back due to the industry issues that followed 9/11 in the fall of 2003, where the schedule was halved to 200 daily flights and the flights to Europe and Hawaii were halted. The only “long haul” flight that remained was weekend only service to SJU. The new mini hub at STL actually performed fairly well enough for AA that some cities were added back to the hub and some cities that had service downgraded to regional service saw mainline come back and some that had prop service was upgraded to regional jet service. There had been some talk of AA even reinstating the LGW route at one point maybe around 2005/2006 or so but alas another recession kicked in around 2008 and the hub was finally dismantled around late 2009 to 2010

DL_Mech wrote:

I recall a Military Airlift Command ticket counter in the area just east of the Spirit of St. Louis airplane in the ‘80s. I believe the arrival/departure boards showed that Transamerica flight on there but I don’t remember the destination.

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:

jfklganyc wrote:

Ionosphere wrote:

July 2001 TWA Trans Atlantic Routes
JFK: CAI, CDG, RUH via CAI
STL: CDG, LGW

When did Tel Aviv end? Are you sure it wasn’t flying? That ran right to the end I thought

I have that combined AA/TW July timetable also - CDG & CAI were the only nonstop transatlantic routes left from JFK in July.Intrestingly DL began JFK-CAI the same month but shelved it after 9/11 as did TW/AA.
In Dec 00' TLV, MXP & LIS were still flown per that timetable. CDG & CAI were also flow obviously.
In both timetables CAI flight went on to RUH.

Ionosphere wrote:

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:

jfklganyc wrote:

When did Tel Aviv end? Are you sure it wasn’t flying? That ran right to the end I thought

I have that combined AA/TW July timetable also - CDG & CAI were the only nonstop transatlantic routes left from JFK in July.Intrestingly DL began JFK-CAI the same month but shelved it after 9/11 as did TW/AA.
In Dec 00' TLV, MXP & LIS were still flown per that timetable. CDG & CAI were also flow obviously.
In both timetables CAI flight went on to RUH.

I think DL flew the MD-11 JFK-CAI-DXB

Ionosphere wrote:

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:

jfklganyc wrote:

When did Tel Aviv end? Are you sure it wasn’t flying? That ran right to the end I thought

I have that combined AA/TW July timetable also - CDG & CAI were the only nonstop transatlantic routes left from JFK in July.Intrestingly DL began JFK-CAI the same month but shelved it after 9/11 as did TW/AA.
In Dec 00' TLV, MXP & LIS were still flown per that timetable. CDG & CAI were also flow obviously.
In both timetables CAI flight went on to RUH.

I think DL flew the MD-11 JFK-CAI-DXB

CIDFlyer wrote:

STL was very much a large hub for AA after it took over from TWA and flew to LGW and CDG. STL was never a big op for European flights, basically to the mainstays of London and Paris. JFK for TWA was always the European hub. AA continued this for a couple years past the buy out. The hub was well over 400 daily flights and AA continued the London and Paris flights on their metal. The hub was paired back due to the industry issues that followed 9/11 in the fall of 2003, where the schedule was halved to 200 daily flights and the flights to Europe and Hawaii were halted. The only “long haul” flight that remained was weekend only service to SJU. The new mini hub at STL actually performed fairly well enough for AA that some cities were added back to the hub and some cities that had service downgraded to regional service saw mainline come back and some that had prop service was upgraded to regional jet service. There had been some talk of AA even reinstating the LGW route at one point maybe around 2005/2006 or so but alas another recession kicked in around 2008 and the hub was finally dismantled around late 2009 to 2010

flyfresno wrote:

Is there a running list of "former hubs that have lost the most transoceanic service"? I would imagine STL is near the top of that list. CVG, while still a focus city, also once had a lot more transoceanic than the one CDG flight they retain. MEM had AMS and CLE had LHR (or was it LGW?), and PIT had both London airports at one time or another (were there any other European destinations from PIT?). Any other airports I'm forgetting?

CLEguy wrote:

flyfresno wrote:

Is there a running list of "former hubs that have lost the most transoceanic service"? I would imagine STL is near the top of that list. CVG, while still a focus city, also once had a lot more transoceanic than the one CDG flight they retain. MEM had AMS and CLE had LHR (or was it LGW?), and PIT had both London airports at one time or another (were there any other European destinations from PIT?). Any other airports I'm forgetting?

CLE had LGW (1999-2008, both year-round and seasonal at the end) and LHR in the final year of service (seasonal in 2009) before the Great Recession killed the route, and CDG for the summer of 2008 only, both on Continental. Don't forget service to KEF in summer 2018 on both Icelandair and WOW.