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Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Possibility of a Vaccine Mandate

Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:23 am

It is highly likely that US based airlines will soon have a federal vaccine mandate imposed on air travel that will likely replace or go together with the mask mandate. This would likely mean being forced to show proof of vaccination to the TSA prior to gaining access to secure areas of airports. It would also likely entail showing proof prior to employees showing up to work.

US based airlines have been having staffing issues all year long both with their own staff and with contract staff. Many are just starting now to recover and are making plans for further hiring and growth. A vaccine mandate would undoubtedly exacerbate staffing problems as those unwilling to be vaccinated would be fired or unable to legally work. Theres no way currently to know how many airline staff have been vaccinated or not. Given union contracts and time to get compliant, airlines might not even know how many will be lost until whatever the deadline day is. For jobs such as pilots, flight attendants and mechanics, it takes a significant amount of time to hire and train replacements.

Similarly, there will likely be a drop in passenger bookings. If 30-40% of the US population remains non-compliant, that would be a huge percentage of the market that would not be eligible to travel. It wouldn't be a death blow for airlines but it would likely be a hit of some kind. LCCs will likely take the biggest hit as low income Americans have the greatest amount of non-compliance.

Worst case scenario is that airlines are forced to pull back certain routes and need to adjust schedules until staffing recovers. But it could further exacerbate many of the issues that we have been seeing in air travel.
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Re: Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Vaccine Mandate

Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:29 am

I don't see this happening. They already have such problems with people being angered when they enforce the mask mandate on the planes, they don't want that happening in the airports as well. Plus, the TSA is a government agency, people don't want them inspecting what they may feel as "your medical records" whether they are or aren't actually. Plus, local states and municipalities with different views and political ideals would get into this whole big thing about not allowing them to check it.
 
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Re: Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Vaccine Mandate

Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:29 am

What are you basing this take on? Did someone say they are going to require vaccines to fly?
 
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Re: Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Vaccine Mandate

Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:44 am

Two things:

One, the claim that a vaccine requirement to travel is highly speculative, and should be treated as such. The possibility of this as an eventuality is not rooted in fact, and has not been publicly discussed by the US administration or DOT.

Second, as this was posted as an aviation discussion, this should remain an aviation discussion. Political comments should be made in the appropriate thread in the Non Aviation Forum, and any political comments made here will be at risk of deletion.

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Re: Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Vaccine Mandate

Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:48 am

32andBelow wrote:
What are you basing this take on? Did someone say they are going to require vaccines to fly?


Ed Bastian didn't categorically deny the possibility. He said it's "difficult," so "stay tuned."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/03/delta-a ... in-us.html
 
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Re: Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Possibility of a Vaccine Mandate

Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:10 am

I just don't understand the politics against masks and vaccines. None of it is perfect, but until people use both in unison for a few years (yes could have be months, but we all screwed it up), this pandemic will never cease.

International travel wil require both for the forseable future. With variants Delta and Lambada and many more coming up, it's sadly a situation where we need to take abundant caution and hope for the best.
 
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Re: Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Possibility of a Vaccine Mandate

Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:27 am

I just can’t see this happening…. How do they verify EVERYONE??
 
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Re: Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Possibility of a Vaccine Mandate

Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:12 am

There will be no vaccine mandate for domestic travel. Period.
 
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Re: Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Vaccine Mandate

Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:18 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
Two things:

One, the claim that a vaccine requirement to travel is highly speculative, and should be treated as such. The possibility of this as an eventuality is not rooted in fact, and has not been publicly discussed by the US administration or DOT.

Second, as this was posted as an aviation discussion, this should remain an aviation discussion. Political comments should be made in the appropriate thread in the Non Aviation Forum, and any political comments made here will be at risk of deletion.

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Not trying to be a jerk but is this really a real rule or a mod misinterpretation of a rule? It seems to me when the politics is 100% aviation related it should not have to be moved to another forum? Lets say, like when discussion the politics of an airport expansion, or industry regulation (which this would be). I certainly understand and want to keep off topic, non-related political ad-hominen attacks off.
 
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Re: Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Possibility of a Vaccine Mandate

Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:06 pm

0newair0 wrote:
There will be no vaccine mandate for domestic travel. Period.

I hope not.
 
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Re: Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Vaccine Mandate

Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:34 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
Not trying to be a jerk but is this really a real rule or a mod misinterpretation of a rule? It seems to me when the politics is 100% aviation related it should not have to be moved to another forum? Lets say, like when discussion the politics of an airport expansion, or industry regulation (which this would be). I certainly understand and want to keep off topic, non-related political ad-hominen attacks off.


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1. As some aviation topics relate to politics, political statements related to aviation are permitted, provided the political discussion is merely to provide context to the discussion. Political commentary without aviation context, with the purpose of being inflammatory or injecting political bias, or comments which are fundamentally a political discussion will be removed in all aviation forums. Political commentary must serve a purpose in aviation forums.
2. Political discussion unrelated to aviation, or aviation topics primarily rooted in politics are limited to the Non-Aviation Forum.


My warning was directed at political comments of a non aviation nature. For reasons unknown to most sensible people, the subject of vaccinations has become massively political. Therefore, that argument should not bleed into the aviation side of the forums.

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Re: Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Possibility of a Vaccine Mandate

Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:36 pm

Ok got it thanks, I guess I was reading to much into your comments.
 
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Re: Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Possibility of a Vaccine Mandate

Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:25 pm

0newair0 wrote:
There will be no vaccine mandate for domestic travel. Period.

I hope you're right but the trend is going in the other direction and I personally think it's just a matter of time.
 
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Re: Airline Staffing, Passenger Loads and Possibility of a Vaccine Mandate

Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:34 am

AIRLINE STAFFING

With the difficulties NK is having lately... could their difficulties be a harbinger to the Airline Industry in regards to compensation.

With jobs readily available right now (theoretically) especially in the airline industry, why would anyone work as an outsourced contract worker rather than a direct employee unless pay, or pay and compensation were far better than working direct?

Possibly during the remaining summer season it might be beneficial for airlines who outsource to supply BASIC airline needs might want to do everything in their power in the interest of employee retention with the service companies, as OUTSOURCED COMPANY A right now is not the only game in town.

Maybe this could include useless airline passes on full flights etc from the airlines.

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