SAN is currently the only contiguous U.S. airport that isn't a hub for AA/DL/UA/AS that currently has nonstop service to TYO.
JL does serve a few non-AA-hub airports in the contiguous U.S. such as BOS, SAN, SFO, and SEA, but JL/AA's partner AS has hubs at SFO/SEA and a focus city at SAN.
NH does serve a few non-UA hub airports in the contiguous U.S. such as JFK and SEA, but JFK is in the same market as UA's EWR hub.
NH is also scheduled to resume SJC-HND nonstop service on 10/30/2022, even though UA's hub in the San Francisco Bay Area is at SFO.
DL currently serves HND nonstop from its ATL/DTW/SEA hubs and HNL.
DL is also planning on resuming nonstop service to HND from LAX/MSP/PDX on 10/29/2022.
There are more contiguous U.S. markets that don't have an AA/DL/UA/AS hub that do have nonstop service to Europe, including AUS, LAS, BNA, MSY, MCO, PIT, STL, SAN, and TPA.
JL or NH might be able to make nonstop service to NRT work from a non-AA/DL/UA/AS hub market that has significant demand to East Asia/Southeast Asia with the connecting opportunities that would be available through NRT to some other destinations in Asia.
Are there any non-AA/DL/UA/AS hub markets in the contiguous U.S. that have enough demand for nonstop service to TYO (taking into account the beyond-TYO connecting traffic that would be there to other destinations in East Asia and Southeast Asia)?
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Re: Are there any additional non-AA/DL/UA/AS hub markets in the contiguous U.S. that can support nonstop service to TYO?
Maybe Oakland or San José, serving as alternatives for San Francisco. The major airlines wouldn't go for it, but I can see a newcomer trying it there. ZipAir Tokyo perhaps? As an LCC they can get away with serving a secondary airport in order to save costs, and with San Francisco nearby the market certainly isn't small.
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Re: Are there any additional non-AA/DL/UA/AS hub markets in the contiguous U.S. that can support nonstop service to TYO?
Maybe MCO, AUS or RDU or secondary LA airport, ONT, HND is slot restricted, so would imagine any of these would be out of NRT at the moment. Will be a while as first need recovery from COVID. All of these would be Japanese carriers.
Re: Are there any additional non-AA/DL/UA/AS hub markets in the contiguous U.S. that can support nonstop service to TYO?
bfitzflyer wrote:Maybe MCO, AUS or RDU or secondary LA airport, ONT, HND is slot restricted, so would imagine any of these would be out of NRT at the moment. Will be a while as first need recovery from COVID. All of these would be Japanese carriers.
There were discussions over in the Austin, Nashville, and Raleigh/Durham Aviation threads regarding the possible addition of TPAC nonstop flights to East Asia out of AUS/BNA/RDU.
Re: Are there any additional non-AA/DL/UA/AS hub markets in the contiguous U.S. that can support nonstop service to TYO?
I think it's funny that UA is the only US3 airline that can support NYC-TYO.
That said AUS would be able to, IMO. MCO maybe if JL or NH teamed up with B6 for feed on top of the Mouse but that's getting pretty long range for what would mostly be leisure traffic.
That said AUS would be able to, IMO. MCO maybe if JL or NH teamed up with B6 for feed on top of the Mouse but that's getting pretty long range for what would mostly be leisure traffic.
Re: Are there any additional non-AA/DL/UA/AS hub markets in the contiguous U.S. that can support nonstop service to TYO?
PatrickZ80 wrote:Maybe Oakland or San José, serving as alternatives for San Francisco. The major airlines wouldn't go for it, but I can see a newcomer trying it there. ZipAir Tokyo perhaps? As an LCC they can get away with serving a secondary airport in order to save costs, and with San Francisco nearby the market certainly isn't small.
ANA does serve SJC. It was suspended during the pandemic. As another poster noted, it is currently scheduled to resume later this year.
Supposedly the route performed okay prior to the pandemic. Not sure if moving it from NRT to HND will help or hurt.
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TWA772LR wrote:I think it's funny that UA is the only US3 airline that can support NYC-TYO.
That said AUS would be able to, IMO. MCO maybe if JL or NH teamed up with B6 for feed on top of the Mouse but that's getting pretty long range for what would mostly be leisure traffic.
AA has it through partner, JAL. DL might be able to if they has the right aircraft and slots at HND for it, but so far they have chose to serve their other hubs and PDX/HNL. DL also at disadvantage as no partner in Japan.
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Re: Are there any additional non-AA/DL/UA/AS hub markets in the contiguous U.S. that can support nonstop service to TYO?
On a similar note, what's going to replace NRT for connecting traffic to the rest of Asia? Since Haneda is timed for O&D traffic, flights to Asia leave in the morning or midday, while flights from North America arrive later in the afternoon. Compare that to Narita, where flights to Asia leave between 5:30-9 pm specifically catering to NA connecting pax. Narita was also the main gateway into Hong Kong.
Well that's partly because SAN is the largest non-hub airport in the U.S. (Third busiest single-runway airport after LGW and BOM.) The major airlines are Alaska and Southwest, for which SAN is only a focus city.
Did American ever fly AUS-NRT nonstop? I know they did SJC-NRT with the MD-11 from 1991 until 2006. ANA restarted the route in 2013 and moved to Haneda in 2020.
jplatts wrote:SAN is currently the only contiguous U.S. airport that isn't a hub for AA/DL/UA/AS that currently has nonstop service to TYO.
Well that's partly because SAN is the largest non-hub airport in the U.S. (Third busiest single-runway airport after LGW and BOM.) The major airlines are Alaska and Southwest, for which SAN is only a focus city.
TWA772LR wrote:That said AUS would be able to, IMO.
Did American ever fly AUS-NRT nonstop? I know they did SJC-NRT with the MD-11 from 1991 until 2006. ANA restarted the route in 2013 and moved to Haneda in 2020.
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Did American ever fly AUS-NRT nonstop? I know they did SJC-NRT with the MD-11 from 1991 until 2006. ANA restarted the route in 2013 and moved to Haneda in 2020.
I don't believe anyone has everyone flown a regularly scheduled AUS-NRT flight, maybe a couple of one offs for SXSW.
Re: Are there any additional non-AA/DL/UA/AS hub markets in the contiguous U.S. that can support nonstop service to TYO?
bfitzflyer wrote:leftcoast8 wrote:
Did American ever fly AUS-NRT nonstop? I know they did SJC-NRT with the MD-11 from 1991 until 2006. ANA restarted the route in 2013 and moved to Haneda in 2020.
I don't believe anyone has everyone flown a regularly scheduled AUS-NRT flight, maybe a couple of one offs for SXSW.
Back in that time period AUS-NRT was way too small for nonstop service. Keep in mind that AUS is a relatively weak Japan market; its two biggest TPAC markets are ICN and TPE and it’s not especially close.
Re: Are there any additional non-AA/DL/UA/AS hub markets in the contiguous U.S. that can support nonstop service to TYO?
There's also been rumors in the past about BNA getting some far east service. And going way back NW did alone they wanted to do MEM-NRT when they got the 787, but we all know how that went.
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Re: Are there any additional non-AA/DL/UA/AS hub markets in the contiguous U.S. that can support nonstop service to TYO?
Cubsrule wrote:Back in that time period AUS-NRT was way too small for nonstop service. Keep in mind that AUS is a relatively weak Japan market; its two biggest TPAC markets are ICN and TPE and it’s not especially close.
Very interesting! I'm assuming this is fuelled by O&D demand for Samsung and TSMC? Or is there a lot of connecting demand to HK/SZ, BKK, KL, JKT, etc?
Re: Are there any additional non-AA/DL/UA/AS hub markets in the contiguous U.S. that can support nonstop service to TYO?
leftcoast8 wrote:Cubsrule wrote:Back in that time period AUS-NRT was way too small for nonstop service. Keep in mind that AUS is a relatively weak Japan market; its two biggest TPAC markets are ICN and TPE and it’s not especially close.
Very interesting! I'm assuming this is fuelled by O&D demand for Samsung and TSMC? Or is there a lot of connecting demand to HK/SZ, BKK, KL, JKT, etc?
I was referencing O&D numbers.
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