What is happening on AA 4870? Did it have a go around and then fly over Manhattan directly twice?
Is it because of the weather?
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- AmericanAir88
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Seems the flight has now landed. Very odd pattern it took. I didn’t even know planes could fly 3,000 ft above lower Manhattan.
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To me, it only looks like there was one true go-around. The other “circle” was probably due to spacing. Currently LIFR in LGA. Nothing to see here.
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- FlySail2015
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It's one hold (or vectors around a circle) followed by one go-around.
A look at the FlightAware track log shows that it was heading east into LGA until about 10:46, when its easterly heading turned into northeast, then north, then northwest, etc. all the way around the circle counterclockwise until reaching east again. During these 7 minutes, they descended from 7000 to 3000.
Once re-established on vectors back into LGA, their descent turned back into a climb around 1100ft. Since the minimums for the CAT I ILS in use on runway 4 are around 200ft (and LGA is sea-level), we can infer that their go-around was not weather-related. The reason for the go-around was either tower-instructed (probably most likely, given the weather and the challenge of trying to cram LGA traffic into low ceilings/visibility), or perhaps they were not configured in the landing configuration by 1000ft, because that drives a go-around as per this airline's SOPs (which I happen to know).
A look at the FlightAware track log shows that it was heading east into LGA until about 10:46, when its easterly heading turned into northeast, then north, then northwest, etc. all the way around the circle counterclockwise until reaching east again. During these 7 minutes, they descended from 7000 to 3000.
Once re-established on vectors back into LGA, their descent turned back into a climb around 1100ft. Since the minimums for the CAT I ILS in use on runway 4 are around 200ft (and LGA is sea-level), we can infer that their go-around was not weather-related. The reason for the go-around was either tower-instructed (probably most likely, given the weather and the challenge of trying to cram LGA traffic into low ceilings/visibility), or perhaps they were not configured in the landing configuration by 1000ft, because that drives a go-around as per this airline's SOPs (which I happen to know).
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Minimums and low RVR have been affecting LGA ops today. LGA arrivals from the north to runway 4 and runway 31 regularly fly over Lower Manhattan at 4,000 ft. Pre pandemic you would see AC, WS and the BOS and north flights all the time over lower Manhattan.
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- airtran737
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FlySail2015 wrote:It's one hold (or vectors around a circle) followed by one go-around.
A look at the FlightAware track log shows that it was heading east into LGA until about 10:46, when its easterly heading turned into northeast, then north, then northwest, etc. all the way around the circle counterclockwise until reaching east again. During these 7 minutes, they descended from 7000 to 3000.
Once re-established on vectors back into LGA, their descent turned back into a climb around 1100ft. Since the minimums for the CAT I ILS in use on runway 4 are around 200ft (and LGA is sea-level), we can infer that their go-around was not weather-related. The reason for the go-around was either tower-instructed (probably most likely, given the weather and the challenge of trying to cram LGA traffic into low ceilings/visibility), or perhaps they were not configured in the landing configuration by 1000ft, because that drives a go-around as per this airline's SOPs (which I happen to know).
Don't forget that Rwy 4 is not a coupled approach with tremendous variations on the localizer. I have had to go around twice in low WX situations because of that damn localizer. All in all it looks like a standard day.
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- FlySail2015
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airtran737 wrote:
Don't forget that Rwy 4 is not a coupled approach with tremendous variations on the localizer. I have had to go around twice in low WX situations because of that damn localizer. All in all it looks like a standard day.
Good point, I forgot about the Autopilot Coupled NA note!
Re: AA Flight 4870
cedarjet wrote:Anyone got a screenshot of the track?
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KIND/KLGA
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