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Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:38 pm

This may turn out to be mostly subjective but airlines have made unusual choices to operate on their route systems in the pads and present, perhaps even more so with CV19


Any in particular come to mind ?
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:45 pm

MSP-PSC on a CRJ900 had to feel interminable. I'm sure the E75 is a little better.
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:46 pm

Not too long ago Saudia operated 77W’s alongside E170 on JED-RUH. While neither of these planes were unsuitable, it kind of stood out to me. At times, they operated 10 mins apart each other.
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:21 pm

A380 Dubai to anyplace in Europe.
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Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:30 pm

UA has run ORD-PHX, ORD-MIA, ORD-BOS, and more with E170s during the pandemic.

Pre-pandemic, I'd say that the AA CRJ-900 between DFW and PHX was weird. I know Mesa has to get the aircraft between hubs, but why do not it through an outstation like OKC or ELP? Fortunately, that's exactly what they've done recently.

Lastly, I think UA's decision to use the CRJ-200 on a ton of bigger routes is questionable (like DEN-SLC).
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:27 pm

In 2017, Plus Ultra used to routinely operate Madrid - Barcelona (i.e. 1 hour domestic flight entirely over land) with an A340. Eventually they changed to chartering an A320 from Gowair instead
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:42 pm

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In 2017, Plus Ultra used to routinely operate Madrid - Barcelona (i.e. 1 hour domestic flight entirely over land) with an A340. Eventually they changed to chartering an A320 from Gowair instead


Flew it, possibly the only domestic route at the time where all passengers onboard got a complimentary service. It was to help feed into their longhauls to Havana, Lima and Santiago, but it was all a bit of a flop.
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:20 pm

Interesting

On reflection ‘unusual’ or ‘unexpected’ might have been a better word for aircraft on certain routes


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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:45 pm

maps4ltd wrote:
UA has run ORD-PHX, ORD-MIA, ORD-BOS, and more with E170s during the pandemic.

Pre-pandemic, I'd say that the AA CRJ-900 between DFW and PHX was weird. I know Mesa has to get the aircraft between hubs, but why do not it through an outstation like OKC or ELP? Fortunately, that's exactly what they've done recently.

Lastly, I think UA's decision to use the CRJ-200 on a ton of bigger routes is questionable (like DEN-SLC).



Just out of curiosity, why do you think ORD-BOS is unsuitable for the E170? It's an extremely short route, typically about 1.5hrs airtime (if I remember correctly) and JetBlue flies the Ejet on this route often as well.

ORD-PHX is a bit longer, so agree with you there
 
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Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:49 pm

maps4ltd wrote:
Pre-pandemic, I'd say that the AA CRJ-900 between DFW and PHX was weird. I know Mesa has to get the aircraft between hubs, but why do not it through an outstation like OKC or ELP? Fortunately, that's exactly what they've done recently.


Sometimes even going through an outstation results in a flight that seems "weird" for the plane to be used on, like when UA used to schedule a CRJ-700 on SMF-DEN (I assume they were moving it from LAX to DEN via SMF). I'm sure a lot of passengers were surprised to be on an RJ when every other flight on the route was a 737 or A320 or at the time even a 757.

Lastly, I think UA's decision to use the CRJ-200 on a ton of bigger routes is questionable (like DEN-SLC).


That reminds me of how CO used to use ERJ-145s on some really long flights, like EWR-OKC.
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:35 pm

OneX123 wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
UA has run ORD-PHX, ORD-MIA, ORD-BOS, and more with E170s during the pandemic.

Pre-pandemic, I'd say that the AA CRJ-900 between DFW and PHX was weird. I know Mesa has to get the aircraft between hubs, but why do not it through an outstation like OKC or ELP? Fortunately, that's exactly what they've done recently.

Lastly, I think UA's decision to use the CRJ-200 on a ton of bigger routes is questionable (like DEN-SLC).



Just out of curiosity, why do you think ORD-BOS is unsuitable for the E170? It's an extremely short route, typically about 1.5hrs airtime (if I remember correctly) and JetBlue flies the Ejet on this route often as well.

ORD-PHX is a bit longer, so agree with you there


I can't speak for the other person, but I also am sometimes surprised to see regional jets connecting the biggest cities. It's not necessarily the flight length but the size of the markets. Although then on the flip side, you have gulf carriers flying the largest widebodies on 45 minute flights within the gulf region

Reminds me of about 10 years ago when I flew from SEA to PDX on UA and was a bit astonished to find myself on a 30-seat Skywest Embraer 120!

And yet a few years later, I flew SEA to YVR (a 25 minute flight) where AS used a 737-900ER!
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:42 pm

Most unsuitable aircraft for routes? Ooh, Asian airlines are the best at this. Cathay Pacific sends its 777s on the 1-hour hop to Taiwan. Could have done it with one of its A321neos.
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:01 am

I am fascinated by European leisure airlines flying longhaul on norrowbody - like AnimaWings A321neo to places like ZNZ, Tarom B737 to MLE or Dutch Corendon to NAT...
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:19 am

debonair wrote:
I am fascinated by European leisure airlines flying longhaul on norrowbody - like AnimaWings A321neo to places like ZNZ, Tarom B737 to MLE or Dutch Corendon to NAT...

A good chunk of Africa can be reached by a narrowbody from Europe, with flights 6 hours or less. I know Turkish does a lot of these.

On a slightly unrelated note, putting 737s on 5-6 hour runs is exactly how Copa operates its PTY hub.
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:03 am

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Most unsuitable aircraft for routes? Ooh, Asian airlines are the best at this. Cathay Pacific sends its 777s on the 1-hour hop to Taiwan. Could have done it with one of its A321neos.

Apples and oranges. HKG-TPE is a very busy sector. Yeah CX could run narrow bodies but that would gunk up ops for both airports a lot. A330s and 777s and even 747s once upon a time are/were run (literally) around the clock for HKG-TPE along with all of the narrowbodies.
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:21 am

Pre-pandemic, I flew on a TG 744 from BKK-HKT. Boarding took almost as long as the flight.

It was also my last 744 flight, and I was aware of this, so I wasn't about to complain.
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:00 am

rlwynn wrote:
A380 Dubai to anyplace in Europe.


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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:03 am

IFAviation wrote:
Most unsuitable aircraft for routes? Ooh, Asian airlines are the best at this. Cathay Pacific sends its 777s on the 1-hour hop to Taiwan. Could have done it with one of its A321neos.



Pretty sure there’s substantial cargo traffic between these two cities
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:25 pm

I've always been amused by the variety of aircraft flying between Singapore and Kuala Lumpur. Everything from A350s to ATRs (if you count Seletar and Subang). Or how many times I've been on a Singapore Airlines 787-10 on routes of no more than 3 hours. But I can't deny it is a nice experience :cloudnine:

debonair wrote:
I am fascinated by European leisure airlines flying longhaul on norrowbody - like AnimaWings A321neo to places like ZNZ, Tarom B737 to MLE or Dutch Corendon to NAT...


Animawings just has an ordinary A320ceo. Not that it drastically changes the experience, although at least it retains the relatively nice not so dense Aegean layout.


rlwynn wrote:
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:51 pm

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Animawings just has an ordinary A320ceo. Not that it drastically changes the experience, although at least it retains the relatively nice not so dense Aegean layout.


WOW! Seems to be true, that AnimaWings is flying the A320ceo to ZNZ: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/yr-aga

In this previous post, it was reported that SX-NAC, an A321neo, would do the job - strange that they downgraded... Hopefully the upcoming flights to Phuket will stay on the A321neo: viewtopic.php?t=1456121
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:05 pm

Same goes for SkyUp flying Kiev to Zanzibar on an ordinary 737NG, not sure if they put the 700 or 800 on it. Quite a distance...
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:09 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
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Most unsuitable aircraft for routes? Ooh, Asian airlines are the best at this. Cathay Pacific sends its 777s on the 1-hour hop to Taiwan. Could have done it with one of its A321neos.

Apples and oranges. HKG-TPE is a very busy sector. Yeah CX could run narrow bodies but that would gunk up ops for both airports a lot. A330s and 777s and even 747s once upon a time are/were run (literally) around the clock for HKG-TPE along with all of the narrowbodies.


I mean, HKG to KHH is one of the less busy sectors taken over by CX after KA's collapse. The A321neo is well suited to the route.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:15 pm

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Same goes for SkyUp flying Kiev to Zanzibar on an ordinary 737NG, not sure if they put the 700 or 800 on it. Quite a distance...

Should be the 737-700. The 800 couldn't make it. However, the flight is quite unprofitable since even the 700 can't make it with a full load. The flight is about 3400nmi, while the ranges of the 700 and 800 respectively are 3050 and 2935 nmi. The 737MAX (which are not yet delivered) and the A319 (which the airline doesn't have) makes more sense on the flight.
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:22 pm

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maps4ltd wrote:
UA has run ORD-PHX, ORD-MIA, ORD-BOS, and more with E170s during the pandemic.

Pre-pandemic, I'd say that the AA CRJ-900 between DFW and PHX was weird. I know Mesa has to get the aircraft between hubs, but why do not it through an outstation like OKC or ELP? Fortunately, that's exactly what they've done recently.

Lastly, I think UA's decision to use the CRJ-200 on a ton of bigger routes is questionable (like DEN-SLC).



Just out of curiosity, why do you think ORD-BOS is unsuitable for the E170? It's an extremely short route, typically about 1.5hrs airtime (if I remember correctly) and JetBlue flies the Ejet on this route often as well.

ORD-PHX is a bit longer, so agree with you there


Actually, the E190 range is 2450 nmi, which makes it more of a competitor to the 737-500. It is definitely not a regional jet. It is appropriate to fly routes from the Midwest to the West Coast and East Coast with lower demand on the 190.
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:24 pm

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I've always been amused by the variety of aircraft flying between Singapore and Kuala Lumpur. Everything from A350s to ATRs (if you count Seletar and Subang). Or how many times I've been on a Singapore Airlines 787-10 on routes of no more than 3 hours. But I can't deny it is a nice experience :cloudnine:

debonair wrote:
I am fascinated by European leisure airlines flying longhaul on norrowbody - like AnimaWings A321neo to places like ZNZ, Tarom B737 to MLE or Dutch Corendon to NAT...


Animawings just has an ordinary A320ceo. Not that it drastically changes the experience, although at least it retains the relatively nice not so dense Aegean layout.


rlwynn wrote:
A380 Dubai to anyplace in Europe.


Not if you can fill it.


What? Emirates flies its A380s on the 200nmi hop to Oman. Emirates has both 777s and A380s on its flights to London.
 
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IFAviation wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
Same goes for SkyUp flying Kiev to Zanzibar on an ordinary 737NG, not sure if they put the 700 or 800 on it. Quite a distance...

Should be the 737-700. The 800 couldn't make it. However, the flight is quite unprofitable since even the 700 can't make it with a full load. The flight is about 3400nmi, while the ranges of the 700 and 800 respectively are 3050 and 2935 nmi. The 737MAX (which are not yet delivered) and the A319 (which the airline doesn't have) makes more sense on the flight.

I seem to recall seeing a SkyUp 737 or 738 on FR24 descending somewhere in the area of HRG which might indicate them having a fuel stop in Egypt. Unfortunately, the coverage was lost so I can’t confirm it. Maybe someone else has an answer.

Edit: you can see the 737-800 descending to FL180 before it “disappears”:

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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:52 pm

paullam wrote:
IFAviation wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
Same goes for SkyUp flying Kiev to Zanzibar on an ordinary 737NG, not sure if they put the 700 or 800 on it. Quite a distance...

Should be the 737-700. The 800 couldn't make it. However, the flight is quite unprofitable since even the 700 can't make it with a full load. The flight is about 3400nmi, while the ranges of the 700 and 800 respectively are 3050 and 2935 nmi. The 737MAX (which are not yet delivered) and the A319 (which the airline doesn't have) makes more sense on the flight.

I seem to recall seeing a SkyUp 737 or 738 on FR24 descending somewhere in the area of HRG which might indicate them having a fuel stop in Egypt. Unfortunately, the coverage was lost so I can’t confirm it. Maybe someone else has an answer.

Edit: you can see the 737-800 descending to FL180 before it “disappears”:

IMG_3404.jpg


To the best of my knowledge, SkyUp have served HGH on charter flights - could it have been one of these, as I can't see the screenshot you've attached?
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:02 pm

debonair wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
Animawings just has an ordinary A320ceo. Not that it drastically changes the experience, although at least it retains the relatively nice not so dense Aegean layout.


WOW! Seems to be true, that AnimaWings is flying the A320ceo to ZNZ: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/yr-aga

In this previous post, it was reported that SX-NAC, an A321neo, would do the job - strange that they downgraded... Hopefully the upcoming flights to Phuket will stay on the A321neo: viewtopic.php?t=1456121


Then again, not too unprecedented. Turkish Airlines has used 737NGs to Tanzania for many years. Istanbul to Bucharest is barely anything. I think I did a trip from somewhere on the Romanian coast to Istanbul that took barely half an hour. It is not much further.
 
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Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:48 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
paullam wrote:
IFAviation wrote:
Should be the 737-700. The 800 couldn't make it. However, the flight is quite unprofitable since even the 700 can't make it with a full load. The flight is about 3400nmi, while the ranges of the 700 and 800 respectively are 3050 and 2935 nmi. The 737MAX (which are not yet delivered) and the A319 (which the airline doesn't have) makes more sense on the flight.

I seem to recall seeing a SkyUp 737 or 738 on FR24 descending somewhere in the area of HRG which might indicate them having a fuel stop in Egypt. Unfortunately, the coverage was lost so I can’t confirm it. Maybe someone else has an answer.

Edit: you can see the 737-800 descending to FL180 before it “disappears”:

IMG_3404.jpg


To the best of my knowledge, SkyUp have served HGH on charter flights - could it have been one of these, as I can't see the screenshot you've attached?

I have no idea, why the screenshot can’t be displayed. Must be something with Tapatalk as usually it works perfectly fine.

What I was trying to show was flight PQ6973 which, according to FR24, goes nonstop from KBP to ZNZ. On the screenshot you can see this flight on Feb 18 descending to FL180 over Egypt before the tracking stops.
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Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:59 pm

Looking at it from a technical, not objective perspective, I can immediately think of one:

Garuda ordered the 777-300ER, in part so it could fly a flagship (SYD-)CGK-LHR route... but then they 'discovered' that the pavement rating at CGK was not sufficient to hold a fully loaded 77W on a flight to LHR.

Also Asian Spirit flew the BAe 146-100 into Caticlan in the Philiipines, but it was so marginal that several rows of seats had to be completely removed to save weight, whilst passengers were limited to just 10kg luggage. Not particularly suitable but a lot of fun!
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Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:43 pm

OneX123 wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
UA has run ORD-PHX, ORD-MIA, ORD-BOS, and more with E170s during the pandemic.

Pre-pandemic, I'd say that the AA CRJ-900 between DFW and PHX was weird. I know Mesa has to get the aircraft between hubs, but why do not it through an outstation like OKC or ELP? Fortunately, that's exactly what they've done recently.

Lastly, I think UA's decision to use the CRJ-200 on a ton of bigger routes is questionable (like DEN-SLC).



Just out of curiosity, why do you think ORD-BOS is unsuitable for the E170? It's an extremely short route, typically about 1.5hrs airtime (if I remember correctly) and JetBlue flies the Ejet on this route often as well.

ORD-PHX is a bit longer, so agree with you there


UA used the E175 from SJC-IAH back in November. I booked my uncle on that flight. Pre-COVID, UA also ran the 175 from MCI-SFO. IIRC, UA operated some pretty long sectors (2-3 hrs +) on them. At least they're not CRJs.

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Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:24 pm

I can't see that a "long-haul" aircraft is unsuitable if its needed for capacity or fits into fleet commonality. Along with the SE Asian and middle eastern examples above, QF has long "misused" widebodies on 1-1.5 hour sectors in the MEL-SYD-BNE triangle. 762, 763, repositioning 744 and more recently A332 and A333 provide the necessary capacity on these services, but have then been cycled into more "suitable" routes.
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Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:43 am

The only unsuitable aircraft on a route is one that doesn’t make a profit.
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:55 am

rlwynn wrote:
A380 Dubai to anyplace in Europe.


The ones I’ve flown on have been full.

777-300ER might be unsuitable too. Maybe it should be thousands of single aisle narrow body planes with everyone packed in like sardines?

Qantas often uses big planes on short flights. A330 Sydney Melbourne and return. 767 Brisbane Sydney as well in the past. Also 747 on domestic flights.
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:28 pm

UA used to operate a 744 ORD-IAD. It was slight overkill but it was a tag on the NRT-ORD flight. I wasn't complaining. It was nice to fly on a 744 on that route.

HP used to operate a 747 PHX-LAS.

WA used to operate a DC-10 MIA-FLL. It was a tag on the LAX-MIA flight.
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:38 am

I don't understand why UA flies a 777-200 from Honolulu to Guam... it seems like a waste if the route isn't heavily utilized and the ticket prices are expensive. I think they would be better served with the 737 MAX or A321XLR.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:38 am

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I don't understand why UA flies a 777-200 from Honolulu to Guam... it seems like a waste if the route isn't heavily utilized and the ticket prices are expensive. I think they would be better served with the 737 MAX or A321XLR.



UA prints money on that route, they are the sole carrier on it and fill the aircraft with passengers, civilians, many military personnel, their dependents and a significant amount of lucrative freight


It was one of the very first routes to convert from a HD 764 to an HD 777 after the merger when they became available, that’s how important the higher capacity was
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:04 am

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Pre-pandemic, I'd say that the AA CRJ-900 between DFW and PHX was weird. I know Mesa has to get the aircraft between hubs, but why do not it through an outstation like OKC or ELP? Fortunately, that's exactly what they've done recently.


Sometimes even going through an outstation results in a flight that seems "weird" for the plane to be used on, like when UA used to schedule a CRJ-700 on SMF-DEN (I assume they were moving it from LAX to DEN via SMF). I'm sure a lot of passengers were surprised to be on an RJ when every other flight on the route was a 737 or A320 or at the time even a 757.

Lastly, I think UA's decision to use the CRJ-200 on a ton of bigger routes is questionable (like DEN-SLC).


That reminds me of how CO used to use ERJ-145s on some really long flights, like EWR-OKC.


I had a PIT-DEN-SEA trip on UA the day before Thanksgiving years ago. PIT-DEN was an E145 - woof that was a long flight on a 50-seater, fortunately I had the "A" seat. Never has a 739 felt so spacious as it did when I boarded one for the DEN-SEA leg.
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:55 am

I remember Lufthansa sending their A300 FRA-NUE back in the mid and late 2000s. Not sure how they would have filled it, but in the times before Covid you'd have three to six daily flights over the whole day with E190, A319/A320 and in most cases only small CRJ900. I've flown this route more often than any other route in my life and the planes were rarely full, mostly around 50-80%.

I guess even if they sent less flights per day in the past, I still can't imagine filling almost 250 seats (188Y 58C) on that short 30min hop.
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dekema2
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:29 pm

Max Q wrote:
dekema2 wrote:
I don't understand why UA flies a 777-200 from Honolulu to Guam... it seems like a waste if the route isn't heavily utilized and the ticket prices are expensive. I think they would be better served with the 737 MAX or A321XLR.



UA prints money on that route, they are the sole carrier on it and fill the aircraft with passengers, civilians, many military personnel, their dependents and a significant amount of lucrative freight


It was one of the very first routes to convert from a HD 764 to an HD 777 after the merger when they became available, that’s how important the higher capacity was


Interesting, didn't know any of this.
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:04 am

So, MSP - ORD on a 747 with NW. Pretty sure the airplane was repositioning for an international leg. I recall 20 or so passengers. DEN - COS on a UA 757, nice fast flight, the airplane took off and landed to the south, it didn't really turn.
 
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Re: Most unsuitable aircraft for their routes ?

Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:07 am

That NW 747 flew ORD-NRT the next day. I took the MSP sector once, but the pax load was over 100.

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