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Smallest city getting regular 777/A350 service

Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:13 pm

What's the smallest city getting regularly scheduled 777/A350 service? And for bonus points, whats the smallest city pair (sum of the two cities population) getting such service. And for gold colored bonus points, what's the answer if you exclude small islands?

City size by population served, so probably metro area population. Passenger aircraft.
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Re: Smallest city getting regular 777/A350 service

Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:15 pm

This will get messy and pedantic unless you provide some qualifiers. As in, metro population vs city population. Small island defined by square mileage? Small island by population?

Etc.
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:19 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
This will get messy and pedantic unless you provide some qualifiers. As in, metro population vs city population. Small island defined by square mileage? Small island by population?

Also, may want to clarify whether pax or any?

....probably some obscure cargo port in an otherwise small population center, that receives a 777F periodically.
 
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Re: Smallest city getting regular 777/A350 service

Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:22 pm

Male, Maldives has a population of around 150,000 and it gets multiple 777/350s daily. Technically the airport isn’t even on Male island. The Island that it’s on has a population of less than 60,000.

If you exclude small islands Helsinki might be one of the smallest. Only around 650,000. QR also flew its A350 a few times a week to Gabarone, Botswana, population around 250,000. Don’t know whether that’s still operating.
 
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Re: Smallest city getting regular 777/A350 service

Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:36 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
This will get messy and pedantic unless you provide some qualifiers. As in, metro population vs city population. Small island defined by square mileage? Small island by population?

Etc.


Edited. Thanks.

Metro area population. Otherwise someone's going to write about the City of London and it's 9000 residents. Passenger aircraft!
 
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Re: Smallest city getting regular 777/A350 service

Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:39 pm

3rdGen wrote:
Male, Maldives has a population of around 150,000 and it gets multiple 777/350s daily. Technically the airport isn’t even on Male island. The Island that it’s on has a population of less than 60,000.

If you exclude small islands Helsinki might be one of the smallest. Only around 650,000. QR also flew its A350 a few times a week to Gabarone, Botswana, population around 250,000. Don’t know whether that’s still operating.


Helsinki is a good answer. Helsinki, Perth, and Tel Aviv are sort of like islands in that if you want to go to the next big city you're getting on a plane and not driving or taking a train.
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:52 pm

3rdGen wrote:
Male, Maldives has a population of around 150,000 and it gets multiple 777/350s daily. Technically the airport isn’t even on Male island. The Island that it’s on has a population of less than 60,000.


Grand Cayman has a bit under 70,000 and gets 777s to LHR/NAS. Nassau has ~275,000 so as a city pair that'd be just under 350K.

St. Kitts is even smaller, with ~35,000 and 777s to LGW.

Ah, even smaller, we have Providenciales, with 25,000, connected with a 777 to Antigua with 96,000 on the island.

Bonaire is smaller yet with 20,000 and 77W service to AMS.
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:54 pm

kitplane01 wrote:
3rdGen wrote:
Male, Maldives has a population of around 150,000 and it gets multiple 777/350s daily. Technically the airport isn’t even on Male island. The Island that it’s on has a population of less than 60,000.

If you exclude small islands Helsinki might be one of the smallest. Only around 650,000. QR also flew its A350 a few times a week to Gabarone, Botswana, population around 250,000. Don’t know whether that’s still operating.


Helsinki is a good answer. Helsinki, Perth, and Tel Aviv are sort of like islands in that if you want to go to the next big city you're getting on a plane and not driving or taking a train.


By metro population they're at 1.5m (granted, that's from wiki).

Still from random wiki-ing of smaller US cities that see/saw 777/350/787 service that would be somewhat small.
Raleigh has a metro pop of 1.4m (again, per wiki), and pre-covid had a 777 service on RDU-LHR.
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:58 pm

3rdGen wrote:
If you exclude small islands Helsinki might be one of the smallest. Only around 650,000.


I think the metro population works better here. Technically, the HEL airport is not in Helsinki but in neighbouring Vantaa, a city and municipality inside the Helsinki metro area (pop 1,2m )

Krabi (KBV) could be the winner, pop 80,000 (district). Finnair have the seasonal HEL-KBV service with A350.
 
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Re: Smallest city getting regular 777/A350 service

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:13 pm

Nadi, Fiji seems to have a population of about 50,000.

Fun fact: I've flown HEL-LAX-NAN-LAX-HEL, all on A350s.
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:30 pm

OGG has got to be in the running whether looking at cities or something bigger. Kahului has about 25,000 people, Maui County about 170,000.
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:36 pm

Not an island...
When PY had an operational 777, I would guess PBM would have been on there. Suriname's population is approx. 580K. Population of Paramaribo is about 50% of that to 260K. PY flew their 777 between PBM and AMS.
Unfortunately (or fortunately) not it's an Air Belgium A340-300.
KL also runs the route but I believe with an A330, not a 777.

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Re: Smallest city getting regular 777/A350 service

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:52 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
OGG has got to be in the running whether looking at cities or something bigger. Kahului has about 25,000 people, Maui County about 170,000.

KOA gets 777. Smaller than OGG?
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:53 pm

ScottB wrote:
3rdGen wrote:
Male, Maldives has a population of around 150,000 and it gets multiple 777/350s daily. Technically the airport isn’t even on Male island. The Island that it’s on has a population of less than 60,000.


Grand Cayman has a bit under 70,000 and gets 777s to LHR/NAS. Nassau has ~275,000 so as a city pair that'd be just under 350K.

St. Kitts is even smaller, with ~35,000 and 777s to LGW.

Ah, even smaller, we have Providenciales, with 25,000, connected with a 777 to Antigua with 96,000 on the island.

Bonaire is smaller yet with 20,000 and 77W service to AMS.


Yes, there's quite a few smaller Caribbean "cities" with 777 service to Europe...
 
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Re: Smallest city getting regular 777/A350 service

Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:11 pm

EK flies the 777 to LCA, which has a population of ~50,000.
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:57 pm

I know Ontario, CA technically isn't a small city, but it does have just the one service by CI to TPE on the A350/77W, with LAX closeby taking most of the traffic.
In terms of smallest city though I'd think of any Caribbean islands linked to BA, they have dedicated flights there from LGW I believe.
 
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Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:28 am

Avarua on the island of Rarotonga, Cook islands ( population of main settlement Avarua: 4906 / Total population of Rarotonga 13007 ): Air New zealand Boeing 777-200 and Boeing 787
 
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Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:33 am

City pair - does SYD-CBR count? Pre-covid to get around Australian bilateral QR was flying DOH-SYD-CBR with 77W. Only about 240km, but couldn’t be sold as a separate flight.

Combined with SQ, rather limited international services for a national capital for a country the size of AU.
 
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Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:44 am

ilovepabst wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
OGG has got to be in the running whether looking at cities or something bigger. Kahului has about 25,000 people, Maui County about 170,000.

KOA gets 777. Smaller than OGG?


This gets complex with the lack of “true” cities in Hawaii, but Kalaoa is smaller than Kahului; Hawaii County is a bit more populous than Maui County.
 
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Re: Smallest city getting regular 777/A350 service

Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:44 am

Does the A330 count? Ushuaia, Tierra del Fuego, Argentina. USH. Gets AR A330’s from EZE several times a week, sometimes twice a day. A few years ago, AR 744’s. Pop. a little over 50000.
A321? To BAL, Balmaceda, Chile, pop. 500. Towns in both Alaska and northern Canada with less than 500 people get AS 737’s or Canadian North, or Air Yukon, etc, 737’s.
Same in Greenland, A330 /Kangerlussuaq ( sondre stromfjord), pop. 500.
 
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Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:54 am

Cayenne has an urban population of roughly 125,000 and has regular 777 and A350 flights to Paris.
 
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Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:02 am

Conakry (CKY) is a bit bigger with 1.6 million residents, but is very poor and obscure but sees 777s from AF and EK, as well as a B788/A359 from ET. Found it interesting, especially seeing how the airport only has 2 passenger gates.
 
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Re: Smallest city getting regular 777/A350 service

Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:02 am

Liberia in Costa Rica, with a population of approximately 50.000, gets KLM’s 777/787 on a triangular route AMS-SJO-LIR-AMS, SJO-LIR being a 18-20 mins flight. However, local pax from Liberia are not the main target of this flight, but tourists to/from Europe, and some originating pax in SJO. Also, TUI used to fly pre-COVID, from LGW with its 787.
 
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Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:04 am

Djibouti has a national population of 970,000 and had (pre-Covid) a nightly Air France A340. Airport is tiny. I transited off a Fly Bosnia A320 onto a Daallo Il-18 along with 109 others and it felt crowded. Just the thought of an A340’s worth crammed in there made me feel anxious.
 
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Re: Smallest city getting regular 777/A350 service

Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:31 am

Christchurch, NZ, with a population of approximately 381,000, was getting an Emirates A380 precovid.
 
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Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:06 pm

WTB gets CX 748F, 77W, A350s, population of 295.
 
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Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:39 pm

aa1818 wrote:
Not an island...
When PY had an operational 777, I would guess PBM would have been on there. Suriname's population is approx. 580K. Population of Paramaribo is about 50% of that to 260K. PY flew their 777 between PBM and AMS.
Unfortunately (or fortunately) not it's an Air Belgium A340-300.
KL also runs the route but I believe with an A330, not a 777.

AA1818


Well you should look just over the border, CAY receives up to 3 WB a day from Paris (2 77E et 1 359) with a metro pop of 135K and under 300K for the whole French Guiana.

To me, the most impressive would be PTP (metro 200K, Island 380K ) and FDF (metro 150K, Island 380K) which each receive up to 9 daily wb from Paris during high season (up to 3 of them each being flown with AF's high density 77W). In fact, correct me if I'm wrong but ORY-PTP actually shows up in the transatlantic routes TOP10 in terms of passenger flown each year).
 
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Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:07 pm

Would put in (bad pun here, sorry) Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky: daily 77W service from Moscow at ~180'000 inhabitants seems a fair deal to be way up in this ranking.

PA12 wrote:
Same in Greenland, A330 /Kangerlussuaq ( sondre stromfjord), pop. 500.

Good one! Even if you count the whole population Greenland, it's still way up 8-)
 
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Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:10 pm

St Maarten's Island. Used to get B747, A340. I think I have AirItalia's 777 there too.
 
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Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:38 am

kitplane01 wrote:
What's the smallest city getting regularly scheduled 777/A350 service? And for bonus points, whats the smallest city pair (sum of the two cities population) getting such service. And for gold colored bonus points, what's the answer if you exclude small islands?

City size by population served, so probably metro area population. Passenger aircraft.



ASP :)
 
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Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:58 am

zeke wrote:
WTB gets CX 748F, 77W, A350s, population of 295.


If we're going down that road may as well add:

SYD in Mascot, NSW (pop 14,772)
MEL in Tullamarine, VIC (pop 6,605)
 
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vhqpa wrote:
zeke wrote:
WTB gets CX 748F, 77W, A350s, population of 295.


If we're going down that road may as well add:

SYD in Mascot, NSW (pop 14,772)
MEL in Tullamarine, VIC (pop 6,605)


Don’t think you have been to WTB to make a comment like that, there is nothing about. Have a look at a satellite photo.
 
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Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:10 pm

zeke wrote:
vhqpa wrote:
zeke wrote:
WTB gets CX 748F, 77W, A350s, population of 295.


If we're going down that road may as well add:

SYD in Mascot, NSW (pop 14,772)
MEL in Tullamarine, VIC (pop 6,605)


Don’t think you have been to WTB to make a comment like that, there is nothing about. Have a look at a satellite photo.


I get your point, one could argue it's on the extreme outer edge of Toowoomba. Admittedly at 20 km it's further out than I thought when I made that post. I thought it was around 10-12 km. But then even if you counted it as Toowoomba it probably still qualifies at ~135k
 
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Re: Smallest city getting regular 777/A350 service

Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:14 pm

zeke wrote:
vhqpa wrote:
zeke wrote:
WTB gets CX 748F, 77W, A350s, population of 295.


If we're going down that road may as well add:

SYD in Mascot, NSW (pop 14,772)
MEL in Tullamarine, VIC (pop 6,605)


Don’t think you have been to WTB to make a comment like that, there is nothing about. Have a look at a satellite photo.


It's funny and correct in its observation that the airport is in the middle of nowhere but still pedantic. WTB is around 15km from a city of well over 125,000 people. You can do the same for a lot of places to a lesser degree: for example, EMA is near Castle Donington (population ~6,500) but is otherwise surrounded by empty fields in all directions and has very little public transit. But it's between 20 and 25 km from both Nottingham and Derby.
 
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Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:17 pm

vhqpa wrote:

I get your point, one could argue it's on the extreme outer edge of Toowoomba. Admittedly at 20 km it's further out than I thought when I made that post. I thought it was around 10-12 km. But then even if you counted it as Toowoomba it probably still qualifies at ~135k


Toowoomba does have its own little airport (TWB), and at what stage is do you say Wellcamp is Toowoomba? The Toowoomba region is huge, be as large in area as Brisbane city, it goes all the way north to Yarraman and west to Cecil Plains. Technically the Oakey base is also part of the Toowoomba region. The only place I have landed at that was smaller than WTB with a wide body in Australia is PHE.

IADCA wrote:
It's funny and correct in its observation that the airport is in the middle of nowhere but still pedantic. WTB is around 15km from a city of well over 125,000 people. You can do the same for a lot of places to a lesser degree: for example, EMA is near Castle Donington (population ~6,500) but is otherwise surrounded by empty fields in all directions and has very little public transit. But it's between 20 and 25 km from both Nottingham and Derby.


EMA is a very substantial airport, it would employ hundreds of people. WTB is very small, it’s capacity is one wide body at a time, it has no ATC, no control tower, no ground based navigational aids (EMA has ILS both ends). EMA would be busier than some large airports in Australia like Darwin.
 
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Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:07 pm

zeke wrote:

EMA is a very substantial airport, it would employ hundreds of people. WTB is very small, it’s capacity is one wide body at a time, it has no ATC, no control tower, no ground based navigational aids (EMA has ILS both ends). EMA would be busier than some large airports in Australia like Darwin.


All true, but that doesn't change where it's located.
 
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Re: Smallest city getting regular 777/A350 service

Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:51 pm

kitplane01 wrote:
3rdGen wrote:
Male, Maldives has a population of around 150,000 and it gets multiple 777/350s daily. Technically the airport isn’t even on Male island. The Island that it’s on has a population of less than 60,000.

If you exclude small islands Helsinki might be one of the smallest. Only around 650,000. QR also flew its A350 a few times a week to Gabarone, Botswana, population around 250,000. Don’t know whether that’s still operating.


Helsinki is a good answer. Helsinki, Perth, and Tel Aviv are sort of like islands in that if you want to go to the next big city you're getting on a plane and not driving or taking a train.


Petropavlovsk Kamchatsky, Magadan, Yuzhno Sakhalinsk are all much smaller (and don't have a hub, unlike Helsinki) and receive daily or near daily 777s from Moscow.

Likely plenty of fish to carry, but the 757 wouldn't be able to go non-stop.

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