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How much cargo can the 77W haul compared to the A380 (e.g. EK)?

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:21 pm
by x1234
I was told the cheapest way to ship freight from Europe to Australia/NZ is with the CN3 and ME3 (faster trans-shipment). When EK operated A380's on DXB-SYD and DXB-AKL how much cargo could the A380 carry versus the 77W?

Re: How much cargo can the 77W haul compared to the A380 (e.g. EK)?

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:35 pm
by FGITD
Huge number of factors at play that would change the info based on individual flights.

Simple answer though: 77w holds 14 LD7s, a388 holds 13.

The 380 will need more hold space for pax baggage, so that cuts into the already lower cargo capacity.

I’ve loaded pretty much all the “modern” Boeing and Airbus aircraft. When it comes to carrying pax and cargo the 77w leads the way.

Re: How much cargo can the 77W haul compared to the A380 (e.g. EK)?

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:46 pm
by xwb777
According to Tim Clark’s latest interview, the A380 can carry up to 30-40 Tons.


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Re: How much cargo can the 77W haul compared to the A380 (e.g. EK)?

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:09 pm
by Crosswind
xwb777 wrote:
According to Tim Clark’s latest interview, the A380 can carry up to 30-40 Tons.


I think that figure may be the belly capacity as a dedicated freighter ie not accounting for space for passenger baggage.

The IAG Cargo website lists capacity for all types operated, but seemingly accounts for passenger baggage. It’s a good summary as IAG operate pretty much every modern passenger wide-body across the various airlines.

Summarised as follows in size order;

A350-1000 25T
B777-300 25T
B777-200 20T
A350-900 17T
A330-300 16T
A330-200 14T
A380 13.2T
B787-10 13T
B787-9 11T
B787-8 9T

There is more detail on the website, including pallet configurations.
https://www.iagcargo.com/en/page/fleet

Best Regards
CROSSWIND

Re: How much cargo can the 77W haul compared to the A380 (e.g. EK)?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:33 am
by Fuling
Not including the loose bulk cargo, the B77W can carry 44x LD3 containers (or 14 pallets) whereas the A388 can carry 38x LD3 containers (or 11 pallets).

If anyone knows the formula / general rule of thumb for pax weight vs range vs weight restrictions, let me know!

Re: How much cargo can the 77W haul compared to the A380 (e.g. EK)?

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:53 am
by zeke
Fuling wrote:
If anyone knows the formula / general rule of thumb for pax weight vs range vs weight restrictions, let me know!


25 pax per LD3 seems to work for me as a rule of thumb.

The issue however with the question is the answer is different if we are talking about DXB-LHR or DXB-LAX. On the shorter DXB-LHR route the 77W will generally uplift more cargo as it will neither be volume or MZFW limited, or MTOW limited. On the longer DXB-LAX route the A380 would carry more cargo as the 77W would get MTOW limited and probably unable to fill all cabin seats.

Re: How much cargo can the 77W haul compared to the A380 (e.g. EK)?

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:02 am
by leftcoast8
Fuling wrote:
Not including the loose bulk cargo, the B77W can carry 44x LD3 containers (or 14 pallets) whereas the A388 can carry 38x LD3 containers (or 11 pallets).

If anyone knows the formula / general rule of thumb for pax weight vs range vs weight restrictions, let me know!


The A380's cargo capacity is limited because freight can't be placed on the upper deck right? I think that's a big reason why the A380 sales floundered. Also because it was simply too big for most airports and with four engines, it's at an inherent disadvantage for fuel consumption.

Re: How much cargo can the 77W haul compared to the A380 (e.g. EK)?

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:50 am
by FGITD
leftcoast8 wrote:
Fuling wrote:
Not including the loose bulk cargo, the B77W can carry 44x LD3 containers (or 14 pallets) whereas the A388 can carry 38x LD3 containers (or 11 pallets).

If anyone knows the formula / general rule of thumb for pax weight vs range vs weight restrictions, let me know!


The A380's cargo capacity is limited because freight can't be placed on the upper deck right? I think that's a big reason why the A380 sales floundered. Also because it was simply too big for most airports and with four engines, it's at an inherent disadvantage for fuel consumption.


There’s no 380 version that takes main deck or upper deck cargo so it plays no role in the competition. The issue with the 380 is that it’s a big tour bus. And as Zeke stated, you get about 25 pax per baggage container, assuming roughly 40 bags per can. (Ambitious depending on where you're flying) Once you hit the realm of 500+ pax, just the bags are taking up a good portion of your holds.

77w for me is the best cargo hauler. I've yet to hit weight and balance issues, positioning snags, or any of the other perpetual issues most airplanes get.