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laflip
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Question on boeing B777-300

Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:39 pm

My dears,
I'm nervous and stressed to take a boeing 777-300 for an 11Hours flight ,I have a few questions and your answers will ease my mind. 8-)
1) On boeing 777-300 is there the TCAS device?
2) pilots can quickly switch controls in case of problems (as on A350) during takeoff
3) how many pitot tubes are there on the 777-300?
4) Is this plane equipped with missile warning?
I thank you in advance for your answer :smile:
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:57 am

laflip wrote:
My dears,
I'm nervous and stressed to take a boeing 777-300 for an 11Hours flight ,I have a few questions and your answers will ease my mind. 8-)
1) On boeing 777-300 is there the TCAS device?
2) pilots can quickly switch controls in case of problems (as on A350) during takeoff
3) how many pitot tubes are there on the 777-300?
4) Is this plane equipped with missile warning?
I thank you in advance for your answer :smile:

1) Yes,
2) Yes,
3) Three,
4) Most unlikely unless you're flying El Al or another Israeli airline.

Regards, JetMech
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:48 am

I am pretty sure all commercial jets are required to have TCAS, so that wouldn't be an issue. As for pilots being able to switch controls during take-off, I'm not sure why that would be an issue, either. All the other pilot has to do is grab onto the controls and take over. It's not like they have to hit a bunch of buttons or anything to do it.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:11 pm

The 777-300 would not be that much different in safety than other comparable aircraft. They all have a high level of safety. So not much of a comparitive concern. Others above have answered your specific questions.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:08 pm

The 777 has an incredible safety record.

All FAA Part 121 aircraft with more than 30 seats require TCAS II and many 10-30 seat turbine aircraft operating Part 135 must as well. In EU airspace, any aircraft built after 2012 greater than 5700 kg in weight must have TCAS, as must all air carrier operations. I doubt there is a single 777 that has not been equipped with TCAS since they started building them in 1995.

Control authority can be switched even faster on a 777 than an A350. The 777 also has the benefit of dual feedback.

3 pitot tubes and a pitot static system certified for safe flight and redundancy.

As for missile defense - maybe flying isn't a great idea if you're this scared. Unless it's El Al, no.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:32 pm

I think some FedEx planes have missile warnings as well, not that that is relevant to the questions posed.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:36 am

The OP was terrified several months ago when he had to fly on an A350. It seems to be a regular occurrence.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1468793&p=23109889#p23109889
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:09 am

If I were you, I'd be much less choosy about aircraft type (the 77W is incredibly well built) and more concerned with quality of the carrier (training, procedures, number of incidents etc) you book with.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:39 am

N1120A wrote:
The 777 has an incredible safety record.

All FAA Part 121 aircraft with more than 30 seats require TCAS II and many 10-30 seat turbine aircraft operating Part 135 must as well. In EU airspace, any aircraft built after 2012 greater than 5700 kg in weight must have TCAS, as must all air carrier operations. I doubt there is a single 777 that has not been equipped with TCAS since they started building them in 1995.

Control authority can be switched even faster on a 777 than an A350. The 777 also has the benefit of dual feedback.

3 pitot tubes and a pitot static system certified for safe flight and redundancy.

As for missile defense - maybe flying isn't a great idea if you're this scared. Unless it's El Al, no.


Control authority switching is no faster on a 777 than on an A350.

Whether dual feedback is an advantage or not is highly debatable, but either way that discussion would take us down a deep, and frequently visited, rabbit hole. :D

Suffice it to say that both airliners are extremely safe when flown by well trained pilots according to standard operating procedures.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:49 am

Perhaps a tramp steamer would be a less stressful mode of transport.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:56 pm

Thanks for your precisions ! :smile:
I also read that an Air France boeing 777-300 er no longer responded to commands when landing and proceeded to go around! do you know if it's a professional fault on the part of the pilots or is it the boeing?
I have to take a b777_300 from air france :indifferent:
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Mon Aug 08, 2022 5:26 pm

laflip wrote:
Thanks for your precisions ! :smile:
I also read that an Air France boeing 777-300 er no longer responded to commands when landing and proceeded to go around! do you know if it's a professional fault on the part of the pilots or is it the boeing?
I have to take a b777_300 from air france :indifferent:


I'm going to put it real succinctly for you: It's as safe as any other commercial plane flying from either Boeing or Airbus.

Have a superb flight.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:31 pm

laflip wrote:
I also read that an Air France boeing 777-300 er no longer responded to commands when landing and proceeded to go around!


I’m not sure what you mean by that, but if the pilot thinks it’s unsafe to land they must absolutely go around, even if they have been given a landing clearance by ATC.

*Edit Not sure if you are referring to aircraft automation, or pilot action, I’m not a pilot, but in my understanding is in normal operations the autopilot is usually disabled and the pilot flying will land the aircraft manually, although if it is low visibility if the aircraft and airport are equipped, and crew appropriately trained they can do a CAT III auto land using the autopilot. I’m not familiar with the automatics on the 777 but I’m guessing if it is set up for an auto land and something happens to the system it doesn’t like it will automatically initiate a go around.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:44 pm

laflip wrote:
Thanks for your precisions ! :smile:
I also read that an Air France boeing 777-300 er no longer responded to commands when landing and proceeded to go around! do you know if it's a professional fault on the part of the pilots or is it the boeing?
I have to take a b777_300 from air france :indifferent:


Nothing wrong with the 777. It was the Air France pilots that screwed up (again).
https://avherald.com/h?article=4f700fec&opt=0
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:13 am

N1120A wrote:
The 777 has an incredible safety record.

All FAA Part 121 aircraft with more than 30 seats require TCAS II and many 10-30 seat turbine aircraft operating Part 135 must as well. In EU airspace, any aircraft built after 2012 greater than 5700 kg in weight must have TCAS, as must all air carrier operations. I doubt there is a single 777 that has not been equipped with TCAS since they started building them in 1995.

Control authority can be switched even faster on a 777 than an A350. The 777 also has the benefit of dual feedback.

3 pitot tubes and a pitot static system certified for safe flight and redundancy.

As for missile defense - maybe flying isn't a great idea if you're this scared. Unless it's El Al, no.


Correct. Not one single 777 has been delivered without TCAS.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:20 am

johns624 wrote:
The OP was terrified several months ago when he had to fly on an A350. It seems to be a regular occurrence.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1468793&p=23109889#p23109889


I’ve seen both of these threads. I honestly wonder if it is some kind of joke or trolling.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:57 am

if the pilots are at fault! i hope that air france has sent its fleet back to flight simulators! and I pray not to have the 2 pilots! what happens to the pilots who are under investigation? are they allowed to fly together again?
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:51 pm

laflip wrote:
if the pilots are at fault! i hope that air france has sent its fleet back to flight simulators! and I pray not to have the 2 pilots! what happens to the pilots who are under investigation? are they allowed to fly together again?
All you have to do is look at the literally thousands of flights completed safely every day to know that flying is safe. Nobody is telling you that you have to get on the plane.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:19 pm

BoeingGuy ,
I'm not a troll, I don't feel safe on a plane and I try to understand to be reassured! my situation is made that I am obliged to take the plane! and thanks for the replies! but i'm not trolling
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:24 pm

Feeling safe or, in the opposite, fear are irrational and applying statistics to change that dynamic are little help. My wife simply will not fly, period. OTOH, I’ve flown, as pilot and passenger, nearly my whole life despite knowing over a dozen friends killed in planes and surviving a mid-air by a edge of the envelope ejection. Like Neil Armstrong confessing after ejecting from the lunar trainer at 100’, “yes, I went back to office to finish paperwork”. Ice in the veins.

You’re no obliged to fly, you always have options.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:02 pm

should you excuse me for the anxiety! from paris to in the indian ocean there are surely 10000 quick solutions to get there.
only the flightaware is reassuring and you are right on this point
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:26 am

Option could be don’t go, which is used by millions, including Mrs. GF.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:14 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Option could be don’t go, which is used by millions, including Mrs. GF.


That’s fascinating. Is your wife scared of flying or just ‘over it’?

My father in law sold airplanes for a living, went to all the air shows, etc for 30 years, but at the end, you couldn’t pay him to get on a plane. Times had just changed and he couldn’t be bothered.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:24 am

nice option!!! it will allow me to go see my sick family dying! by not going there you are a light
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:33 am

laflip wrote:
if the pilots are at fault! i hope that air france has sent its fleet back to flight simulators! and I pray not to have the 2 pilots! what happens to the pilots who are under investigation? are they allowed to fly together again?


Again, just book with carriers with a good reputation for adequate safety, training, and upkeep. The type of plane is basically not important.
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:36 am

Thank you Aaron747
Air France is good company ! I think lol
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:01 pm

laflip wrote:
Air France is good company


Yes, it is.

Air France has been in business for almost 89 years (established 1933).

They also helped establish many airlines around the world and provided them with operational and technical support.

e38
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:33 am

Yes, Air France is a reputable very safe established airline. Any incidents or accidents in their history have been random in nature or cause as is the case with most carriers. I would have no hesitation getting on one of their aircraft regardless of type. Biggest gripe here on A-net and aviation community in general is dirty looking planes, Having never been to France I assume the cost of soap, water and paint must be high. :duck: :lol:
 
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Re: Question on boeing B777-300

Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:44 pm

AAPilot48Heavy wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Option could be don’t go, which is used by millions, including Mrs. GF.


That’s fascinating. Is your wife scared of flying or just ‘over it’?

My father in law sold airplanes for a living, went to all the air shows, etc for 30 years, but at the end, you couldn’t pay him to get on a plane. Times had just changed and he couldn’t be bothered.


Does. Not. Fly. Every aspect from security, crowds, paperwork, flying, the lot is simply beyond her ability to deal with it. In corporate aviation I’ve seen dozens of frightful passengers, owning the plane means they have some control which is a comfort.

Frankly, all of my corporate pilot friends hate airline travel—it’s awful and gets worse daily. I am not scared as the wife is, but I don’t look forward to any flights in tubular extrusions. A private plane, OTOH, is pure pleasure. Win the Powerball, first call will be to a salesman for a Global/Gulfstream.

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