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Max Q
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Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:13 pm

Are US Citizens required to quarantine on arrival in the UK now ?
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:29 pm

The rules differ depending on which country you are arriving in - more information can be found here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-to-e ... s-covid-19
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:37 am

Fully vaccinated US residents don't need to quarantine. They need a test on day 2 of their stay and to complete the passenger locator form. Otherwise nothing else required.
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:09 pm

seansasLCY wrote:
Fully vaccinated US residents don't need to quarantine. They need a test on day 2 of their stay and to complete the passenger locator form. Otherwise nothing else required.


It’s very important that you have booked your day two test before arriving in the UK and have evidence to show that it is booked or else you won’t be let in - although if your airline is doing its job they won’t let you fly without the right documents. With effect from 1 Nov the day two test can be lateral flow (cheaper!) or PCR.

If you test positive on day two then you have a PCR test and go into isolation for 10 days.
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:50 pm

What is the purpose of the test on day 2 of your stay in the UK ?

Can you avoid this test if your stay is short, for example returning to the US the day after your arrival ?
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:32 am

The day 2 test is a way of trying to ensure as many arrivals in the UK as possible are actually tested and hopefully avoid many of the fake test certificates that can be bought in many parts of the world. The logic is that if you paid for a test, you will probably want to take the test. It's also to persuade those who have a deep cough and don't live in the UK, that the UK doesn't want to welcome you. It also hopes that many of those who find they have Covid after a test will decide to stay indoors and minimise infection of others. No, not a perfect system, but it balances many constraints to try to come up with a compromise that many sections of society could live with. There are plenty of people in the UK who still want a stricter system. If the test result is positive (ie you are infected) then the test company automatically tells Govt, and you can expect a phonecall from somebody in public health

The day 2 test must be booked and paid for (no, test companies generally don't give refunds if you don't take the test)... and you need evidence to prove it when you arrive in the UK (expect trouble if you are randomly picked to be asked for the evidence and cannot show paperwork, unless you can show you are just changing airplane and remainng airside at the airport). But if you arrive on day 0 and leave on day 1, with the day havng a midnight start/end, you do not need to actually take the test. If however, you are still in the UK at 00:01 on day 2 and have not left the UK in the meantime (eg you work as airline crew), then there is an obligation for the traveller to take the test

Put it this way - if you are flying from the USA to the UK, and going to spend a few days in the UK, that day 2 test needs to be booked and paid for before you leave US soil, and you need to take that Covid test within 2 days of arriving in the UK. The airline flying you to the UK will almost certainly want to see paperwork before letting you board the aircraft to the UK. Being caught not taking the test can incur a fine of £1,000. Not having paperwork (or suitable PDFs on your phone) on arrival in the UK when requested by immigration officer, accrues a fine of £500
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:00 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
The day 2 test is a way of trying to ensure as many arrivals in the UK as possible are actually tested and hopefully avoid many of the fake test certificates that can be bought in many parts of the world. The logic is that if you paid for a test, you will probably want to take the test. It's also to persuade those who have a deep cough and don't live in the UK, that the UK doesn't want to welcome you. It also hopes that many of those who find they have Covid after a test will decide to stay indoors and minimise infection of others. No, not a perfect system, but it balances many constraints to try to come up with a compromise that many sections of society could live with. There are plenty of people in the UK who still want a stricter system. If the test result is positive (ie you are infected) then the test company automatically tells Govt, and you can expect a phonecall from somebody in public health

The day 2 test must be booked and paid for (no, test companies generally don't give refunds if you don't take the test)... and you need evidence to prove it when you arrive in the UK (expect trouble if you are randomly picked to be asked for the evidence and cannot show paperwork, unless you can show you are just changing airplane and remainng airside at the airport). But if you arrive on day 0 and leave on day 1, with the day havng a midnight start/end, you do not need to actually take the test. If however, you are still in the UK at 00:01 on day 2 and have not left the UK in the meantime (eg you work as airline crew), then there is an obligation for the traveller to take the test

Put it this way - if you are flying from the USA to the UK, and going to spend a few days in the UK, that day 2 test needs to be booked and paid for before you leave US soil, and you need to take that Covid test within 2 days of arriving in the UK. The airline flying you to the UK will almost certainly want to see paperwork before letting you board the aircraft to the UK. Being caught not taking the test can incur a fine of £1,000. Not having paperwork (or suitable PDFs on your phone) on arrival in the UK when requested by immigration officer, accrues a fine of £500



Thanks for the information

I’m trying to clarify what’s needed to travel to the UK from the US and return

This is actually the first I’ve seen of a test required in the UK on the second day of your trip


So a Covid test taken in the US immediately on the same day of departure would not be acceptable in lieu of a test taken in the UK on the day after your arrival ?

What happens if you test positive in the UK ?

What happens if you don’t take the test ?


As far as timing is concerned If I left the US on a Monday, arrive UK on Tuesday and return to the US on Wednesday would I still need a test in the UK ?
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:14 am

You still have not said what UK country you are travelling to. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have different rules.

For England see:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-to-e ... s-covid-19

For Wales see
https://gov.wales/rules-international-t ... oronavirus

For Scotland see
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coron ... uarantine/

For Nothern Ireland see
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/co ... vel-advice
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:00 am

Looking at the possibility of traveling to England
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:40 am

Max Q wrote:
So a Covid test taken in the US immediately on the same day of departure would not be acceptable in lieu of a test taken in the UK on the day after your arrival ?

What happens if you test positive in the UK ?

What happens if you don’t take the test ?

As far as timing is concerned If I left the US on a Monday, arrive UK on Tuesday and return to the US on Wednesday would I still need a test in the UK ?


A test taken in the USA on departure day is a very good idea, but NOT acceptable in lieu of a test taken in the UK
If you are due to leave the US on Monday, and test positive on Monday morning, please do not get on the airplane - instead, stay at home ! If you test negative, you are welcome to visit the UK. If your airplane arrives on Tuesday, you need to have a test booked and paid for, with an appointment on any of Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday - you choose whichever time is best fir you. If however you leave the UK on Tuesday or Wednesday, you are under no obligation at all to take the test. Some test companies are good, some not so good. Have a look at Collinson or Randox as reputable companies with multiple test sites.

If you test positive, your details get passed to Public Health England, a Govt body. Expect a phonecall at the very least. If you don't answer the phonecall, somebody may come visit you. If you are infected, you are expected to self-isolate, and then have further (free) tests. You will be pushed to do the right thing and there are all kinds of laws that can impose penalties if you don't... but the UK is a free society not a police state. We treat you as an adult and hope you will behave yourself. Medical insurance with Covid cover should be arranged before you leave the USA.

If you arrive in the UK on Tuesday and are still in the UK on Thursday, you need to take the test. If you don't, you can be fined the equivalent of $1,400. Of course, we don't have police officers everywhere watching everybody, so it's partly based on trust. The fine is only if you get caught

I'm writing all this assuming you as a US resident are fully vaccinated and your last dose was over 14 days before you board the airplane. If you are not fully vaxed, the rules are much stricter and the UK doesn't really want you. If you are fully vaxed, and have no reason to believe you are infected, then please come visit us - the doors are open
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:52 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
The day 2 test is a way of trying to ensure as many arrivals in the UK as possible are actually tested and hopefully avoid many of the fake test certificates that can be bought in many parts of the world. The logic is that if you paid for a test, you will probably want to take the test. It's also to persuade those who have a deep cough and don't live in the UK, that the UK doesn't want to welcome you. It also hopes that many of those who find they have Covid after a test will decide to stay indoors and minimise infection of others. No, not a perfect system, but it balances many constraints to try to come up with a compromise that many sections of society could live with. There are plenty of people in the UK who still want a stricter system. If the test result is positive (ie you are infected) then the test company automatically tells Govt, and you can expect a phonecall from somebody in public health

The day 2 test must be booked and paid for (no, test companies generally don't give refunds if you don't take the test)... and you need evidence to prove it when you arrive in the UK (expect trouble if you are randomly picked to be asked for the evidence and cannot show paperwork, unless you can show you are just changing airplane and remainng airside at the airport). But if you arrive on day 0 and leave on day 1, with the day havng a midnight start/end, you do not need to actually take the test. If however, you are still in the UK at 00:01 on day 2 and have not left the UK in the meantime (eg you work as airline crew), then there is an obligation for the traveller to take the test

Put it this way - if you are flying from the USA to the UK, and going to spend a few days in the UK, that day 2 test needs to be booked and paid for before you leave US soil, and you need to take that Covid test within 2 days of arriving in the UK. The airline flying you to the UK will almost certainly want to see paperwork before letting you board the aircraft to the UK. Being caught not taking the test can incur a fine of £1,000. Not having paperwork (or suitable PDFs on your phone) on arrival in the UK when requested by immigration officer, accrues a fine of £500

The Day 2 test is the most blatant money grab I have seen in a long time - if it was refundable no questions asked, I’d have another view point. It’s all about money.
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:45 pm

Max Q wrote:
What is the purpose of the test on day 2 of your stay in the UK ?

Can you avoid this test if your stay is short, for example returning to the US the day after your arrival ?



The US will require returning US citizens, even fully vaccinated, to be tested within 3 days of the flight departure return to the US so assume your test to fly over will be valid if obtained say the day before you fly over, spend the night and fly back.
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:20 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Max Q wrote:
So a Covid test taken in the US immediately on the same day of departure would not be acceptable in lieu of a test taken in the UK on the day after your arrival ?

What happens if you test positive in the UK ?

What happens if you don’t take the test ?

As far as timing is concerned If I left the US on a Monday, arrive UK on Tuesday and return to the US on Wednesday would I still need a test in the UK ?


A test taken in the USA on departure day is a very good idea, but NOT acceptable in lieu of a test taken in the UK
If you are due to leave the US on Monday, and test positive on Monday morning, please do not get on the airplane - instead, stay at home ! If you test negative, you are welcome to visit the UK. If your airplane arrives on Tuesday, you need to have a test booked and paid for, with an appointment on any of Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday - you choose whichever time is best fir you. If however you leave the UK on Tuesday or Wednesday, you are under no obligation at all to take the test. Some test companies are good, some not so good. Have a look at Collinson or Randox as reputable companies with multiple test sites.

If you test positive, your details get passed to Public Health England, a Govt body. Expect a phonecall at the very least. If you don't answer the phonecall, somebody may come visit you. If you are infected, you are expected to self-isolate, and then have further (free) tests. You will be pushed to do the right thing and there are all kinds of laws that can impose penalties if you don't... but the UK is a free society not a police state. We treat you as an adult and hope you will behave yourself. Medical insurance with Covid cover should be arranged before you leave the USA.

If you arrive in the UK on Tuesday and are still in the UK on Thursday, you need to take the test. If you don't, you can be fined the equivalent of $1,400. Of course, we don't have police officers everywhere watching everybody, so it's partly based on trust. The fine is only if you get caught

I'm writing all this assuming you as a US resident are fully vaccinated and your last dose was over 14 days before you board the airplane. If you are not fully vaxed, the rules are much stricter and the UK doesn't really want you. If you are fully vaxed, and have no reason to believe you are infected, then please come visit us - the doors are open



Thanks again for the information and your comprehensive answer


The linked site regarding arrivals into England for fully vaccinated travelers (my status) states that even for a stay of less than two days you still need to book and pay for a Covid test


So a traveler departing the US on a Monday arriving in England on a Tuesday with a Wednesday return would be obligated to take a test in England?
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:42 am

Max Q wrote:
Thanks again for the information and your comprehensive answer


The linked site regarding arrivals into England for fully vaccinated travelers (my status) states that even for a stay of less than two days you still need to book and pay for a Covid test


So a traveler departing the US on a Monday arriving in England on a Tuesday with a Wednesday return would be obligated to take a test in England?


Per our crew advisory, the "day-2" test must be booked and paid for prior to departure from the US and shown on your entry declaration. Technically you may take this test in England on day 0 (your arrival day), day 1 or 2.
If you were to leave England on day-1, you can skip the test, but this does not exempt you from booking and showing proof prior to travel to England.

But remember you need a test in order to return to the U.S. also, so unless if you take your test just prior to leaving for England, you will test in England also, to satisfy U.S. requirements. I would not cut things tight and risk late test results which may hamper your travel plans.
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:59 am

UPlog wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Thanks again for the information and your comprehensive answer


The linked site regarding arrivals into England for fully vaccinated travelers (my status) states that even for a stay of less than two days you still need to book and pay for a Covid test


So a traveler departing the US on a Monday arriving in England on a Tuesday with a Wednesday return would be obligated to take a test in England?


Per our crew advisory, the "day-2" test must be booked and paid for prior to departure from the US and shown on your entry declaration. Technically you may take this test in England on day 0 (your arrival day), day 1 or 2.
If you were to leave England on day-1, you can skip the test, but this does not exempt you from booking and showing proof prior to travel to England.

But remember you need a test in order to return to the U.S. also, so unless if you take your test just prior to leaving for England, you will test in England also, to satisfy U.S. requirements. I would not cut things tight and risk late test results which may hamper your travel plans.



Thanks again, appreciate the information

It appears that for US re-entry I could:

Test on a Monday, depart for England that same night arriving Tuesday and return to the US on Wednesday using the test I took on the day of departure ?


For England entry and departure if I followed this same itinerary I would arrive on day 0 and depart on day 1 which would not require a test while there ?
 
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Re: Quarantine required for US Citizens in UK ?

Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:08 am

The day 2 test for short stays is absolutely maddening. Even worse is that these test companies have click bait cheap prices put on the Gov.uk website, making the government complicit, only for those tests to be only available in some random village 300 miles from Heathrow. Since they went to antigen/lateral flow for day 2, I have no clue if that has gotten better. It was pretty absurd that we had to book and pay for these for a 18 hour stay last month.

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