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Captaincurious
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757 Survival

Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:23 pm

Just wonder if the 757 is supported by some military program and survive until now, like the 767, will it get a lot of orders from cargo operators like the 767?
 
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CarlosSi
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Re: 757 Survival

Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:29 pm

Hahahah, oh boy you have now idea what you have unleashed.

Curiosity killed the curious.

To your defense before anybody blows up on you, you probably aren’t mature enough in aviation-esque to be aware that the 757 hasn’t been in production since 2004. It’s not going to get revived. You’ll get the full picture the longer you dig in eventually.

Great plane. Sadly (like all airplanes eventually) it was limited edition and didn’t get an upgrade.
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Re: 757 Survival

Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:29 pm

No there isn’t a military version of a 757 and the 757 line was removed and tooling destroyed and hasn’t been built in years.
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:37 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
No there isn’t a military version of a 757 and the 757 line was removed and tooling destroyed and hasn’t been built in years.


Your statement is factually incorrect. The 89th Air Wing at Andrews operates a squadron of newer-build C-32's, which is the military derivative and airframe and powerplant equivalent of the 757-200.

A commonwealth country, New Zealand, operates at least one military version.
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:22 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
No there isn’t a military version of a 757
...

And there's absolutely no such thing as a C-32.
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:53 pm

MO11 wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
No there isn’t a military version of a 757
...

And there's absolutely no such thing as a C-32.


Touche
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:28 pm

They briefly considered the 757 as a P-3 Orion replacement under the P-7 program. The alternative were a modified P-3 or a variant of the MD-90; in the end, they chose the modified P-3, before the program was cancelled due to cost overruns.
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:31 pm

MO11 wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
No there isn’t a military version of a 757
...

And there's absolutely no such thing as a C-32.


They added some military kit—IFF/SIF, UHF radio, and an BBJ STC’d interior. I’m not sure that’s all that military version, the KC-10 was far more militarized.
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:09 am

MO11 wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
No there isn’t a military version of a 757
...

And there's absolutely no such thing as a C-32.

A C32 is a VIP Transport for POTUS, and other executive branch members. It’s not a combat plane

And there is one that is a combi. Passengers and Cargo.

“ The Boeing C-32 is the United States Air Force designation for variants of the Boeing 757 in military service. Two variants currently exist, filling different parts of the military passenger transport role. The C-32A serves the Special Air Mission role, providing executive transport and broad communications capabilities to senior political officials, while the C-32B Gatekeeper provides clandestine airlift to special operations and global emergency response efforts.”

“ the C-32A are the vice president of the United States (using the call sign "Air Force Two" when aboard), the first lady, and the secretary of state. On rare occasions, other members of the president's Cabinet and members of Congress have flown aboard the C-32A for various missions. The aircraft also occasionally serves as Air Force One in place of the larger VC-25A when the president is traveling to domestic destinations that cannot accommodate the larger Boeing 747-derived presidential plane”

And there are only 6 in total four C32As and two C32Bs.
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:04 pm

MO11 wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
No there isn’t a military version of a 757
...

And there's absolutely no such thing as a C-32.


There most certainly is

C-32 – The United States Air Force operates six 757-200s under the designation C-32. Four are VIP-configured C-32A variants, whose mission is primarily transport of the Vice President of the United States, First Lady, and Secretary of State. The C-32As are powered by the Pratt & Whitney PW2000, and outfitted with a communication center, conference room, seating area, and private living quarters. The USAF also operates two 45-seat Rolls-Royce powered 757-200 aircraft, designated C-32B Gatekeeper, which provides airlift to special operations units and global emergency response teams. The C-32Bs are outfitted for any contingency, with an advanced communications suite, aerial refueling capabilities, extended fuel tanks, and an internal airstair. The C-32As are painted in the Raymond Loewy-designed blue and white livery used on most Special Air Mission aircraft, while the C-32Bs are painted gloss white with minimal identification markings. The first C-32s were acquired in 1998 and replaced C-137 Stratoliner transports.
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:41 am

Boof02671 wrote:
No there isn’t a military version of a 757 and the 757 line was removed and tooling destroyed and hasn’t been built in years.


Actually if I'm not mistaken the tooling for the 757 still exists; it's just locked away somewhere. I may be mistaking it for a different aircraft though (was it the DC10? Gosh that can't be right!). Somebody indicated this somewhere deep in this forum.

Regardless, it's not going to be brought back and doesn't make much sense to me why they'd keep the stuff around.
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:19 am

CarlosSi wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
No there isn’t a military version of a 757 and the 757 line was removed and tooling destroyed and hasn’t been built in years.


Actually if I'm not mistaken the tooling for the 757 still exists; it's just locked away somewhere. I may be mistaking it for a different aircraft though (was it the DC10? Gosh that can't be right!). Somebody indicated this somewhere deep in this forum.

Regardless, it's not going to be brought back and doesn't make much sense to me why they'd keep the stuff around.

Nope Boeing destroyed all the jigs, fixtures and tooling.
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:51 am

CarlosSi wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
No there isn’t a military version of a 757 and the 757 line was removed and tooling destroyed and hasn’t been built in years.


Actually if I'm not mistaken the tooling for the 757 still exists; it's just locked away somewhere. I may be mistaking it for a different aircraft though (was it the DC10? Gosh that can't be right!). Somebody indicated this somewhere deep in this forum.

Regardless, it's not going to be brought back and doesn't make much sense to me why they'd keep the stuff around.

viewtopic.php?t=605727
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:08 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
No there isn’t a military version of a 757 and the 757 line was removed and tooling destroyed and hasn’t been built in years.


Actually if I'm not mistaken the tooling for the 757 still exists; it's just locked away somewhere. I may be mistaking it for a different aircraft though (was it the DC10? Gosh that can't be right!). Somebody indicated this somewhere deep in this forum.

Regardless, it's not going to be brought back and doesn't make much sense to me why they'd keep the stuff around.

viewtopic.php?t=605727

Nah that wasn’t it.

Might’ve been another old design that a user commented on a couple years ago that it’s tooling still exists in storage. Regardless yeah, it’s not coming back
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:16 pm

Oh boy oh boy....

Now, several topics have been discussed very similar to this. Just go ahead and look 'em up if your bored. Sometimes reading old threads could answer questions you currently have, as I have found out.
It's ok to ask questions! That's what this forum is about. However, I would recommend doing a little more research before posting next time :) The topic which you outlined has been beaten to death several times, and it may annoy other users. We came to a conclusion a while ago that the beauty sadly won't come back.

-Boeing757100



(now there was a megathread last year about a 757-"Plus" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:33 am

General question, would the 757 make a good fit with Eastern? For example, in a configuration similar to Delta's 75S (First: 16, Comfort: 44, Main: 108) for Miami to Asuncion, Montevideo, LaPaz, Brasilia, Lima, perhaps Buenos Aires? Just curious. Thank you!
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:45 am

VDemerest wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
No there isn’t a military version of a 757 and the 757 line was removed and tooling destroyed and hasn’t been built in years.


Your statement is factually incorrect. The 89th Air Wing at Andrews operates a squadron of newer-build C-32's, which is the military derivative and airframe and powerplant equivalent of the 757-200.

A commonwealth country, New Zealand, operates at least one military version.


The RNZAF operate 2 752s, they can carry PAX or freight on the main deck. I wouldn't exactly call them a military version.


https://www.nzdf.mil.nz/air-force/capab ... g-757-2k2/
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:53 am

seat1a wrote:
General question, would the 757 make a good fit with Eastern? For example, in a configuration similar to Delta's 75S (First: 16, Comfort: 44, Main: 108) for Miami to Asuncion, Montevideo, LaPaz, Brasilia, Lima, perhaps Buenos Aires? Just curious. Thank you!


I guess so, EAL was, with BA, the launch customer.
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:55 pm

Interestingly, when QF was setting up its JetStar division, Boeing brought the 757 and not the 737 as a demonstrator (noting QF already had a 737 fleet). Airbus brought the A321 (IIRC) and they went with a A320/321 fleet.

It would have been interesting to see how a 737/757 fleet purchase may have played out.
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:16 pm

I wouldn’t call a “commercial off the shelf” aircraft a military variant. The KC-10 is a military variant doing a different mission than the DC-10. A 757 with a specialized BBJ interior is just a BBJ. There are loads of “state” aircraft flown by military crews, in government missions that are still COTS. Police helicopters, bizjets, BBJs, for example.
 
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Re: 757 Survival

Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:12 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
I wouldn’t call a “commercial off the shelf” aircraft a military variant. The KC-10 is a military variant doing a different mission than the DC-10. A 757 with a specialized BBJ interior is just a BBJ. There are loads of “state” aircraft flown by military crews, in government missions that are still COTS. Police helicopters, bizjets, BBJs, for example.


Eh, I would hardly call the VC-25 "commercial off the shelf" and the C-32 has many, though not all, of that airplane's features.

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