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### Will Southwest Ever order the Max 9?

It seems to me that Southwest could order ~50 Max 9s for high demand routes. They could fit 200 seats and still not have to add an additional fight attendant.

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### Re: Will Southwest Ever order the Max 9?

...or the MAX 10?
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### Re: Will Southwest Ever order the Max 9?

We don’t really have a breakdown of variants in the pending MAX order, but I think the -9 or -10 are within the realm of possibility. WN would have no problem filling up a -10 to Hawaii or on a transcon. I’m looking forward to more details being revealed soon.

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### Re: Will Southwest Ever order the Max 9?

delta777er wrote:
It seems to me that Southwest could order ~50 Max 9s for high demand routes. They could fit 200 seats and still not have to add an additional fight attendant.

Would the 200 seats feature the 32 inch pitch they have standard?
Do they even have even high demand routes year round to demand a large size? I can see it's good for Hawaii flights and Florida flights. But not much else where

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### Re: Will Southwest Ever order the Max 9?

I think WN would have a better chance at 200 seats with the 10. The 8 can do it at 28in pitch. The 9 is 9 feet longer than the 8. 9x12=108in 108/28=3.8 rows (call it 3). 3*6=18 more seats in the MAX 9 for a total of 218 seats at 28 inch pitch. The extra 28 seats doesn't offset the extra FA.

The 10 is 14 feet longer than the 8. 14x12=168in. 168/32=5.25 extra rows at WN pitch (round down to 5). 5x6=30 extra seats the MAX 10 would have on WNs config compared to the MAX 8 for a capacity of 205 making 200 totally doable*.

*Length numbers are based on full aircraft length, not cabin length, numbers are gathered from wiki
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### Re: Will Southwest Ever order the Max 9?

yes yes yes, Ive been screaming this from the rooftop on several posts on A.net. 30-50 Max 9/10s would be perfect for Southwest. +25 seats with a minimal cost increase over the 738/MAX 8. For the Max 9 to work two things must be happen:
1. It must have the gear of the Max 10
2. It must be able hold as close to 200 passengers as possible with the additional emergency exit using the have a minimum pitch of 31/32. If both points cannot fulfilled the Max 10 is the only answer.

The Max 10 would allow for a more comfortable ride for the passengers ( seat pitch wise) and possibly a mid cabin lav however the it takes up a bigger footprint than than Max 9 on the ground. Some of WN gates are already maxed out with the 8.

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### Re: Will Southwest Ever order the Max 9?

TWA772LR wrote:
I think WN would have a better chance at 200 seats with the 10. The 8 can do it at 28in pitch. The 9 is 9 feet longer than the 8. 9x12=108in 108/28=3.8 rows (call it 3). 3*6=18 more seats in the MAX 9 for a total of 218 seats at 28 inch pitch. The extra 28 seats doesn't offset the extra FA.

The 10 is 14 feet longer than the 8. 14x12=168in. 168/32=5.25 extra rows at WN pitch (round down to 5). 5x6=30 extra seats the MAX 10 would have on WNs config compared to the MAX 8 for a capacity of 205 making 200 totally doable*.

*Length numbers are based on full aircraft length, not cabin length, numbers are gathered from wiki

The minimum I think Southwest would go is 31". Anything less is essentially ULCC territory. 200 seats is the magic number.

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### Re: Will Southwest Ever order the Max 9?

INFINITI329 wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
I think WN would have a better chance at 200 seats with the 10. The 8 can do it at 28in pitch. The 9 is 9 feet longer than the 8. 9x12=108in 108/28=3.8 rows (call it 3). 3*6=18 more seats in the MAX 9 for a total of 218 seats at 28 inch pitch. The extra 28 seats doesn't offset the extra FA.

The 10 is 14 feet longer than the 8. 14x12=168in. 168/32=5.25 extra rows at WN pitch (round down to 5). 5x6=30 extra seats the MAX 10 would have on WNs config compared to the MAX 8 for a capacity of 205 making 200 totally doable*.

*Length numbers are based on full aircraft length, not cabin length, numbers are gathered from wiki

200 seats is the magic number.

Exactly. And by my calculations, the 9 won't cut it because it barely breaks 200 at the tightest pitch. If Southwest wants a shot at 200 seats, they'd have to go for the 10.
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### Re: Will Southwest Ever order the Max 9?

TWA772LR wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
I think WN would have a better chance at 200 seats with the 10. The 8 can do it at 28in pitch. The 9 is 9 feet longer than the 8. 9x12=108in 108/28=3.8 rows (call it 3). 3*6=18 more seats in the MAX 9 for a total of 218 seats at 28 inch pitch. The extra 28 seats doesn't offset the extra FA.

The 10 is 14 feet longer than the 8. 14x12=168in. 168/32=5.25 extra rows at WN pitch (round down to 5). 5x6=30 extra seats the MAX 10 would have on WNs config compared to the MAX 8 for a capacity of 205 making 200 totally doable*.

*Length numbers are based on full aircraft length, not cabin length, numbers are gathered from wiki

200 seats is the magic number.

Exactly. And by my calculations, the 9 won't cut it because it barely breaks 200 at the tightest pitch. If Southwest wants a shot at 200 seats, they'd have to go for the 10.

With your calculations, you are going for the max amount of seats with minimum pitch. Southwest will not go that route. In your example, you have 218 seats at a 28-inch pitch. Southwest would cap it at 200, 3 fewer rows than your given example. Removing those three rows will allow the pitch to climb to the 31/32 neighborhood. However, you must factor in the extra set of emergency exit doors required for the Max 9 as it is required for configs above 189 pax on the -900/Max 9. I dont know how the extra set of emergency doors will determine the maximum number of seats in Southwest congiftuation a Max 9 could hold.

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### Re: Will Southwest Ever order the Max 9?

PHLspecial wrote:
delta777er wrote:
It seems to me that Southwest could order ~50 Max 9s for high demand routes. They could fit 200 seats and still not have to add an additional fight attendant.

Would the 200 seats feature the 32 inch pitch they have standard?
Do they even have even high demand routes year round to demand a large size? I can see it's good for Hawaii flights and Florida flights. But not much else where

Exactly. I don't think WN would be able to easily fill 200 seats on routes like STL-ICT.
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