Got back in the air recently after Covid, and the airports are not the airports I remember.
Airline ground customer facing employees and flight attendants having VERY tacky tattoos on full display? Earrings on men? Gay flags, pins, and airline promoting gay sex? Gum chewing and a general sense or roughness and lack of refinement among the staff. Poor speech and accents and just a general sense of rude, crude, and socially unacceptable and improper behavior, which airlines never seemed to have in the 70s
I’m kind of appalled and people in my family are also taking notice. Noticed the international Asian airlines always seemed immaculately groomed and displaying a sense of pride US airlines just don’t seem to have lately.
Is this the new norm of airline travel in the US. Why are airlines in the US allowing this.
Is it to devalue their employees in the eyes of the public to make them appear trashy and NOT WORTHY of good salary boosts maybe? If this sense of tackiness is the new norm I think I may be avoiding air travel for a while.
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Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
I fly on Azul Brazilian Airlines between Fort Lauderdale and the Sao Paulo area a couple of times of year and the customer service people and flight crews employed by Azul are always so polite, clean cut and helpful. A world of difference from their counterparts that work for airlines in the United States.
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Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
The same applies across the economy - not just airlines.
Dress codes and attitudes are seemingly much more relaxed in the work place. Tattoos seem to be routinely on display even in professional environments where (pre-Covid) they would have been covered.
Dress codes and attitudes are seemingly much more relaxed in the work place. Tattoos seem to be routinely on display even in professional environments where (pre-Covid) they would have been covered.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
KlimaBXsst wrote:Got back in the air recently after Covid, and the airports are not the airports I remember.
Airline ground customer facing employees and flight attendants having VERY tacky tattoos on full display? Earrings on men? Gay flags, pins, and airline promoting gay sex? Gum chewing and a general sense or roughness and lack of refinement among the staff. Poor speech and accents and just a general sense of rude, crude, and socially unacceptable and improper behavior, which airlines never seemed to have in the 70s
I’m kind of appalled and people in my family are also taking notice. Noticed the international Asian airlines always seemed immaculately groomed and displaying a sense of pride US airlines just don’t seem to have lately.
Is this the new norm of airline travel in the US. Why are airlines in the US allowing this.
Is it to devalue their employees in the eyes of the public to make them appear trashy and NOT WORTHY of good salary boosts maybe? If this sense of tackiness is the new norm I think I may be avoiding air travel for a while.
So a pin with a flag on it = UA promoting sexual activity?
If it was two cartoon guys making out I would see your point, but this is just ridiculous. What if the employee is gay etc or has a child who is?
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
KlimaBXsst wrote:Earrings on men?
The horror! I don't wear earrings myself, but a small, tasteful earring on a man isn't a big deal.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
Comparing to the 1970s falls a bit flat. Sorry, that’s pushing half a century ago…societal norms have changed
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Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
If you're going to avoid doing an activity because of the way someone dresses or talks then I'd say you have some serious issues. Are you just going to avoid going out in public altogether?
Societal norms change, the way people dress, talk, and act changes with times. As long as they get the job done and get me from point A to point B then I couldn't care less what they look like.
Societal norms change, the way people dress, talk, and act changes with times. As long as they get the job done and get me from point A to point B then I couldn't care less what they look like.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
It appears that you are complaining about airline employees looking and acting like normal people in 2022. They might complain about your punctuation:
I believe there's something about glass houses and throwing stones that applies here.
I'll admit that I - not an airline employee - have a long beard and hate neckties with such a fiery passion that I didn't wear one at my own wedding. I also have a 1%er type job, and I'll admit that I enjoy watching the faces that get made by people like you when someone looking like me takes them to the cleaners for a few dozen million dollars. Personally I prefer that airline employees act like humans: I find overly-groomed automatons to be a bit creepy, and in the case of CSAs even a little pathetic considering what they're (not) being paid. So, uh, take your desire for it to be 1965 again and stick it up the tailpipe of a JT-8D. The world has moved on.
Also, "poor accents" is not a good look, in addition to all the other ridiculous stuff you typed.
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Is this the new norm of airline travel in the US. Why are airlines in the US allowing this.
I believe there's something about glass houses and throwing stones that applies here.
I'll admit that I - not an airline employee - have a long beard and hate neckties with such a fiery passion that I didn't wear one at my own wedding. I also have a 1%er type job, and I'll admit that I enjoy watching the faces that get made by people like you when someone looking like me takes them to the cleaners for a few dozen million dollars. Personally I prefer that airline employees act like humans: I find overly-groomed automatons to be a bit creepy, and in the case of CSAs even a little pathetic considering what they're (not) being paid. So, uh, take your desire for it to be 1965 again and stick it up the tailpipe of a JT-8D. The world has moved on.
Also, "poor accents" is not a good look, in addition to all the other ridiculous stuff you typed.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
KlimaBXsst wrote:If this sense of tackiness is the new norm I think I may be avoiding air travel for a while.
Please, by all means, avoid air travel. The fewer bigots in the air, the better.
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Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
Lots of anti-provincialism here I see. Just pointing out the airline industry is a competitive business, and the airlines might want to reign it in to enhance profits.
Staff may want to voluntarily do the same during their next contract negotiations as any one knows the more attractive runway fashion models make more money on the catwalk then lesser attractive people. It’s just way the world operates.
Personally I don’t care about peoples tats, accents, and politics for I just discriminate myself away from those that I may find offensive.
Personally it is bad business if passengers shy away from booking a flight on an individual airline, because that company has a reputation and perceived as being lower class among the public.
It’s all about money people so personal attacks are completely unjustified. Others should try to be open minded and realize who pays their bills.
Staff may want to voluntarily do the same during their next contract negotiations as any one knows the more attractive runway fashion models make more money on the catwalk then lesser attractive people. It’s just way the world operates.
Personally I don’t care about peoples tats, accents, and politics for I just discriminate myself away from those that I may find offensive.
Personally it is bad business if passengers shy away from booking a flight on an individual airline, because that company has a reputation and perceived as being lower class among the public.
It’s all about money people so personal attacks are completely unjustified. Others should try to be open minded and realize who pays their bills.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
My airline openly permits the wearing of a pride pin (especially during pride it's self), and is useally in a few pride parades across the country (Canadian airline..). They're also re-jigging the uniform standard to allow visible tattoos as well as a broader choice of jewelry.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
KlimaBXsst wrote:Got back in the air recently after Covid, and the airports are not the airports I remember.
Airline ground customer facing employees and flight attendants having VERY tacky tattoos on full display? Earrings on men? Gay flags, pins, and airline promoting gay sex? Gum chewing and a general sense or roughness and lack of refinement among the staff. Poor speech and accents and just a general sense of rude, crude, and socially unacceptable and improper behavior, which airlines never seemed to have in the 70s
I’m kind of appalled and people in my family are also taking notice. Noticed the international Asian airlines always seemed immaculately groomed and displaying a sense of pride US airlines just don’t seem to have lately.
Is this the new norm of airline travel in the US. Why are airlines in the US allowing this.
Is it to devalue their employees in the eyes of the public to make them appear trashy and NOT WORTHY of good salary boosts maybe? If this sense of tackiness is the new norm I think I may be avoiding air travel for a while.
I stopped reading at your rant about gays.
Take the bus.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
Sad that we're now in the 2020s and people still focus on their perceived tolerance of the appearance of others. Who cares if one wears a pin or cross or other symbol of their personal pride or belief? Who cares if one has an ear pierced or nose pierced? Who cares if they wear some ink? Geezus, if they do their job and they do it well, what the hell does it matter other than your own personal intolerance of others?
As a bus driver, not on my bus - thanks.
Josh76040 wrote:
Take the bus.
As a bus driver, not on my bus - thanks.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
KlimaBXsst wrote:Lots of anti-provincialism here I see. Just pointing out the airline industry is a competitive business, and the airlines might want to reign it in to enhance profits.
Is it? Not especially, at least in the US. And considering that you appear to be complaining about all the airlines across the board, where are you going to take your business? Amtrak?
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
Yes, business travel is down because the check in agent might have a tattoo and avoiding that is worth far more than whatever the business traveler was en route to.
To summarize this thread-“I don’t like the way things are these days and it makes me uncomfortable, so everyone else should adapt to me”
Luckily it seems the “provincial class” are dying off so the rest of us don’t have to deal with those holier than thou bigots for much longer.
My advice is to stay home and watch reruns on TV land. The world has moved on and left you behind
To summarize this thread-“I don’t like the way things are these days and it makes me uncomfortable, so everyone else should adapt to me”
Luckily it seems the “provincial class” are dying off so the rest of us don’t have to deal with those holier than thou bigots for much longer.
My advice is to stay home and watch reruns on TV land. The world has moved on and left you behind
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
KlimaBXsst wrote:This is priceless. BTW--Business travel is down because of teleconferencing and other electronic media. It's not because of pins, piercings and tats. I don't have any and don't especially care for them, but it doesn't affect my life one way or the other. To each his own.Others should try to be open minded.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
KlimaBXsst wrote:Others should try to be open minded.
This...this is gold. Unintentional, but gold.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
KlimaBXsst wrote:Point of the long story is. Just because you get a good haircut, or find a great fare on an airline does not mean one will continue to be willing to subject oneself to the values erosion of society. Tats, piercings, BLM gay flag pins, odd color hair are not the issues. The issue is the “provincial class” do not wish to be around the dereliction of this mass culture.
LOL - actually, the point to your long story is that you value your personal intolerance of others based on their appearance above everything else.
You were getting a great service by your hair stylist, her personal appearance for some bizarre reasons, troubles you and even though you were getting a great haircut, you decided to take your business else where because of peoples appearance.
Good God, thats just plain out sad and deranged.
Keeping an "open mind" indeed
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
The best part is is that all these "types of people" you are complaining about could be your best friends at any time of the world and in your times of need.
I'm truly thinking that's now.
Just saying.
I'm truly thinking that's now.
Just saying.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
KlimaBXsst wrote:FACTS ARE BUSINESS TRAVEL IS WAY DOWN SINCE COVID. Could there be more to this?
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So… I used to get my hair cut. I randomly wandered into a gals shop when I needed a haircut badly and looked like I would not have to wait too long.
The girl cutting my hair was sweet and kind but covered with tattoos which I noticed immediately. She cut my hair well though, so I decided to come back. After returning to her for a haircut a number of times, I started to notice the girls had really odd colored hair, odd piercings, and loads of tattoos in her salon.
No big deal it’s a salon with young people in a convenient part of town easy to get too, and she was cutting my hair well. I tipped her very, very well for a great haircut as I kind of felt sorry for her the way she had marred her body while being so sweet and kind.
By the 3rd visit, I was feeling like I did not care for the image values of this salon but liked the gal well enough, so continued going there. I am not into giving the world predictive meta data so do not make reservations for a cut. Sometimes I would wait 5 minutes other times it’s 30.
By about the 6th visit and being surrounded by so many tattoos, piercings, and a lot of “common” behavior while waiting in the sitting area, I started to feel really gross for allowing myself to being surrounded by values so contrary to my own but still came and tipped her very well.
After seeing the circus carnival atmosphere of tattoos more appropriate for a penitentiary in the waiting area after another of those 30 minute waits; even though I liked the gal, I decided the place was too counter to my value ideas so I left and never went back.
Point of the long story is. Just because you get a good haircut, or find a great fare on an airline does not mean one will continue to be willing to subject oneself to the values erosion of society. Tats, piercings, BLM gay flag pins, odd color hair are not the issues. The issue is the “provincial class” do not wish to be around the dereliction of this mass culture.
Maybe airlines are of the belief core there is more money to be made by courting the dereliction of this crowd. FACTS ARE BUSINESS TRAVEL IS WAY DOWN SINCE COVID. Could there be more to this?
At this point I’m pretty sure you’re trolling.
You can’t possibly be serious.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
Kno wrote:KlimaBXsst wrote:FACTS ARE BUSINESS TRAVEL IS WAY DOWN SINCE COVID. Could there be more to this?
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So… I used to get my hair cut. I randomly wandered into a gals shop when I needed a haircut badly and looked like I would not have to wait too long.
The girl cutting my hair was sweet and kind but covered with tattoos which I noticed immediately. She cut my hair well though, so I decided to come back. After returning to her for a haircut a number of times, I started to notice the girls had really odd colored hair, odd piercings, and loads of tattoos in her salon.
No big deal it’s a salon with young people in a convenient part of town easy to get too, and she was cutting my hair well. I tipped her very, very well for a great haircut as I kind of felt sorry for her the way she had marred her body while being so sweet and kind.
By the 3rd visit, I was feeling like I did not care for the image values of this salon but liked the gal well enough, so continued going there. I am not into giving the world predictive meta data so do not make reservations for a cut. Sometimes I would wait 5 minutes other times it’s 30.
By about the 6th visit and being surrounded by so many tattoos, piercings, and a lot of “common” behavior while waiting in the sitting area, I started to feel really gross for allowing myself to being surrounded by values so contrary to my own but still came and tipped her very well.
After seeing the circus carnival atmosphere of tattoos more appropriate for a penitentiary in the waiting area after another of those 30 minute waits; even though I liked the gal, I decided the place was too counter to my value ideas so I left and never went back.
Point of the long story is. Just because you get a good haircut, or find a great fare on an airline does not mean one will continue to be willing to subject oneself to the values erosion of society. Tats, piercings, BLM gay flag pins, odd color hair are not the issues. The issue is the “provincial class” do not wish to be around the dereliction of this mass culture.
Maybe airlines are of the belief core there is more money to be made by courting the dereliction of this crowd. FACTS ARE BUSINESS TRAVEL IS WAY DOWN SINCE COVID. Could there be more to this?
At this point I’m pretty sure you’re trolling.
You can’t possibly be serious.
This.
Business travel is down because of (a) airline employees with tattoos and Pride pins or (b) Zoom video conferences being a lot cheaper than flights and hotels?
Circle one, OP.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
With all due respect, this is one of the most bizarre and unhinged rants I've ever seen on this site. Can't get any more superficial than dehumanizing others because of their appearance. Your viewpoints are such a pity.
Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
hoons90 wrote:With all due respect, this is one of the most bizarre and unhinged rants I've ever seen on this site. Can't get any more superficial than dehumanizing others because of their appearance. Your viewpoints are such a pity.
If the OP had simply started a discussion about airline service in this country seems ruder, less professional then in that country, then that could have been a valid discussion point - but in reality, his "observation" points is what what shot his own discussion in the foot.
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Re: What is up with scruffy United States airline grooming lately?Goy
hoons90 wrote:With all due respect, this is one of the most bizarre and unhinged rants I've ever seen on this site. Can't get any more superficial than dehumanizing others because of their appearance. Your viewpoints are such a pity.
I absolutely agree with this, of all the things I've ready in over a decade on this site... this was beyond.
KlimaBXsst wrote:Gay flags, pins,
Well since as you noted business travel is down every airline should be throwing up the Pride Flags to bring in the LGBTQ+ travellers! Multiple studies have shown that homosexual households in both the Americas and European on average have incomes 36% higher than their heteronormative counter parts.
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