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UA4543 PVD-EWR — why is it canceled so often?
What is with United (GoJet) flight 4543 from PVD-EWR, from how it looks it gets cancelled more than it does fly. There has to be a good reason for this as it seems so unreliable.
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Re: UA4543 PVD-EWR — why is it canceled so often?
O23 wrote:What is with United (GoJet) flight 4543 from PVD-EWR, from how it looks it gets cancelled more than it does fly. There has to be a good reason for this as it seems so unreliable.
How often is it cancelled? Can you provide a link or source, please?
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Re: UA4543 PVD-EWR — why is it canceled so often?
Runway construction
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Yes. Runway 4R/22L closed until the end of September. Adverse weather can further reduce the arrival rate, so UA proactively cancels flights to salvage as much of the operation as it can. The short hauls are first to go.
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FlyHossD wrote:O23 wrote:What is with United (GoJet) flight 4543 from PVD-EWR, from how it looks it gets cancelled more than it does fly. There has to be a good reason for this as it seems so unreliable.
How often is it cancelled? Can you provide a link or source, please?
According to FlightAware, it has been cancelled six of the past twelve days, including the last four days in a row. It has already been pre-cancelled for tomorrow, according to the same source.
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Yes, I used flightaware, you can see how much it is cancelled on there
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They should just scrub it until it can operate reasonably reliably. A majority of pax. must be connecting at EWR as it enters a sizeable bank of flights all over the UA system. You'd be nuts to depend on that flight.
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MO11 wrote:Yes. Runway 4R/22L closed until the end of September. Adverse weather can further reduce the arrival rate, so UA proactively cancels flights to salvage as much of the operation as it can. The short hauls are first to go.
If they can't shoot the visual to 29, all arrivals must share 4L/22R with departures..... everything on one runway.
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lat41 wrote:They should just scrub it until it can operate reasonably reliably. A majority of pax. must be connecting at EWR as it enters a sizeable bank of flights all over the UA system. You'd be nuts to depend on that flight.
BDL is my home airport, and when UA used to operate BDL-EWR, I always wondered why they even bothered. Nobody only going between CT/NJ is going to bother to fly, so it'd have to be all connections, and and EWR ATC being what it is, the delay/cancel rate on that flight was insane.
Every now and then, I'd have a friend or coworker mention that they were connecting in EWR on the way to wherever - I'd wish them the best of luck.
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There was another United Express flight a few years ago, I think an afternoon PIT-EWR frequency, that delayed or canceled almost every day. I stopped using EWR a long time ago. Apart from UA's literary and profuse explanations for why flights were delayed (crew issues, problems catering the plane, problems loading bags, a cargo pallet opened and spilled bananas all over the tarmac, jet bridge malfunction, or some other creative operational issue) the airport itself remains delay prone even in the best of weather. Hopefully the runway improvements being made and the new terminal will help reduce the operational bottlenecks there, which seem to accrue more often and cascade quickly more than LGA or JFK. They each have their challenges, but EWR always seems to have some sort of issue or problem that outdoes the other 2.
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I think UA's reliability plus being primarily CRJs is part of the reason Delta is back to 100% pre Covid at PVD after having just reentered the market in April (and was the #1 DL station in terms of load factor in May)
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This brings back to mind those zombie flights in the UA schedule back when they were winding down Colgan.
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Cory6188 wrote:and EWR ATC being what it is
Exactly what does that mean?
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IAHFLYR wrote:Cory6188 wrote:and EWR ATC being what it is
Exactly what does that mean?
EWR is chronically overcongested, so it has perennial delays that due to volume constraints. Not a knock on their ATC, more a reflection on the congestion delays in the New York area.
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Cory6188 wrote:IAHFLYR wrote:Cory6188 wrote:and EWR ATC being what it is
Exactly what does that mean?
EWR is chronically overcongested, so it has perennial delays that due to volume constraints. Not a knock on their ATC, more a reflection on the congestion delays in the New York area.
Then how about making the point with the congestion rather than "EWR ATC being what it is" if not a knock on ATC?
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IAHFLYR wrote:Cory6188 wrote:IAHFLYR wrote:
Exactly what does that mean?
EWR is chronically overcongested, so it has perennial delays that due to volume constraints. Not a knock on their ATC, more a reflection on the congestion delays in the New York area.
Then how about making the point with the congestion rather than "EWR ATC being what it is" if not a knock on ATC?
As a third party with no dog in this fight, I found the reference perfectly clear and non-pejorative when it was made a month ago. Saying "Mount Everest being what it is" isn't a knock on Mount Everest. It's just a statement of something being...well, extant and with a known set of parameters.
We don't get to write each other's posts, but I've taken this entire thread to basically be a discussion about how facility limitations cause operational impacts at Newark. The same thing tends to happen at other airports where scheduling is tight; the delays and cancellations tend to impact the shortest regional flights worst. EWR just happens to be scheduled closest to its practical limitations given runways and airspace ("ATC") capacity.
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ScottB wrote:FlyHossD wrote:O23 wrote:What is with United (GoJet) flight 4543 from PVD-EWR, from how it looks it gets cancelled more than it does fly. There has to be a good reason for this as it seems so unreliable.
How often is it cancelled? Can you provide a link or source, please?
According to FlightAware, it has been cancelled six of the past twelve days, including the last four days in a row. It has already been pre-cancelled for tomorrow, according to the same source.
How do the passengers get re-accommodated when it gets cancelled that many days in a row.
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They probably just get accommodated on an IAD flight or an ORD flight, only concern with IAD in particular (sometimes ORD) is when these cancellations were happening (they’re not much anymore) is that all of the flights to IAD were on CRJ-200’s so I’m sure there weren’t too many seats available
Re: UA4543 PVD-EWR — why is it canceled so often?
They probably just get accommodated on an IAD flight or an ORD flight, only concern with IAD in particular (sometimes ORD) is when these cancellations were happening (they’re not much anymore) is that all of the flights to IAD were on CRJ-200’s so I’m sure there weren’t too many seats available
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