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Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:44 am

Can you guys list a number of routes that Pan Am flew the L-1011-500 and DC-10 on? I supposed the DC-10-10s were used on medium-haul routes and the L-1011-500 and DC-10-30s were used on long-haul routes with demand deemed too thin for the 747. Any thoughts?
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:59 pm

The L-1011-500 was used for some time on the JFK-CCS route. In fact, N504PA (Clipper National Eagle) flew the inaugural service of the type for the airline on May 1, 1980 on that route.

The DC-10-30 flew the MIA-CCS route for a while during the mid '80s.
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:38 pm

L15: IAH-LGW for one.

Have at it:

http://www.departedflights.com/PA090882intro.html
http://www.departedflights.com/PA090882p3.html
http://www.departedflights.com/PA090882p4.html

There are embedded hyper links for the rest of that timetable.
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:22 pm

L-1011-500

JFK-DTW-IND
JFK-DTW-MSP
JFK-IAH

DC-10

TPA-FRA
TPA-ORY
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:44 am

DC-10

MEX-IAH
MEX-MIA

L-1011

MEX-IAH
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:30 am

Why did PA order the L15?
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:23 am

UA857 wrote:
Why did PA order the L15?


They wanted a plane for routes where the 747s were too large. Not sure why they picked the L10 over the DC-10.
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:59 pm

747buff wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Why did PA order the L15?


They wanted a plane for routes where the 747s were too large. Not sure why they picked the L10 over the DC-10.


Several reasons...first off, at the time they were shopping for a smaller wide body, there was still a public stigma over the DC-10 following the crash in Chicago. The 767 was available but at that time, twin engines were not yet authorized to fly transatlantic routes. Lockheed also gave them a good deal on some final run aircraft.
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:01 pm

CairnterriAIR wrote:
747buff wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Why did PA order the L15?


They wanted a plane for routes where the 747s were too large. Not sure why they picked the L10 over the DC-10.


Several reasons...first off, at the time they were shopping for a smaller wide body, there was still a public stigma over the DC-10 following the crash in Chicago. The 767 was available but at that time, twin engines were not yet authorized to fly transatlantic routes. Lockheed also gave them a good deal on some final run aircraft. Needless to say, very shortly afterwards the PA/NA merger took place and they ended up operating both L-1011’s and DC-10’s along side the 747’s. The -10’s were quickly swapped out to AA for some lower time 747’s.
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:42 am

NCAD95 wrote:
L-1011-500

JFK-DTW-IND
JFK-DTW-MSP
JFK-IAH

DC-10

TPA-FRA
TPA-ORY




Interesting to see wide body service to Europe from TPA by a US carrier in that era


I don’t think there’s any EU service from Tampa at present due to COVID but it was just about unheard of by US carriers lately even before the pandemic
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:42 pm

It also flew JFK-HAM/BRU/MAD at a point. Possibly NCE too according to a book I read but I can't remember the title (Definetly not Skygods, but another of the top books about the airline!). They said it did help increase the yields and load factors for those destinations.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Pan-Ame ... hY1x9kGzZu
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:57 pm

In the early 80's they flew a L15 New Orleans - Gatwick rotation for a while. I knew someone who travelled on it in about 1980/81.
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:17 am

Bucksduck wrote:
In the early 80's they flew a L15 New Orleans - Gatwick rotation for a while. I knew someone who travelled on it in about 1980/81.



Was that PA ?

I thought BA operated that route with a Tristar ?
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:18 pm

Both BA and Pan Am did but it was only short-lived. The BA flight continued to Mexico City from New Orleans.
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:43 am

Bucksduck wrote:
Both BA and Pan Am did but it was only short-lived. The BA flight continued to Mexico City from New Orleans.


5th freedom?
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:54 pm

The DC10 used to serve Shannon to in the 80's. From JFK if i remember correctly.
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:23 pm

CairnterriAIR wrote:
747buff wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Why did PA order the L15?


They wanted a plane for routes where the 747s were too large. Not sure why they picked the L10 over the DC-10.


Several reasons...first off, at the time they were shopping for a smaller wide body, there was still a public stigma over the DC-10 following the crash in Chicago. The 767 was available but at that time, twin engines were not yet authorized to fly transatlantic routes. Lockheed also gave them a good deal on some final run aircraft.


Pan Am ordered the L-1011-500 in April 1978 - one year before AA 191. The idea that stigma regarding the DC-10’s safety record was a factor in the Pan Am Tristar order is false.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 29cb504e8/
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:30 pm

Pan Am flew the L-1011-500 SFO-OSA (Itami), and United did so after buying Pan Am’s Pacific routes.
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:37 pm

I recall flying on a PA DC-10 (former National, of course) on JFK-PBI and back ... that would have been around 1980.
 
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Re: Pan Am L-1011-500 and DC-10 routes?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:39 am

I saw the Dc-10s at San Juan all the time. They flew from MIA..

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