Your 5th-freedom flights - Where did you go?

Fuling · Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:47 am

Have we done this one yet? What fifth-freedom flights have you taken? Where to and with which airline? Looking forward to some very interesting results! Mine aren't very exciting but I'll start:

EK: BNE-AKL-BNE, MEL-AKL
LA: AKL-SYDx2
BI: BNE-AKL
QF: SIN-LHR-HKG
Booked for August on ET: NRT-ICN-NRT

davidjohnson6 · Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:45 am

Singapore Air: Manchester-Munich
Sichuan Airlines: Zurich-Prague
Garuda: London Gatwick-Amsterdam
Hainan Air: Prague-Belgrade
Korean: Vienna-Zurich
Etihad: Belgrade-London Heathrow
LATAM: Madrid-Frankfurt
Qantas: Bangkok-Hong Kong
Air China: Barcelona-Vienna
Scoot: Athens-Berlin

I am excluding all cases of EU/EEA carriers flying within the EU/EEA- otherwise I would have hundreds of routes from the likes of Easyjet, Norwegian, Ryanair and Wizzair

bfitzflyer · Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:07 pm

NW - BKK-NRT
NW - PVG-NRT
NW - NRT - PEK

hongkongflyer · Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:47 pm

KL KUL>JKT
TG HKG-TPE
EK HKG-BKK

MartijnNL · Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:51 pm

Kuwait Airways A300-600 Rome FCO - Paris CDG return.

Kiwiandrew · Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:56 pm

CP AKL-NAN-HNL / HNL-AKL
TG AKL-SYD return
MH AKL-BNE return
NZ LHR-HKG
CX MAN-FRA ( not sure whether this counts as I actually flew MAN-FRA-HKG so I don't know whether the MAN-FRA was available to purchase as a stand alone 5th freedom sector )
SQ DXB-IST return ( as above, not sure whether this one counts as I was flying SIN-DXB-IST return so again I don't know whether I could've purchased the DXB-IST sector as a stand alone sector)

eastafspot · Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:54 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
Kuwait Airways A300-600 Rome FCO - Paris CDG return.

Same here, except just one way

Other 5th freedom trips:

Kenya Airways: Bujumbura (BJM) - Kigali (KGL) VV a few times in E70 or E90
Qatar Airways: Entebbe (EBB) - Kigali (KGL) A320
Emirates: Lusaka (LUN) - Harare (HRE) A343
KLM: Harare (HRE) - Lusaka (LUN) A332

bluefrog · Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:30 pm

back in 1997 or98 ? flew CDG-MAN with my ex on the "queen of the skies"operated by Cathy also returned the same way
anyone seen a guy called Noel Philips he's a "vlogger" did a return trip to Houston for a steak dinner from MAN on a Singapore 5th freedom flight couple of years ago

Kent350787 · Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:45 pm

EK - SYD-AKL-SYD (my only A345 flights)

blandy62 · Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:37 am

SIN-BKK
AY
SR
LX
SK
CX

SIN-HKG
UA
GA

SIN-JKT
KL
AF

SIN-DPS
AO

SIN-KUL
HY
WY
MK

SIN-CMB
EK

HKG-BKK
AI
EK
CI
UL
ET
KQ
RJ

HKG-NRT
DL

BKK-SGN
LH
TK

BKK-MNL
KU

KUL-BKK
MS

PEK-NRT
PK

KIX-HKG
AI

PEK-NGO
EY

PNH-SGN
QR

SGN-HKG
UA

HAN-BKK
QR

BKK-CAN
MD

JKT-KUL
LH
KL

MNL-NRT
DL

NRT-TPE
TZ

MAA-BKK
UU

HKG-JKT
CI

SIN-NRT
DL

NRT-PVG
DL

TPE-KIX
3K
D7

KIX-MNL
3K

TPE-ICN
TZ

ICN-HKG
ET

NRT-DMK
TZ

TPE-SGN
JW

REP-LPQ
VN

DMK-KIX
TR

KIX-KHH
TR

BKK-CCU
B3

DEL-KTM
KB

TPE-NGO
CX

CTS-TPE
TR

RGN-PNH
EK

PNH-VTE
VN

MAA-DAC
Q2

ZRH-PRG
3U

NRT-ICN
ET

GAU-SIN
KB

IXB-BKK
KB

FRA-MAD
LA

DUB-EDI
HU

OSL-ARN
ET

SIN-SUB
CI

BKK-PNH
EK

I had CAN-BOM with Rwandair booked but Covid came...

Tabito · Fri Apr 22, 2022 5:44 am

Air France: BKK-SGN
Alitalia NRT-HKG-DEL
ANA: BKK-BOM
Canadian: NRT-HKG
Cathay: CDG-MAN, NRT-TPE
China Airlines: HND-HNL
Delta: NRT-ROR
Egypt Air: NRT-MNL-BKK
Finnair: SIN-BKK
Iran Air: NRT-PEK
JAA: KHH-HKG. TPE-HKG
JAL: GRU-JFK, HKG-BKK, KUL-CGK, LAX-GRU, NAN-AKL, SIN-KUL, YVR-MEX
LAN: MAD-FRA
Korean: NRT-LAX
KLM: SIN-CGK
MIAT: TXL-SVO
Northwest: NRT-BKK, NRT-HKG, NRT-MNL, NRT-SIN
PIA: NRT-PEK, NRT-MNL, NRT-MNL-BKK
QANTAS: SIN-BOM
SAS: BKK-SIN
Singapore: NRT-LAX, NRT-TPE, TPE-KIX
Thai: KIX-MNL
United: NRT-BKK, NRT-HKG, NRT-SIN
VARIG: NGO-LAX, NRT-LAX

Flanker7 · Fri Apr 22, 2022 5:59 am

BKK-SIN SQ
SIN-DPS KLM

eta unknown · Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:58 am

This list is only 100% 5th freedom. I'm NOT including examples like NZ LAX-NAN from a LAX-NAN-AKL flight as I boarded in LAX and final destination was AKL.
AC: SYD-HNL
AI: JFK-LHR
AZ: SIN-SYD, SYD-MEL-BKK
BA: DEL-BKK, NBO-DAR, HKG-CMB-SEZ, SYD-BKK, SYD-SIN-BAH
BI: LHR-DXB-SIN
EK: BNE-AKL, CMB-MLE
IW: SYD-CMB
KL: SIN-SYD
KU: JFK-FRA, LHR-JFK
NG: SYD-KUL
NZ: SYD-LAX, LAX-PPT
OD: BNE-DPS
TG: NRT-TPE

PlymSpotter · Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:56 am

Not too many, if I would like to fly a particular airline, I tend to try and visit the country of origin in the process

Cathay Pacific - SIN-CMB
Druk Air - DEL-KTM
Garuda Indonesia - AMS-LGW
Hainan Airlines - DUB-EDI
KLM - KUL-CGK
LAN Chile - MAD-FRA-MAD
LATAM - AKL-SYD
Varig - AMS-CDG-AMS

Dan

afterburner · Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:22 pm

LH: CGK-SIN-CGK
EK: SYD-AKL
LA: AKL-SYD

zrs70 · Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:05 pm

Well, over the years on this forum it’s been answered multiple times! But it’s always fun! I want to include the number of times for each or if it was done in one direction or the other.

Singapore Air:
NRT-LAX
JFK-FRA
MAN-AMS
MAN-ZRH

United:
HKG-SGN
NRT-ICN
NRT-PVG

Varig:
LHR-CPH

Thai:
FCO-MAD

Cathay:
JFK-YVR

Qantas:
YVR-SFO

Air New Zealand:
SYD-LAX
LAX-LHR

SRQKEF · Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:27 pm

Air China
Barcelona (BCN) - Vienna (VIE), Airbus A330-300

Cathay Pacific
Bangkok (BKK) - New Delhi (DEL), Airbus A330-300

Ethiopian Airlines
Stockholm (ARN) - Oslo (OSL), Boeing 787-8

Hainan Airlines
Dublin (DUB) - Edinburgh (EDI), Boeing 787-9

LAN Airlines Chile / LATAM Airlines Chile
Frankfurt (FRA) - Madrid (MAD), Airbus A340-300 / Boeing 787-9
Madrid (MAD) - Frankfurt (FRA), Boeing 787-8 / Boeing 787-9

MIAT Mongolian Airlines
Moscow (SVO) - Berlin (TXL), Boeing 767-300ER

PIA - Pakistan International Airlines
Copenhagen (CPH) - Oslo (OSL), Boeing 777-200ER

Sichuan Airlines
Prague (PRG) - Zurich (ZRH), Airbus A330-300

Singapore Airlines
Copenhagen (CPH) - Rome (FCO), Airbus A350-900
Houston (IAH) - Manchester (MAN), Airbus A350-900
Manchester (MAN) - Munich (MUC), Boeing 777-300ER
Rome (FCO) - Copenhagen (CPH), Airbus A350-900

CrewBunk · Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:17 pm

When I was a young lad in the 70s and 80s I used to search out and fly on unusual aircraft. Living in Toronto, they often included fifth freedom rights on carriers to/from Canada. For example:

BOAC VC-10, YUL-ORD
Sabena 737, YMX-DTW
CSA IL-62, YMX-JFK
LOT Polish IL-62, JFK-YMX
LOT Polish DC-8-62, YMX-JFK (one of the stranger safety cards in my collection)
Aeroflot IL-62, YMX-JFK
El El 767-200, YYZ-LAX
El Al 737-200, YMX-MIA
El Al 720, ZRH-ORY
Air Jamaica DC-8-61, YYZ-PHL
Qantas 747-200, YVR-SFO-HNL
Air New Zealand 747-200, HNL-YVR
CPAir 747-200, NRT-HKG
Air Canada L1011-500, SIN-BOM-LHR
Air Canada L1011-15, LHR-DUS

AirKevin · Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:24 pm

NRT-TPE and back on board NW21/UA881 and NW22/UA882 respectively.

ZK-NBT · Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:23 am

I wish I had done it more, AKL used to have a lot of fifth freedom carriers across the Tasman. Still a few remain.

AKL-BNE EK A380
BKK-SYD EK A380
AKL-RAR VA 73H

classicjets · Sat Apr 23, 2022 8:12 am

YVR-JFK Cathay 77W
TPE-ICN Thai 333
JFK-LHR Kuwait 772
MAN-(IAD diversion)-JFK Pakistan 77L
MUC-MAN Singapore 77W
MAD-FRA LAN 789
YYZ-AMS Jet Airways 77W
DUB-LAX Ethiopian 788
AMS-LGW Garuda 77W

That's all I have excluding EU airlines within the EU. A little less than expected, I'll keep trying. A lot of 777 in my 5th freedoms and no narrowbodies. I also flew AMM-BKK-CAN on Royal Jordanian where BKK-CAN was available for sale, but I flew the full route.

ZK-NBT · Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:27 pm

I missed

AKL-MEL-AKL EK 773/77E

LXM83 · Sat Apr 23, 2022 8:34 pm

EK MEL-SIN B777-200
OS ZRH-IAD A310-300
NG MUC-MIA B777-200ER
QF LHR-SIN B747-400
SR SIN-BKK MD-11
LX EZE-GRU MD-11
SQ ZRH-MAN and MAN-ZRH B747-400
NW PEK-NRT and NRT-PEK A330-200
NW NRT-PVG B747-400
NW NRT-NGO B757-200
CU GUA-SJO Yak-42
KU GVA-CDG A300-600
SV FRA-GVA B777-200ER
KE VIE-ZRH A330-300 and B747-400
HM ZRH-LHR B767-300ER
KU GVA-FRA A340-300
KU FRA-GVA B747-400
OM SVO-TXL B767-300ER
3U ZRH-PRG A330-300

TWA772LR · Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:28 pm

UA NRT-ICN 737-800

It was a GUM-based crew and the exit signs were in Japanese first and English second.

leftcoast8 · Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:01 am

KJ (BA6565/6566)
LHR-HBE-ADD in 2006
LHR-BEY-ADD in 2007
Both on an A321. I was wondering if I'd be able to see any damage from the 2006 war when flying into Beirut, but the stopover was at night, so it was too dark to see anything. When I get access to a computer I'll dig up the 2007 BA timetable and find the actual stopover times.

A333MSPtoAMS · Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:04 am

DL:
BKK-NRT (B744)

GA:
LGW-AMS (B77W)

KL:
JRO-KGL (A333)

LA:
SYD-AKL (A343)

NW:
NRT-DMK-NRT (A332)

Wednesdayite · Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:11 am

Only 2 (both round trips):

Air New Zealand: LHR-LAX

NWA: AMS-BOM

BuildingMyBento · Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:05 pm

CrewBunk wrote:
When I was a young lad in the 70s and 80s I used to search out and fly on unusual aircraft. Living in Toronto, they often included fifth freedom rights on carriers to/from Canada. For example:

BOAC VC-10, YUL-ORD
Sabena 737, YMX-DTW
CSA IL-62, YMX-JFK
LOT Polish IL-62, JFK-YMX
LOT Polish DC-8-62, YMX-JFK (one of the stranger safety cards in my collection)
Aeroflot IL-62, YMX-JFK
El El 767-200, YYZ-LAX
El Al 737-200, YMX-MIA
El Al 720, ZRH-ORY
Air Jamaica DC-8-61, YYZ-PHL
Qantas 747-200, YVR-SFO-HNL
Air New Zealand 747-200, HNL-YVR
CPAir 747-200, NRT-HKG
Air Canada L1011-500, SIN-BOM-LHR
Air Canada L1011-15, LHR-DUS

Have any Mirabel photos?

BuildingMyBento · Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:23 pm

Ah 5th freedoms, more dependable than constitutional freedoms.

As usual, probably forgetting some--

SQ LAX-NRT-LAX (my first ever 5th freedom)
UL BKK-HKG
UL BKK-PEK
ON Kiribati TRW- Majuro MAJ /but only visited Majuro:(/
DL NRT-PEK-NRT
NW NRT-HKG-NRT
EK HKG-BKK-HKG
EK BKK-SYD-AKL
GF HKG-BKK
SQ JFK-FRA
CI HKG-CGK-HKG (my most flown roundtrip)
KL CGK-KUL
EK CGK-SIN
EK KUL-CGK
ET KUL-BKK

JJR · Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:31 pm

Just one:
Emirates HKG-BKK B77W

BuildingMyBento · Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:42 pm

BuildingMyBento wrote:
Ah 5th freedoms, more dependable than constitutional freedoms.

As usual, probably forgetting some--

SQ LAX-NRT-LAX (my first ever 5th freedom)
UL BKK-HKG
UL BKK-PEK
ON Kiribati TRW- Majuro MAJ /but only visited Majuro:(/
DL NRT-PEK-NRT
NW NRT-HKG-NRT
EK HKG-BKK-HKG
EK BKK-SYD-AKL
GF HKG-BKK
SQ JFK-FRA
CI HKG-CGK-HKG (my most flown roundtrip)
KL CGK-KUL
EK CGK-SIN
EK KUL-CGK
ET KUL-BKK

How confounding ... airliners says I'm logged-in, yet I can't edit the post.

Anyway, here's another:

KL BKK-TPE

AirKevin · Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:32 pm

BuildingMyBento wrote:
BuildingMyBento wrote:
Ah 5th freedoms, more dependable than constitutional freedoms.

As usual, probably forgetting some--

SQ LAX-NRT-LAX (my first ever 5th freedom)
UL BKK-HKG
UL BKK-PEK
ON Kiribati TRW- Majuro MAJ /but only visited Majuro:(/
DL NRT-PEK-NRT
NW NRT-HKG-NRT
EK HKG-BKK-HKG
EK BKK-SYD-AKL
GF HKG-BKK
SQ JFK-FRA
CI HKG-CGK-HKG (my most flown roundtrip)
KL CGK-KUL
EK CGK-SIN
EK KUL-CGK
ET KUL-BKK

How confounding ... airliners says I'm logged-in, yet I can't edit the post.

Anyway, here's another:

KL BKK-TPE

I think you have a limited amount of time to be able to do it.

CMA727 · Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:09 am

MEX-SJO-MEX on United.
MAD-ORY-MAD on Aeromexico
NRT-HKG-NRT on United.
ICN-TPE on Cathay.
TPE-ICN on Thai
SJO-GUA on Mexicana

LY777 · Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:00 am

ET: HKG-NRT
Good old times…

lollyj · Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:21 am

UA:
NRT-SIN
HKG-SIN

SQ:
HKG-SFO
ICN-SFO

airbazar · Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:45 pm

Some oldies but goodies:
SQ: HNL-LAX-HNL - This was back in the day when SQ operated SIN-NRT-HNL-LAX and we were allowed to get on and off on the same ticket. I stopped in HNL in both directions

SQ: GMP (Seoul) - YVR
SQ: JFK-FRA-JFK
QF: HKG (Kai Tak) -BKK
VA (Viasa): LIS-AMS

BuildingMyBento · Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:00 pm

Did anyone do the QF PPT-ACA leg?

BawliBooch · Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:02 am

YVR-JFK & vv - CX
SIN-BKK - IC - Only experience connecting at international station on IC. MAA-BKK flight overbooked. Was put on MAA-SIN (A300) connecting to SIN-BKK(A320).
SIN-JKT - AI. I think that was my last flight on an A310!
FRA-JFK - SQ - Transferred over after overbooking fracas at FRA.
BKK-NRT - PIA. Only PIA flight ever.
BKK-SGN - AF
AMS-LHR - Garuda. Or was it to Stansted? Cheaper than EasyJet!
SIN-SYD and SYD-AKL - EK. Part of EK itinerary. Cheapest fare for BOM-AKL for 8 people was found by a clever Travel agent. Involved changing planes in DXB, SIN and SYD! Fun...NOT!

vhqpa · Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:19 am

2 legitimate fifth freedom flights

AKL-SYD LA 343
BNE-AKL EK 388

Also done QF SIN-LHR, and while I did join that particular flight in Singapore I was connecting from another QF flight from Australia.

lesfalls · Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:31 pm

CrewBunk wrote:
When I was a young lad in the 70s and 80s I used to search out and fly on unusual aircraft. Living in Toronto, they often included fifth freedom rights on carriers to/from Canada. For example:

BOAC VC-10, YUL-ORD
Sabena 737, YMX-DTW
CSA IL-62, YMX-JFK
LOT Polish IL-62, JFK-YMX
LOT Polish DC-8-62, YMX-JFK (one of the stranger safety cards in my collection)
Aeroflot IL-62, YMX-JFK
El El 767-200, YYZ-LAX
El Al 737-200, YMX-MIA
El Al 720, ZRH-ORY
Air Jamaica DC-8-61, YYZ-PHL
Qantas 747-200, YVR-SFO-HNL
Air New Zealand 747-200, HNL-YVR
CPAir 747-200, NRT-HKG
Air Canada L1011-500, SIN-BOM-LHR
Air Canada L1011-15, LHR-DUS

Whats the story with Sabena and El Al having 737s based in North America?

Makes me think of Aerolinas Argentina when they had MD-80s based in MAD to serve LHR, ORY, FCO, ZRH but had no idea the 2 carriers had short haul ops in place on the continent.

lesfalls · Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:36 pm

EK JFK-MXP-JFK, B777-300ER/A380 (3x)
LA FRA-MAD B787-9
SQ MXP-BCN A350-900

CrewBunk · Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:46 pm

lesfalls wrote:
Whats the story with Sabena and El Al having 737s based in North America?

Makes me think of Aerolinas Argentina when they had MD-80s based in MAD to serve LHR, ORY, FCO, ZRH but had no idea the 2 carriers had short haul ops in place on the continent.

Both flights were operated by Montreal carrier Nordair, timed to connect with their inbound flights from BRU and TLV. The Sabena flight was in Sabena colours, the El El flight in Nordair colours. Flight and cabin crews were 100% Nordair, as were the safety cards, napkins, meals, etc.

I originated in YMX on both flights and was taken from the terminal in a small bus, to the remote parking area and boarded through the rear. At the same time, the “through” passengers boarded by a PTV through the front door. There were less than half a dozen passengers originating in YMX with the aircraft topped up to about 2/3 full with through passengers.

Austin787 · Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:38 am

Singapore Airlines: LAX-TPE-LAX; IAH-DME-IAH; NRT-LAX
Emirates: SYD-CHC
China Airlines: BNE-AKL

dredgy · Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:45 am

By no means exhaustive but can only think of a couple right now.
Dubai to Kuwait, Sri Lankan Airlines
São Paulo to Buenos Aires, Turkish Airlines

Amfleet82 · Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:02 am

[url][/url]ANZ LAX-RAR, a few days later RAR-AKL

SAA JNB-Dakar-IAD

Egypair Saigon to Kuala Lumpur

SQ JFK-FRA

CX YVR-JFK

EK JFK-MXP

AC SCL-EZE

AF LAX-PPT

Kent350787 · Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:39 pm

Short list for me:

EK SYD-AKL

TheFlyingDisk · Wed Jul 27, 2022 12:54 am

Not a lot of fifth freedom options for me, so I only managed one flight, KUL-CGK on KL.

In fact, it was a special Miffy themed flight in conjunction with the then new Economy cabin launch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgkksTgu_Tk

mhkansan · Wed Jul 27, 2022 1:06 am

I've only flown one! KQ (Kenya Airways) from VFA to CPT on their 737-800. After takeoff, the captain gave three passes over the Victoria Falls to ensure both sides of the aircraft got an aerial view before rocketing off to cruise altitude to CPT. I have never before seen this on any commercial flight since... Amazing!

rt23456p · Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:47 am

SIN-CAN on WY, 600SGD RT Business lie-flat and chauffeur driving, although the return leg cancelled, I phoned Trip.com and forced them to rebook me on CZ metal.

388crazy · Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:06 am

Emirates MEL-KUL
Emirates SIN-MEL x2
Ethiopian DUB-MAD
LATAM FRA-MAD x2
TAM JFK-YYZ

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