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Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:22 pm

What were the common aircraft used on cross country flights within the US in the early to mid-90s.

For example BOS-LAX or BOS-SFO.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:02 pm

757s and 767-200s with an occasional DC10 (usually for positioning purposes). When the 777 was introduced in the mid-90s it was deployed occasionally.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:21 pm

lucky13 wrote:
What were the common aircraft used on cross country flights within the US in the early to mid-90s.

For example BOS-LAX or BOS-SFO.


I flew on a United Boeing 757 from LAX to IAD, and I flew a United DC-10-10 on BOS-LAX in January 1991... or maybe it was the other way around, but either way, it was 757 and DC10.

I imagine the TriStar probably also appeared at other airlines.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:32 pm

Transcon fleet-types by routes from LAX by AA/US/CO/UA/DL/TW in 1995, according to Departed flights:

AA:
BOS: D10, 762
MIA: 762, 763, D10
JFK: D10, 762
EWR: 762, 752 (no longer flown)
IAD: 762, 752 (no longer flown)

CO:
EWR: D10, 752

DL:
ATL: L10, 763, 762, 752
JFK: L15, A300
MCO: 763, 752

UA:
BOS: 752
MIA: 763 (no longer flown)
JFK: 762
EWR: 752
MCO: 752
PHL: 752 (no longer flown)
IAD: D10, 763, 762

US:
BWI: 752
CLT: 762, 752
PHL: 762
PIT: 762, 733, 752

TW:
JFK: L10, 762, 741

Here's 1999:

AA:
BOS: 752, 762
FLL: 752
MIA: 763, 762, 752
JFK: D10, 762, 763
EWR: 752 (no longer flown)
IAD: 738, D10, 752, 762 (no longer flown...quite the range in gauge!)

CO:
EWR: 752, 738

DL:
ATL: L10, 763, 752
JFK: 752, 763
MCO: 763, 752
TPA: 752

UA:
BWI: 752
BOS: 762, 752
MIA: 772 (no longer flown)
JFK: 762
EWR: A320, 752
MCO: A320
PHL: A320 (no longer flown)
TPA: A320
IAD: 744, A319, 752

US:
BWI: 752
CLT: 752, A319
PHL: A319, A320, 752
PIT: 752

TW:
JFK: 752, 762

Widebodies really started to be taken off routes that didn't touch BOS/NYC/WAS/MIA by the late 1990s, although a few exceptions remained. I flew a US 762 on PIT-LAX in Feb 2001, and I believe US continued to schedule the 762 into LAX until around 2003 or so.

US had a subfleet of 733s used on transcon flights that was dubbed 733LR and equipped with supplemental fuel tanks and an IFE system. They also used the 734 on some CLT transcons as well.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:28 pm

USAirALB wrote:
Transcon fleet-types by routes from LAX by AA/US/CO/UA/DL/TW in 1995, according to Departed flights:
Widebodies really started to be taken off routes that didn't touch BOS/NYC/WAS/MIA by the late 1990s, although a few exceptions remained. I flew a US 762 on PIT-LAX in Feb 2001, and I believe US continued to schedule the 762 into LAX until around 2003 or so.

US had a subfleet of 733s used on transcon flights that was dubbed 733LR and equipped with supplemental fuel tanks and an IFE system. They also used the 734 on some CLT transcons as well.


Thanks for posting that list. What a dream, to fly a DC-10 across the continent, rather than the dime-a-dozen A321 and 739ERs we see now.
Sure, one of the bloomin' things leaves every 15 minutes, but I'd still prefer a DC-10 or a L-1011, etc.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:21 pm

AA737-823 wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
Transcon fleet-types by routes from LAX by AA/US/CO/UA/DL/TW in 1995, according to Departed flights:
Widebodies really started to be taken off routes that didn't touch BOS/NYC/WAS/MIA by the late 1990s, although a few exceptions remained. I flew a US 762 on PIT-LAX in Feb 2001, and I believe US continued to schedule the 762 into LAX until around 2003 or so.

US had a subfleet of 733s used on transcon flights that was dubbed 733LR and equipped with supplemental fuel tanks and an IFE system. They also used the 734 on some CLT transcons as well.


Thanks for posting that list. What a dream, to fly a DC-10 across the continent, rather than the dime-a-dozen A321 and 739ERs we see now.
Sure, one of the bloomin' things leaves every 15 minutes, but I'd still prefer a DC-10 or a L-1011, etc.

One thing I wonder about is what the flying public thought about flying on a 737 transcontinentally, as AA/CO did in the late 1990s, or if they didn't even notice the difference. I wonder if AA (in Y at least, I would expect them to do so in F) priced an IAD-LAX flight operated by a 738 differently than an IAD-LAX segment operated by a D10.

I have older family members who insist that larger (read: widebody) aircraft are safer, and several years ago I went to Alaska with my grandfather in the mid-2000s. We flew CO on EWR-YVR, and I remember him being shocked/amazed that a 737 was being used for such a route.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:05 pm

I'm getting old, but when I first read the title I thought MD90 transcontinental aircraft. lol - presume they did not have the range.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:01 am

seat1a wrote:
I'm getting old, but when I first read the title I thought MD90 transcontinental aircraft. lol - presume they did not have the range.


I first thought that too with the title. The MD-90 did not have the range (though the ER which was never operational by a US airline would have). I recall DL utilizing it on ATL-TUS, which is about 1 hour less of flying time than LAX.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:41 am

DeltaMD95 wrote:
seat1a wrote:
I'm getting old, but when I first read the title I thought MD90 transcontinental aircraft. lol - presume they did not have the range.


I first thought that too with the title. The MD-90 did not have the range (though the ER which was never operational by a US airline would have). I recall DL utilizing it on ATL-TUS, which is about 1 hour less of flying time than LAX.


Won't hijack thread, but a lot were based out of SLC and ATL, right?
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:02 am

seat1a wrote:
DeltaMD95 wrote:
seat1a wrote:
I'm getting old, but when I first read the title I thought MD90 transcontinental aircraft. lol - presume they did not have the range.


I first thought that too with the title. The MD-90 did not have the range (though the ER which was never operational by a US airline would have). I recall DL utilizing it on ATL-TUS, which is about 1 hour less of flying time than LAX.


Won't hijack thread, but a lot were based out of SLC and ATL, right?


Yes, that’s true; pre-merger. I think at one time SLC-YYZ was operated and was possibly the longest MD-90 route from SLC.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:36 am

AA737-823 wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
Transcon fleet-types by routes from LAX by AA/US/CO/UA/DL/TW in 1995, according to Departed flights:
Widebodies really started to be taken off routes that didn't touch BOS/NYC/WAS/MIA by the late 1990s, although a few exceptions remained. I flew a US 762 on PIT-LAX in Feb 2001, and I believe US continued to schedule the 762 into LAX until around 2003 or so.

US had a subfleet of 733s used on transcon flights that was dubbed 733LR and equipped with supplemental fuel tanks and an IFE system. They also used the 734 on some CLT transcons as well.


Thanks for posting that list. What a dream, to fly a DC-10 across the continent, rather than the dime-a-dozen A321 and 739ERs we see now.
Sure, one of the bloomin' things leaves every 15 minutes, but I'd still prefer a DC-10 or a L-1011, etc.


I remember flying on a NW DC-10 from MSP-SFO in 1990. Those days are long gone.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:38 am

NW used to have regularly scheduled 747's from MSP to PHX and TPA if I recall. When they started narrow bodies cross country, It was a big downgrade, although last one I did wide body, SFO-EWR on a 10 seat across 777,was not a good experience either way too cramped in coach.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:51 pm

USAirALB wrote:
One thing I wonder about is what the flying public thought about flying on a 737 transcontinentally, as AA/CO did in the late 1990s, or if they didn't even notice the difference. I wonder if AA (in Y at least, I would expect them to do so in F) priced an IAD-LAX flight operated by a 738 differently than an IAD-LAX segment operated by a D10.


I guess they didn't really notice the difference, after all transcontinental flights on narrow bodies were nothing new. Plenty of 757s flew such routes every day and before that those routes were flown on 707s and DC-8s. I guess those were occasionally still seen in the 90's although they were on their way out obviously.

To most people, it was just a plane and if the airline put it on that route that means the aircraft was capable of flying it. That's as far as they're concerned.

I remember one day when my father had taken a flight. He's not interested in aviation at all and when I asked him afterwards which type of aircraft he had flown he had no idea. "It had two wings and a tail", was as much as he knew. I guess most people are like that.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:27 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
One thing I wonder about is what the flying public thought about flying on a 737 transcontinentally, as AA/CO did in the late 1990s, or if they didn't even notice the difference. I wonder if AA (in Y at least, I would expect them to do so in F) priced an IAD-LAX flight operated by a 738 differently than an IAD-LAX segment operated by a D10.

To most people, it was just a plane and if the airline put it on that route that means the aircraft was capable of flying it. That's as far as they're concerned.

I remember one day when my father had taken a flight. He's not interested in aviation at all and when I asked him afterwards which type of aircraft he had flown he had no idea. "It had two wings and a tail", was as much as he knew. I guess most people are like that.

I think that's somewhat true, except for turboprops.

For some reason, the flying public in the US largely view turboprops (even brand new ones) as old technology and unsafe, and seem to have a quasi-fear of them.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:16 am

AA737-823 wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
Transcon fleet-types by routes from LAX by AA/US/CO/UA/DL/TW in 1995, according to Departed flights:
Widebodies really started to be taken off routes that didn't touch BOS/NYC/WAS/MIA by the late 1990s, although a few exceptions remained. I flew a US 762 on PIT-LAX in Feb 2001, and I believe US continued to schedule the 762 into LAX until around 2003 or so.

US had a subfleet of 733s used on transcon flights that was dubbed 733LR and equipped with supplemental fuel tanks and an IFE system. They also used the 734 on some CLT transcons as well.


Thanks for posting that list. What a dream, to fly a DC-10 across the continent, rather than the dime-a-dozen A321 and 739ERs we see now.
Sure, one of the bloomin' things leaves every 15 minutes, but I'd still prefer a DC-10 or a L-1011, etc.


A lot of the D10s were in pretty rough shape by the late '90s, though. I had a TATL on one in what would have been early 2001 (EWR-FCO) and that was the most clapped-out aircraft interior I've ever seen - water dripping from the vents, random stains, dropdowns barely functioning if at all, broken headphone jacks, tape on the sidewalls, weird stains, bins shuddering and bouncing all over in light chop - and that was all within a row or two of where I sat. I'd gladly have taken a dime-a-dozen anything instead of that POS.

They weren't quite as bad a few years earlier, but I remember them being pretty ragged across multiple carriers. It was clear they were on the way out years before they actually got there.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:34 am

IADCA wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
Transcon fleet-types by routes from LAX by AA/US/CO/UA/DL/TW in 1995, according to Departed flights:
Widebodies really started to be taken off routes that didn't touch BOS/NYC/WAS/MIA by the late 1990s, although a few exceptions remained. I flew a US 762 on PIT-LAX in Feb 2001, and I believe US continued to schedule the 762 into LAX until around 2003 or so.

US had a subfleet of 733s used on transcon flights that was dubbed 733LR and equipped with supplemental fuel tanks and an IFE system. They also used the 734 on some CLT transcons as well.


Thanks for posting that list. What a dream, to fly a DC-10 across the continent, rather than the dime-a-dozen A321 and 739ERs we see now.
Sure, one of the bloomin' things leaves every 15 minutes, but I'd still prefer a DC-10 or a L-1011, etc.


A lot of the D10s were in pretty rough shape by the late '90s, though. I had a TATL on one in what would have been early 2001 (EWR-FCO) and that was the most clapped-out aircraft interior I've ever seen - water dripping from the vents, random stains, dropdowns barely functioning if at all, broken headphone jacks, tape on the sidewalls, weird stains, bins shuddering and bouncing all over in light chop - and that was all within a row or two of where I sat. I'd gladly have taken a dime-a-dozen anything instead of that POS.

They weren't quite as bad a few years earlier, but I remember them being pretty ragged across multiple carriers. It was clear they were on the way out years before they actually got there.

Frankly that sounds like more of a CO problem rather than a D10 problem.

NW's D10s were in much, much better shape.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:21 am

IADCA wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
Transcon fleet-types by routes from LAX by AA/US/CO/UA/DL/TW in 1995, according to Departed flights:
Widebodies really started to be taken off routes that didn't touch BOS/NYC/WAS/MIA by the late 1990s, although a few exceptions remained. I flew a US 762 on PIT-LAX in Feb 2001, and I believe US continued to schedule the 762 into LAX until around 2003 or so.

US had a subfleet of 733s used on transcon flights that was dubbed 733LR and equipped with supplemental fuel tanks and an IFE system. They also used the 734 on some CLT transcons as well.


Thanks for posting that list. What a dream, to fly a DC-10 across the continent, rather than the dime-a-dozen A321 and 739ERs we see now.
Sure, one of the bloomin' things leaves every 15 minutes, but I'd still prefer a DC-10 or a L-1011, etc.


A lot of the D10s were in pretty rough shape by the late '90s, though. I had a TATL on one in what would have been early 2001 (EWR-FCO) and that was the most clapped-out aircraft interior I've ever seen - water dripping from the vents, random stains, dropdowns barely functioning if at all, broken headphone jacks, tape on the sidewalls, weird stains, bins shuddering and bouncing all over in light chop - and that was all within a row or two of where I sat. I'd gladly have taken a dime-a-dozen anything instead of that POS.

They weren't quite as bad a few years earlier, but I remember them being pretty ragged across multiple carriers. It was clear they were on the way out years before they actually got there.



I flew on quite a few NW DC-10's in the 90's. None were in anywhere near that bad a shape.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:43 pm

ElroyJetson wrote:


I flew on quite a few NW DC-10's in the 90's. None were in anywhere near that bad a shape.


USAirALB wrote:
Frankly that sounds like more of a CO problem rather than a D10 problem.

NW's D10s were in much, much better shape.


Good to know that one carrier had ones that were still in decent shape. CO, UA, and AA ones were all pretty ragged in my experience.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:48 pm

IADCA wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:


I flew on quite a few NW DC-10's in the 90's. None were in anywhere near that bad a shape.


USAirALB wrote:
Frankly that sounds like more of a CO problem rather than a D10 problem.

NW's D10s were in much, much better shape.


Good to know that one carrier had ones that were still in decent shape. CO, UA, and AA ones were all pretty ragged in my experience.

Keep in mind that AA/UA retired the fleet well before 9/11, and CO retired them in October 2001. All three carriers (except for CO until the 767s were delivered in the late 90s) had largely only used them on high-density domestic segments by the late 1990s...they were on their way out.

OTOH, the D10s were a vital part of NW's intercontinental fleet until 2007, so they kept them pretty much well maintained. The hard product onboard was certainly dated, although the cabins themselves were clean and well-maintained. Some of NW's D10s were relatively new too at the time, built in the late 1980s.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:59 pm

USAirALB wrote:
IADCA wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:


I flew on quite a few NW DC-10's in the 90's. None were in anywhere near that bad a shape.


USAirALB wrote:
Frankly that sounds like more of a CO problem rather than a D10 problem.

NW's D10s were in much, much better shape.


Good to know that one carrier had ones that were still in decent shape. CO, UA, and AA ones were all pretty ragged in my experience.

Keep in mind that AA/UA retired the fleet well before 9/11, and CO retired them in October 2001. All three carriers (except for CO until the 767s were delivered in the late 90s) had largely only used them on high-density domestic segments by the late 1990s...they were on their way out.

OTOH, the D10s were a vital part of NW's intercontinental fleet until 2007, so they kept them pretty much well maintained. The hard product onboard was certainly dated, although the cabins themselves were clean and well-maintained. Some of NW's D10s were relatively new too at the time, built in the late 1980s.


Oh, I know that, but this is a thread about transcon aircraft in the mid '90s and some folks are waxing nostalgic about how cool it would have been to be on DC-10s. My perspective as someone whose butt was in the seats of said DC-10s was a little less rosy.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:26 pm

did UA only use the queen on LAX/IAD ?did another airlines use the queen on dom flights?
 
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The best thing about DC-10 domestic flying, and 767s for that matter was being able to get the 2 seats on the outsides of the aisle which made it super pleasant when traveling as a couple. Also with the two aisles and spacing of exits you didn’t end up with the carts blocking the aisle or queues at the bathrooms like you tend to see on todays narrow body transcons
 
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Italianflyer wrote:
757s and 767-200s with an occasional DC10 (usually for positioning purposes). When the 777 was introduced in the mid-90s it was deployed occasionally.


NW had a regularly-scheduled DC-10 on DTW-SFO (which isn't quite a transcon, but pretty close). They also used A320s and 757s. DL had an SFO-ATL flight on an L-1011 as late as 1999.

bluefrog wrote:
did UA only use the queen on LAX/IAD ?did another airlines use the queen on dom flights?


I definitely took a UA 742 from ORD to SFO, and they operated them from SFO to IAD. By the late 1990s they operated a 777 from SFO to ORD.

ElroyJetson wrote:
I flew on quite a few NW DC-10's in the 90's. None were in anywhere near that bad a shape.


By the 1990s, NW had made a major investment in their interiors. The DC-9s were outfitted in a new interior that was almost indistinguishable from a 717. The DC-10s still had their original style of interior, but they were clean and well-maintained.
 
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Italianflyer wrote:
757s and 767-200s with an occasional DC10 (usually for positioning purposes). When the 777 was introduced in the mid-90s it was deployed occasionally.


NW had a regularly-scheduled DC-10 on DTW-SFO (which isn't quite a transcon, but pretty close). They also used A320s and 757s. DL had an SFO-ATL flight on an L-1011 as late as 1999.

bluefrog wrote:
did UA only use the queen on LAX/IAD ?did another airlines use the queen on dom flights?


I definitely took a UA 742 from ORD to SFO, and they operated them from SFO to IAD. By the late 1990s they operated a 777 from SFO to ORD.

ElroyJetson wrote:
I flew on quite a few NW DC-10's in the 90's. None were in anywhere near that bad a shape.


By the 1990s, NW had made a major investment in their interiors. The DC-9s were outfitted in a new interior that was almost indistinguishable from a 717. The DC-10s still had their original style of interior, but they were clean and well-maintained.


I flew on a NW 757 from SFO-DTW in 1990. And yes, NW flew DC-10's frequently from MSP and DTW to SFO in the 90's. I happen to remember the 757 flight because we went to flight level 390 and I thought that was unusual for a relatively short transcon flight.
 
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Re: Mid-90s Transcontinental Aircraft

Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:52 pm

ElroyJetson wrote:
I flew on a NW 757 from SFO-DTW in 1990. And yes, NW flew DC-10's frequently from MSP and DTW to SFO in the 90's. I happen to remember the 757 flight because we went to flight level 390 and I thought that was unusual for a relatively short transcon flight.


Makes perfect sense. DTW to SFO is a good 4 hours, so not really that short. This is also well under the capability of a 752 so if it doesn't have a full fuel load, it would make sense to fly as high as possible.

Similarly, on a HA A332 from SFO to HNL, we went right up to 390 because that 5 hour flight is really under the capability of an A332, so she would have had a light fuel load.

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