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- Sdmccray1984
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Does AA regret retiring the 767?
In this new covid world, it is likely to take some time before U.S legacy carriers can fill a 777 or Dreamliner to certain overseas destinations. I just returned from Paris back to NY and saw this. DL and UA have been wanting to (and plan to) retire theirs for some time as well, but were wise enough to wait it out. That patience has paid off, as most of UA and DL’s overseas stuff is less than half full. AA’s smallest widebody, the 787-8, is too wide to slip it in at gates fitted for the 767-300. Does AA regret their decision?
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- PITFlyer330
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Re: Does AA regret retiring the 767?
no, AA always wanted to retire it in 2021. But the a330 i would say they may regret
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- PHLspecial
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Re: Does AA regret retiring the 767?
Probably not. The 767 needed a lot of maintenance at that point in the life. Probably should have not retired the A332
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- PatrickZ80
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Re: Does AA regret retiring the 767?
The 767 was very inefficient as a passenger airliner, relatively lots of aisle space and little seating space. Too wide to be a narrow body and too narrow to be a wide body. I'd say they're glad they got rid of them.
Re: Does AA regret retiring the 767?
PatrickZ80 wrote:The 767 was very inefficient as a passenger airliner, relatively lots of aisle space and little seating space. Too wide to be a narrow body and too narrow to be a wide body. I'd say they're glad they got rid of them.
I have never heard such a thing as you mention. Inefficient as a pax plane? hundreds were built and while there are more efficient aircraft around now I would have said the 767 was a very efficient aircraft and even now calling it inefficient seems a little far fetched.
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- PatrickZ80
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Re: Does AA regret retiring the 767?
ZK-NBT wrote:I have never heard such a thing as you mention. Inefficient as a pax plane? hundreds were built and while there are more efficient aircraft around now I would have said the 767 was a very efficient aircraft and even now calling it inefficient seems a little far fetched.
I guess you haven't read this:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1465157&p=23051525#p22969609
That pretty much sums it up. It's not so much the aircraft itself, it's the inefficient seating configuration. Even in those days aircraft with a more economical seating configuration existed.
By far most 767s are freighters, they don't have the seating configuration problem. The 767 makes a great freighter, but a terrible passenger aircraft.
Re: Does AA regret retiring the 767?
PatrickZ80 wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:I have never heard such a thing as you mention. Inefficient as a pax plane? hundreds were built and while there are more efficient aircraft around now I would have said the 767 was a very efficient aircraft and even now calling it inefficient seems a little far fetched.
I guess you haven't read this:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1465157&p=23051525#p22969609
That pretty much sums it up. It's not so much the aircraft itself, it's the inefficient seating configuration. Even in those days aircraft with a more economical seating configuration existed.
By far most 767s are freighters, they don't have the seating configuration problem. The 767 makes a great freighter, but a terrible passenger aircraft.
I have never tbh heard an airline say the 767 is inefficient or terrible due to its seating configuration, it was/is a very versatile aircraft that can be used on 1hr or 12hr sectors and make an airline money, the A330 is for a 1hr domestic sector often considered to big and takes to long to turn around making the use of it 'inefficient', sure the A330 at 2-4-2 is wider and these days more capable, the 767 and A330 co existed for a long time even in the same fleet and fill different mission profiles.
Re: Does AA regret retiring the 767?
Most of the 767's AA retired were between 21-25 years old, with the youngest ones over 17. With the huge downturn in demand during Covid, would parking aircraft that old and then going through the effort and expense to get them flying again be worth it, especially considering that Trans-Pacific traffic is still virtually nonexistent and therefore there should be 787's to spare for Transatlantic and South America.
Also, most didn't even have IFE screens but had 1980's style overhead TV screens, which in my opinion is not acceptable on a longhaul full service international carrier in 2021.
That being said, I realize that UA are flying 30 year old 763's which is another story....don't get me started on that !
American's A332's were only about 6 years old, which as others have said, may be a different story.
Also, most didn't even have IFE screens but had 1980's style overhead TV screens, which in my opinion is not acceptable on a longhaul full service international carrier in 2021.
That being said, I realize that UA are flying 30 year old 763's which is another story....don't get me started on that !
American's A332's were only about 6 years old, which as others have said, may be a different story.
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- DaCubbyBearBar
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Re: Does AA regret retiring the 767?
The maintenance on those older birds just adds such a cost that airlines can’t bear at some point…. Those 767’s were definitely getting there. A330 is the interesting one…… hmmmm
Re: Does AA regret retiring the 767?
PatrickZ80 wrote:The 767 was very inefficient as a passenger airliner, relatively lots of aisle space and little seating space. Too wide to be a narrow body and too narrow to be a wide body. I'd say they're glad they got rid of them.
Ahh yes, the 2-3-2 being great for passengers but bad for the airlines (because of the seat-to-aisle ratio).
Never flew on their 767s, but yeah I heard they were ancient (unless they were updated and even then I don't think they were really that modernized).
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