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Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:48 pm

Hello,

its June already (time is running so fast!) and in just a few weeks/months the big announcements of new Transatlantic Services will start again, usually between late August and late October.

I think 2023 will be very interesting, it seems most of the Pandemic is over, demand recovers in a astonishing speed, many Transatlantic Flights were paused long-term or completely cut in 2020. Sure many of them will return one by one, but recent recessions/crises have shown that after the "big bang" a lot of completely new, not (or long not) served before routes, pop up. Also we are not far away from the EIS of the A321XLR, Summer 2023 will be the last Summer without the XLR as far as the delay does not increase. Will United for example start some new routes with 757/767 to later switch them to the XLR? They should have one or another 757/767 available because all the PW 777s return now.

What new routes on which Airlines do you expect for Summer 2023? I think about making a Statistic of all ideas/expectations and then make a ranking. I am extremely curious how close our expectations will be to reality at the end.



My expectations (reduced to my Home Country Germany so far, have to have a look at the rest of Europe later):

DL ATL-DUS return (yearround)
DL JFK-BER return (seasonal)

UA EWR-DUS (yearround)
UA EWR-HAM (yearround)
UA IAD-BER (seasonal, another try, may be delayed to when the XLR is available)

AA: I honestly do not see any other Germany routes before the XLR arrives.

And maybe LED-JFK on a Baltia Air Lines 747? :hyper:
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:20 am

DTW to KEF
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:35 am

Perhaps DEN will finally get the long teased DUB, LIS, or IST.
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:23 am

I could see IND getting a flight. Probably to LHR on BA

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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:41 pm

Realistically BWI is likely done adding TATL routes for a couple years after landing both Play and Icelandair to KEF for 2022. That may change once more airlines start picking up the XLR.
With a Star Alliance hub to our west and a OneWorld hub to our north, there aren't many connection benefits a European airline would enjoy at BWI unless WN or NK started a transatlantic codeshare or similar agreement. That leaves me to believe that EI, KL, or AF might have the best luck at BWI (the first two of which did serve the airport years ago).

However, I always thought and maintain the belief that BWI is a good opportunity for DL to connect to its Parisian or Amsterdam hub, similar to what has been done with IND, PHL, EWR, TPA, RDU, MCO, or PDX with varying success. A 3x-weekly summer 757 or 767 on BWI-CDG I believe would enjoy some success, and open many connections on AF onward from CDG.


This all being said, there is enough transatlantic activity at BWI to be satisfied right now when compared to other airports in its class.
LHR on BA, with a subsidy often unnecessary nowadays
FRA on DE, has existed seasonally for going on a decade now
KEF on OG/FI, FI has been on-and-off but was last stopped by the Max grounding and OG's success here is dependent on OG's survival as an airline, not the Balt/DC market.
DSS via JFK on HC, admittedly didn't think this route would last a month but it's a very cool thing for BWI to maintain. Likely couldn't survive as a standalone BWI-DSS, but who can be picky when an A339/A343 is a regularly-scheduled visitor to your airport?
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:40 pm

PIT KEF on PLAY
PIT DUB
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:33 pm

SAN-Paris and/or Amsterdam on AF/KL. Only SkyTeam is not represented at SAN for trans-Atlantic routes, and SAN's subsidies will be available for the new carrier, as LH's have been used up.
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:41 pm

United - summer seasonal from Chicago to Berlin

American - addition of Amsterdam or Paris from Charlotte

Icelandair - would be great to see them get a little ballsy and do summer seasonal from Charlotte or Atlanta
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:41 am

United - Denver to ZRH Star hub to Star hub, duplicates FRA/MUC, but a ton of connections on both ends.
Delta - restore more of the spokes to AMS/CDG TPA-AMS, IND-CDG, PIT-CDG

Actually think will see more action on the pacific front in the coming year, assuming pandemic restrictions ease.
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:45 am

DL/AF PDX-CDG
LH PDX-FRA
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:15 am

Just some darts on the board by any of the following..

RDU-DUB on Aer Lingus
RDU-FRA on LH or Condor

That’s all I could imagine
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:15 pm

Would be great if EI returned to MSP. They only flew DUB-MSP in summer 2019, and I think they planned to use the A330 in 2020, but then obviously the pandemic happened. With the A321XLR it should be a doable route at least during the summer.
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:52 pm

IND-LHR
or
IND-DUB

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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:33 pm

Strong rumours of DUB-BUF/DEN with EI
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:30 pm

Love to see IAH-MXP, IAH-LIS and/or IAH-MAD though pretty sure those are simply huge dreams on my part. :yes:
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:25 am

DEN-DUB EI
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:15 am

Looking back on this thread we now have the following announced for NS23:
EI DUB-BDL/CLE
DL JFK-LGW/GVA/BER/3rd daily FCO, ATL-EDI/STR/DUS, and LAX-LHR/CDG;
UA EWR-AGP/DXB/ARN, ORD-SNN/BCN, IAD-BER/2nd daily CDG; and LAX-2nd daily LHR;
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:09 am

And we are still missing:

- AA S23 TATL announcement
- WS S23 TATL announcement
- DL 2nd announcement (as was rumoured when they announced the first batch of routes)
- BA supposed new route to the US which has been rumoured in twitter

Interesting that airlines are waiting so much to make their announcements this year. Maybe it'll turn out that all of those are rumours and these airlines will simply not make announcements this year?
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:08 pm

When will DL ever resume ATL-BRU/ZRH if ever?
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:31 pm

Any word on when AA will announce their routes?
 
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Re: Survey: new Transatlantic Routes from Summer 2023?

Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:57 pm

iFlyDTW wrote:
DTW to KEF


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