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Geminijets101
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Shortest lived hubs

Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:04 pm

What are the shortest lived hubs, focus cities of bases an airline has had (something like United at Cleveland wouldn’t count as they got Cleveland through continental).
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:46 am

SY made PDX a focus city in 2019 with multiple destinations and a pilot base. Then they closed up shop in PDX when the pandemic came around and now they just run a seasonal flight to MSP, with no sign that they will rebuild it post-pandemic. I believe they may have had 6 or 7 destinations out of PDX back then, that they ran for under a year before pulling the plug.
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:52 am

Didn't America West have a hub at CMH for a short time? I think US Air tried a brief attempt at a TPA hub.
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:53 am

GSO for CALite?
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:46 am

DAY for Piedmont, COS for Pacific Western. Both airports mothballed a concourse when the hub closed.
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:18 pm

AA's SJC experiment lasted from only 1989-1993. Definitely one of the shortest-lived in my memory in the state.
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:22 pm

TWA - ATL
Piedmont - EWR
USAir - CLE, IND, MCI, CMH?
Eastern - MCI
Eastern - IAH, ORD (Moonlight Only)
Pan Am - IAD
America West - LAS
United - MCO, MIA
Delta - MCO
Midway - RDU
Braniff - MCI
Midwest Express - OMA
Air South - CAE
Air Atlanta - ATL
Alaska - LGB
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:18 am

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
GSO for CALite?


No, that lasted longer that Skybus in GSO and CMH
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:01 am

Here are some more that I came up with off the top of my head . . .

California Pacific - CLD
PEOPLExpress (2014) - PHF
Florida Express - MCO
Vanguard - MCI
Air1 - STL
Kiwi International - EWR
Midway / Metrolink - MDW
Midway (1993-2003) - MDW, RDU
Presidential - IAD, DCA
McClain - STL
Eastwind - TTN, GSO
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:37 pm

TWA -SJU
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:13 pm

New York Air at RDU.
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:00 am

NW dca
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:58 pm

afcjets wrote:
TWA - ATL
Piedmont - EWR
USAir - CLE, IND, MCI, CMH?
Eastern - MCI
Eastern - IAH, ORD (Moonlight Only)
Pan Am - IAD
America West - LAS
United - MCO, MIA
Delta - MCO
Midway - RDU
Braniff - MCI
Midwest Express - OMA
Air South - CAE
Air Atlanta - ATL
Alaska - LGB


RDU for NYAir comes to mind. With AS at LGB, was that post-SI acquisition? Did they fly LBG-PDX/SEA and DFW/ORD?
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:51 pm

seat1a wrote:
afcjets wrote:
TWA - ATL
Piedmont - EWR
USAir - CLE, IND, MCI, CMH?
Eastern - MCI
Eastern - IAH, ORD (Moonlight Only)
Pan Am - IAD
America West - LAS
United - MCO, MIA
Delta - MCO
Midway - RDU
Braniff - MCI
Midwest Express - OMA
Air South - CAE
Air Atlanta - ATL
Alaska - LGB


RDU for NYAir comes to mind. With AS at LGB, was that post-SI acquisition? Did they fly LBG-PDX/SEA and DFW/ORD?


Actually I don't know who SI is. They flew to SEA but not PDX nonstop at least according to the schedule below. It wasn't a hub but a focus city which the TA also wanted to include. Only 12 jet flights per day in July, 1990 but since they consider PDX a "hub", I think they would definitely have considered LGB a focus city.

LGB-SJC 5x
LGB-SFO 4x
LGB-SEA 1x
LGB-BUR 1x
LGB-ONT 1x

http://www.departedflights.com/AS070190p6.html
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:09 am

afcjets wrote:
seat1a wrote:
afcjets wrote:
TWA - ATL
Piedmont - EWR
USAir - CLE, IND, MCI, CMH?
Eastern - MCI
Eastern - IAH, ORD (Moonlight Only)
Pan Am - IAD
America West - LAS
United - MCO, MIA
Delta - MCO
Midway - RDU
Braniff - MCI
Midwest Express - OMA
Air South - CAE
Air Atlanta - ATL
Alaska - LGB


RDU for NYAir comes to mind. With AS at LGB, was that post-SI acquisition? Did they fly LBG-PDX/SEA and DFW/ORD?


Actually I don't know who SI is. They flew to SEA but not PDX nonstop at least according to the schedule below. It wasn't a hub but a focus city which the TA also wanted to include. Only 12 jet flights per day in July, 1990 but since they consider PDX a "hub", I think they would definitely have considered LGB a focus city.

LGB-SJC 5x
LGB-SFO 4x
LGB-SEA 1x
LGB-BUR 1x
LGB-ONT 1x

http://www.departedflights.com/AS070190p6.html


Check! SI was Jet America's code. Forgive me I presumed folks knew that! Nice hub for sure.
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:37 am

seat1a wrote:
afcjets wrote:
seat1a wrote:

RDU for NYAir comes to mind. With AS at LGB, was that post-SI acquisition? Did they fly LBG-PDX/SEA and DFW/ORD?


Actually I don't know who SI is. They flew to SEA but not PDX nonstop at least according to the schedule below. It wasn't a hub but a focus city which the TA also wanted to include. Only 12 jet flights per day in July, 1990 but since they consider PDX a "hub", I think they would definitely have considered LGB a focus city.

LGB-SJC 5x
LGB-SFO 4x
LGB-SEA 1x
LGB-BUR 1x
LGB-ONT 1x

http://www.departedflights.com/AS070190p6.html


Check! SI was Jet America's code. Forgive me I presumed folks knew that! Nice hub for sure.


You're right, it was a Jet America hub! That's why I love a.net.

Actually you can also add Jet America's LAS hub to the list too.

"In the summer of 1986, Jet America was operating a small hub at the Las Vegas McCarran International Airport (LAS) with nonstop jet service to Burbank (BUR), Chicago (ORD), Dallas/Ft. Worth (DFW), Long Beach (LGB), Milwaukee (MKE), Ontario (ONT), Orange County (SNA) and St. Louis (STL) as well as direct one stop flights to Detroit (DTW) and Washington, D.C. (DCA)."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_America_Airlines
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:48 am

Heh, ViaAir at AUS... what a joke of an airline.
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:15 pm

Western Pacific at Colorado Springs. Anyone have exact dates on that one?
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:14 pm

graceintheair wrote:
I think US Air tried a brief attempt at a TPA hub.


By using the old-school definition of a hub (greater than 50 departures), TPA would have qualified as a hub, but I tend to think of the operation more as a large focus. MCO had a similar network profile as well for US during this time. No doubt US was the #1 airline at TPA pre-WN, and Airside F was a happening place during that time.
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:56 pm

This postcard shows a bunch of Braniff II B727s and BAC 1-11s at their Terminal B hub at MCI. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braniff_(1983-1990) :
By 1988, Braniff had chosen Kansas City International Airport (MCI) as its main hub and was operating over 70 flights per day out of Kansas City.
Braniff II suspended schedule flights on November 6,1989 so this was a short-lived hub.

Also, some interesting newspaper articles on the Braniff II MCI Hub:
-From the Orlando Sentinel on August 2,1988 talking about Braniff II reducing their MCO hub and concentrating on the MCI hub. Also discusses the impact on Braniff II employees. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1988-08-02-0060030284-story.html
-From the same paper on September 3,1989 talking about how Braniff II is trying to emulate the Piedmont Hub at CLT and how it acquired the Eastern's MCI gates after they pulled out in 1988.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1989-09-03-8903010317-story.html

Image
Source: Avery Postcards CP5626 Published: 1990

P.S. CO B727 taking off
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:52 pm

Does United mini-hub use be in PIT? Not too sure.

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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:32 pm

In terms of shortest, I think Air LA and its mini-hub at Bakersfield (BFL) - yes, BFL - lasted less time than one could purchase tickets. But on one of their scheduled timetables, most of their flights connected at BFL.

Not bad for an airport that EVERYONE has abandoned at one time.
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:07 am

Continental Lite at Greensboro anyone?
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:23 am

Maybe I'm wrong but Virgin America at DAL I remember as being short (was it even a hub?)
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:34 pm

How long did DH last as a stand-alone carrier? 18 months? Their hub at IAD is surely one of the shortest-lived.
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:02 pm

SkyVoice wrote:
Here are some more that I came up with off the top of my head . . .

California Pacific - CLD
PEOPLExpress (2014) - PHF
Florida Express - MCO
Vanguard - MCI
Air1 - STL
Kiwi International - EWR
Midway / Metrolink - MDW
Midway (1993-2003) - MDW, RDU
Presidential - IAD, DCA
McClain - STL
Eastwind - TTN, GSO

I would argue none of those count, as it was the airline that was short-lived. Indeed these were arguably long-lived hubs, in the sense that they lasted for the airline’s entire life!
 
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Re: Shortest lived hubs

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:21 am

Does America West had small hub in Wichita, KS? I remembered saw schedule ICT-DCA nonstop A320.

ICT-LAS, ICT-PHX, ICT-DCA ICT-LAX? Not sure others. I have to find OAG pocket book in my storage.


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