Moderators: richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
cedarjet
Topic Author
Posts: 8946
Joined: Mon May 24, 1999 1:12 am

Round the world airlines

Tue May 11, 2021 8:49 pm

Here’s a good challenge for you. Name airlines that had round the world service.

Back in the golden age, Qantas flew three ways to London, the Kangaroo route (via SE Asia, India, Persian Gulf, Europe), the Southern Cross route (via Fiji, Honolulu, San Fran, New York) and the Fiesta route (via Tahiti, Acapulco, Mexico City, Nassau, Bermuda). That takes some beating!

Pan Am were famous for PA1&2, New York to San Francisco via London, Frankfurt, Istanbul, Beirut, Tehran, Karachi, Delhi, Bangkok, Hong Kong and Tokyo. Both ways, every day. What a time to be alive.

BOAC flew to Australia via Asia and via the Americas, can’t recite the routes because they were so diverse. They even had a route that didn’t touch Europe, which was Tokyo to Johannesburg via Hong Kong, Colombo, Seychelles and Nairobi, by VC-10.

If you add Air France and UTA together, you might be able to construct a francophone circumnavigation but I’ll leave that to the experts. For sure UTA flew to Sydney via the Americas and Pacific.

In the modern era, United had a go by flying San Francisco, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Bangkok (?), Delhi, London, New York. The thinner legs Hong Kong to London were flown by 767-300ER. Even the smallest aircraft in the long haul fleet was too much metal and this only last a couple of years.

Honourable mention for Air New Zealand who complemented their London via Los Angeles route with a second option going the other way, via Hong Kong. Not sure why this didn’t last because HK is way better for transit than LA. Only four stops all the way round — AKL HKG LHR LAX AKL — but still, a daily circumnavigation.

Who else managed this impressive feat?
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
VSMUT
Posts: 5498
Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:40 am

Re: Round the world airlines

Tue May 11, 2021 8:57 pm

FedEx and UPS do round the world flights, don't they?

Might not be actual round the world on one aircraft, but pre-covid, Singapore Airlines served New York from both sides, over the pacific and via Europe.
 
Starfuryt
Posts: 204
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:58 am

Re: Round the world airlines

Tue May 11, 2021 9:12 pm

SQ Cargo goes a round the world flight. SQ7980 and 7979.
Singapore - Hong Kong - Anchorage - Dallas - Brussels - Sharjah - Singapore. I caught the SQ bird departing ANC to Dallas on that route when I was there back in March.
 
TUGMASTER
Posts: 1360
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:56 pm

Re: Round the world airlines

Tue May 11, 2021 9:24 pm

The NZ service was also 744 round the world equipment, NZ1/2 via LAX and NZ38/39 via HKG. Now they don’t even serve LHR.
 
GalaxyFlyer
Posts: 7827
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:44 am

Re: Round the world airlines

Tue May 11, 2021 9:43 pm

A hardy perennial here on A.net. PAA and TWA at different times. PA flights 1 &2 went in opposite directions.
 
cedarjet
Topic Author
Posts: 8946
Joined: Mon May 24, 1999 1:12 am

Re: Round the world airlines

Tue May 11, 2021 9:52 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
The NZ service was also 744 round the world equipment, NZ1/2 via LAX and NZ38/39 via HKG. Now they don’t even serve LHR.

Nice to see you back on a.net Mr MASTER. I thought the HK route was 777-200ER?
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
User avatar
cathay747
Posts: 1568
Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:47 pm

Re: Round the world airlines

Tue May 11, 2021 10:28 pm

CI operated RTW for several years, although I don't remember the timeframe, but per this route map, they did it in Jan. 1989...it was TPE-BKK-DHA-AMS-JFK-ANC-TPE. It may even have been with one of their SP's.

http://www.departedflights.com/CI0189.html
Try a Little VC-10derness
 
Kiwiandrew
Posts: 60
Joined: Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:06 pm

Re: Round the world airlines

Tue May 11, 2021 10:30 pm

cedarjet wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
The NZ service was also 744 round the world equipment, NZ1/2 via LAX and NZ38/39 via HKG. Now they don’t even serve LHR.

Nice to see you back on a.net Mr MASTER. I thought the HK route was 777-200ER?


It started off as 744 then downsized to 772ER before being axed. I flew LHR-HKG-AKL on NZ in early 2009 and it was definitely 744 at that time
 
User avatar
cathay747
Posts: 1568
Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:47 pm

Re: Round the world airlines

Tue May 11, 2021 10:38 pm

cedarjet wrote:
BOAC flew to Australia via Asia and via the Americas, can’t recite the routes because they were so diverse. They even had a route that didn’t touch Europe, which was Tokyo to Johannesburg via Hong Kong, Colombo, Seychelles and Nairobi, by VC-10.


Ah yes, the TYO-JNB route by VC-10. I always wondered how it was that BOAC kept traffic rights for that old "Empire Route" for so long, given that Japan was never a British colony, and all the rest had gained independence by the jet age (some for a LONG time) except for Seychelles (1976).
Try a Little VC-10derness
 
StlHsvSfoSan
Posts: 183
Joined: Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:24 pm

Re: Round the world airlines

Tue May 11, 2021 11:32 pm

You used to be able to do (and maybe still can) go RTW on SQ JFK-FRA-SIN-EWR (although it is 2 flight numbers, so probably technically not a RTW).
 
PlymSpotter
Posts: 10826
Joined: Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:32 am

Re: Round the world airlines

Tue May 11, 2021 11:53 pm

StlHsvSfoSan wrote:
You used to be able to do (and maybe still can) go RTW on SQ JFK-FRA-SIN-EWR (although it is 2 flight numbers, so probably technically not a RTW).


They have currently cut the stop in FRA, making it a direct SIN-JFK and setting a new worlds longest flight by 3 miles.

SQ deserve an honourable mention for both of these trips, they tend to follow the jetstream and often fly Eastbound the whole way. I've seen SQ fly as far south as Spain whilst operating EWR-SIN.
...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
 
User avatar
TWA772LR
Posts: 7652
Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:12 am

Re: Round the world airlines

Wed May 12, 2021 12:37 am

Technically UA is still RTW with EWR-DEL-SFO.

I know , I know... It's not the definition you're looking for.
When wasn't America great?


The thoughts and opinions shared under this username are mine and are not influenced by my employer.
 
Max Q
Posts: 8990
Joined: Wed May 09, 2001 12:40 pm

Re: Round the world airlines

Wed May 12, 2021 4:46 am

Close enough
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.


GGg
 
User avatar
Tabito
Posts: 103
Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:39 pm

Re: Round the world airlines

Wed May 12, 2021 5:23 am

JAL: HND-HNL-SFO-JFK-LHR-ORY or FRA-FCO-CAI-THR-DEL-BKK-HKG-HND Twice a week by DC-8. From 1967 to 1972.
 
User avatar
eta unknown
Posts: 3035
Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2001 5:03 am

Re: Round the world airlines

Wed May 12, 2021 7:21 am

cathay747 wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
BOAC flew to Australia via Asia and via the Americas, can’t recite the routes because they were so diverse. They even had a route that didn’t touch Europe, which was Tokyo to Johannesburg via Hong Kong, Colombo, Seychelles and Nairobi, by VC-10.


Ah yes, the TYO-JNB route by VC-10. I always wondered how it was that BOAC kept traffic rights for that old "Empire Route" for so long, given that Japan was never a British colony, and all the rest had gained independence by the jet age (some for a LONG time) except for Seychelles (1976).

The route finished operating with a 747-100, once a week: LHR-ANC-NRT-HKG-CMB-SEZ-JNB-NBO-LHR. I did the HKG-CMB-SEZ sectors in the early 80's.
 
User avatar
eta unknown
Posts: 3035
Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2001 5:03 am

Re: Round the world airlines

Wed May 12, 2021 7:24 am

cedarjet wrote:
If you add Air France and UTA together, you might be able to construct a francophone circumnavigation but I’ll leave that to the experts. For sure UTA flew to Sydney via the Americas and Pacific.


It was possible to go around the world with UTA, but not on the same flight number. Towards the end of UTA: CDG-SIN-CGK-SYD-NOU-AKL-PPT-SFO-CDG
 
fkfnz
Posts: 19
Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:51 am

Re: Round the world airlines

Fri May 21, 2021 2:28 am

Kiwiandrew wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
The NZ service was also 744 round the world equipment, NZ1/2 via LAX and NZ38/39 via HKG. Now they don’t even serve LHR.

Nice to see you back on a.net Mr MASTER. I thought the HK route was 777-200ER?


It started off as 744 then downsized to 772ER before being axed. I flew LHR-HKG-AKL on NZ in early 2009 and it was definitely 744 at that time


It must have changed in 2009 then because I flew AKL-HKG-LHR in October 2009 and it was definitely a 772. I've even got a photo of it at the gate in HKG.
 
User avatar
CrewBunk
Posts: 223
Joined: Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:12 am

Re: Round the world airlines

Sat May 22, 2021 2:39 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Technically UA is still RTW with EWR-DEL-SFO.

I know , I know... It's not the definition you're looking for.


I recall one trip where we flew YYZ-HKG. The flight planning software will plan minimum time track. On this day we flew northeast, north of Norway, across Russia/China to HKG.

24 hours later, HKG-YYZ, we flew northeast again, northern Pacific, Alaska across Canada to YYZ.

Seemed like “around the world” to me. ;)
If you respond with a two page answer, obviously pre-prepared, I’m not going to bother reading it. Odds are, no one else is either!
 
ZK-NBT
Posts: 7896
Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2000 5:42 pm

Re: Round the world airlines

Sun May 23, 2021 2:35 am

fkfnz wrote:
Kiwiandrew wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
Nice to see you back on a.net Mr MASTER. I thought the HK route was 777-200ER?


It started off as 744 then downsized to 772ER before being axed. I flew LHR-HKG-AKL on NZ in early 2009 and it was definitely 744 at that time


It must have changed in 2009 then because I flew AKL-HKG-LHR in October 2009 and it was definitely a 772. I've even got a photo of it at the gate in HKG.


It changed to a 772 in March 2009. Only between June 2007 and October 2008 were both NZ services 744s. LAX was changed to a 772 when the HKG service started in October 2006 and again a 772 between October 2008 and March 2009. LAX got the 744 again until April 2011 when the 77W took over while HKG remained a 772 until it stopped in March 2013.
 
FCOTSTW
Posts: 283
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:14 pm

Re: Round the world airlines

Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:28 pm

TW in the early 70s flew on a 707 BOS/CDG/FCO/TLV/BOM/BKK/HKG/GUM/HNL/LAX/SFO/BOS
 
e38
Posts: 862
Joined: Sun May 04, 2008 10:09 pm

Re: Round the world airlines

Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:28 am

FCOTSTW wrote:
TW in the early 70s flew on a 707 BOS/CDG/FCO/TLV/BOM/BKK/HKG/GUM/HNL/LAX/SFO/BOS


FCOTSTW, while I agree that TWA offered "round-the-world" service, I could not find a continuous flight number that circumvented the globe.

I have no doubt the aircraft continued on a round the world routing, but from TWA's timetable dated April 30, 1972 (from departedflights.com), I found:

Flight 810: Boston-Paris-Rome-Tel Aviv-Bombay-Bangkok; then

Flight 744: Bangkok-Hong Kong-Guam-Honolulu-Los Angeles

Flight 742: Bangkok-Hong Kong-Taipei-Okinawa-Guam-Honolulu-Los Angeles

Flight 50: San Francisco-Los Angeles-Philadelphia-Boston

As you specified, all segments were operated with Boeing 707 equipment.

This was a little different from the famous PA 1 / 2 itineraries.

e38
 
FCOTSTW
Posts: 283
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:14 pm

Re: Round the world airlines

Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:42 pm

e38 wrote:
FCOTSTW wrote:
TW in the early 70s flew on a 707 BOS/CDG/FCO/TLV/BOM/BKK/HKG/GUM/HNL/LAX/SFO/BOS


FCOTSTW, while I agree that TWA offered "round-the-world" service, I could not find a continuous flight number that circumvented the globe.

I have no doubt the aircraft continued on a round the world routing, but from TWA's timetable dated April 30, 1972 (from departedflights.com), I found:

Flight 810: Boston-Paris-Rome-Tel Aviv-Bombay-Bangkok; then

Flight 744: Bangkok-Hong Kong-Guam-Honolulu-Los Angeles

Flight 742: Bangkok-Hong Kong-Taipei-Okinawa-Guam-Honolulu-Los Angeles

Flight 50: San Francisco-Los Angeles-Philadelphia-Boston

As you specified, all segments were operated with Boeing 707 equipment.

This was a little different from the famous PA 1 / 2 itineraries.

e38


Yes, it was TW810/TW811 but please bear in mind that this did not last for a long time, such as PA' s. I might believe it lasted for no longer then four or five years.
 
melpax
Posts: 2136
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:13 am

Re: Round the world airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:57 am

Pre-COVID, QF almost had RTW service, the missing gap was JFK-LHR. But you would have been able to book a codeshare flight on AA or BA on a QF ticket, with a QF flight number.
 
Mortyman
Posts: 5947
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:26 pm

Re: Round the world airlines

Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:16 pm

 
Max Q
Posts: 8990
Joined: Wed May 09, 2001 12:40 pm

Re: Round the world airlines

Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:24 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Technically UA is still RTW with EWR-DEL-SFO.

I know , I know... It's not the definition you're looking for.



In fact EWR-DEL-SFO-EWR or EWR-SFO-DEL-EWR


It is RTW !
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.


GGg
 
User avatar
Spiderguy252
Posts: 1203
Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:58 am

Re: Round the world airlines

Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:06 am

Air India

DEL-SFO (via the Pacific)
SFO-DEL (via the Atlantic)
Vahroone

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Woodreau and 15 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos