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- remymartin11
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PHX RDU Nonstop
Live in PHX and fly to RDU 1-2x per month. Not sure why AA doesn't fly this at least 10 months out of the year. Feel like AA and SW just pop up the route and then drop it. Always full, lot of fellow CK members always on board. Avoiding stop in DFW or CLT saves 2 hours minimum. Come on AA - make this a year round route.
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Unfortunately it's a long, "thin" route that overflies DFW and CLT..
It took forever to get BNA as a year round route on AA.
It took forever to get BNA as a year round route on AA.
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A full flight does not mean a profitable flight. PHX isn't necessarily high-yielding, and virtually all available transfer opportunities ex PHX can be accessed via both DFW and CLT.
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- remymartin11
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Re: PHX RDU Nonstop
Long and thin and high yielding, like RDU-KEF? SMH
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MIflyer12 wrote:Too far for an E75. Too thin for a 319?
When it is flown, it is normally a 321.
The choice not to fly it right now has more to do with it taking a lot of aircraft and crew time at a time where the aircraft are needed elsewhere.
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What's the O&D on the route?
It's a route I flew a number of times, America West was on it before the mergers and was on a SW flight where they were trialling in flight internet - those hours literally flew by - so a bit surprised either AA or SW can't make a single flight a day work.
It's a route I flew a number of times, America West was on it before the mergers and was on a SW flight where they were trialling in flight internet - those hours literally flew by - so a bit surprised either AA or SW can't make a single flight a day work.
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alasizon wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:Too far for an E75. Too thin for a 319?
When it is flown, it is normally a 321.
The choice not to fly it right now has more to do with it taking a lot of aircraft and crew time at a time where the aircraft are needed elsewhere.
AA1517, PHX-RDU is currently operating, departed PHX today at 1054 am, operated with a 738.
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chepos wrote:alasizon wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:Too far for an E75. Too thin for a 319?
When it is flown, it is normally a 321.
The choice not to fly it right now has more to do with it taking a lot of aircraft and crew time at a time where the aircraft are needed elsewhere.
AA1517, PHX-RDU is currently operating, departed PHX today at 1054 am, operated with a 738.
Didn't realize its back to a 738. Either way, route has been back since September, takes a break for the holidays and then comes back in January and is bookable through at least March so clearly more than the 2 months the OP implied.
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I see dates through the spring/summer.....so not sure what all this is about?
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stlgph wrote:I see dates through the spring/summer.....so not sure what all this is about?
That’s a fake schedule.
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PHX is a bigger hub for AA in the winter, plain and simple. Routes like PHX-MSY, PHX-GRR, PHX-CVG, PHX-RDU, PHX-PIT, etc. are almost always there in the winter when the ORD and PHL hubs are bare bones, but they may or may not appear in the summer depending on how much capacity AA is able to allocate to PHX after the more summer-heavy hubs have been taken care of.
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- remymartin11
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Re: PHX RDU Nonstop
PHX is only AA hub without year round N/S to/from RDU. I live in PHX and heavy travel to RDU and non stop is amazing. 738 today that I'm on. Brutal to stop in DFW or CLT. I get summer months, but bipolar schedule is confounding to say the least. Stake a claim and don't just play copycat with SW.
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I flew that route multiple times in the América West days…. Man I miss that airline
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remymartin11 wrote:Long and thin and high yielding, like RDU-KEF? SMH
What does RDU-KEF have to do with RDU-PHX? I can single-handedly assure you that RDU-KEF is not "high-yielding", especially as FI is essentially a LCC targeting budget-minded travelers in the TATL market.
remymartin11 wrote:PHX is only AA hub without year round N/S to/from RDU. I live in PHX and heavy travel to RDU and non stop is amazing. 738 today that I'm on. Brutal to stop in DFW or CLT. I get summer months, but bipolar schedule is confounding to say the least. Stake a claim and don't just play copycat with SW.
No offense, but it's amusing to me that you are a CK (which you stated in your original post) yet you seem to have no idea how basic airline economics work.
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USAirALB wrote:remymartin11 wrote:Long and thin and high yielding, like RDU-KEF? SMH
What does RDU-KEF have to do with RDU-PHX? I can single-handedly assure you that RDU-KEF is not "high-yielding", especially as FI is essentially a LCC targeting budget-minded travelers in the TATL market.remymartin11 wrote:PHX is only AA hub without year round N/S to/from RDU. I live in PHX and heavy travel to RDU and non stop is amazing. 738 today that I'm on. Brutal to stop in DFW or CLT. I get summer months, but bipolar schedule is confounding to say the least. Stake a claim and don't just play copycat with SW.
No offense, but it's amusing to me that you are a CK (which you stated in your original post) yet you seem to have no idea how basic airline economics work.
I'm 99% sure the OP isn't a CK.
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alasizon wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:Too far for an E75. Too thin for a 319?
When it is flown, it is normally a 321.
The choice not to fly it right now has more to do with it taking a lot of aircraft and crew time at a time where the aircraft are needed elsewhere.
Thank you. So it's a seasonal route. That's not a surprise. Look at DL/AA/WN DTW-PHX winter vs. summer.
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hayzel777 wrote:stlgph wrote:I see dates through the spring/summer.....so not sure what all this is about?
That’s a fake schedule.
bummer, then i guess the London nonstop isn't happening in the spring and summer, either, eh?
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USAirALB wrote:A full flight does not mean a profitable flight. PHX isn't necessarily high-yielding, and virtually all available transfer opportunities ex PHX can be accessed via both DFW and CLT.
PHX has enough tech traffic that I'd wager the yields on such a flight would be sufficient.
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I think that another likely reason that AA and WN don't feel obligated to offer it is that when they drop it, they still hold onto the majority of the traffic because UA and DL are both relatively weak at both ends of the route.
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USAirALB wrote:remymartin11 wrote:Long and thin and high yielding, like RDU-KEF? SMH
What does RDU-KEF have to do with RDU-PHX? I can single-handedly assure you that RDU-KEF is not "high-yielding", especially as FI is essentially a LCC targeting budget-minded travelers in the TATL market.remymartin11 wrote:PHX is only AA hub without year round N/S to/from RDU. I live in PHX and heavy travel to RDU and non stop is amazing. 738 today that I'm on. Brutal to stop in DFW or CLT. I get summer months, but bipolar schedule is confounding to say the least. Stake a claim and don't just play copycat with SW.
No offense, but it's amusing to me that you are a CK (which you stated in your original post) yet you seem to have no idea how basic airline economics work.
I can single-handidly assure you that RDU-KEF is incredibly high yielding. In fact, it's one of the most successful new route launches the carrier has had in recent history. Don't believe me? Look at how not-cheap the fares are for next summer for that flight, and how often they've extended the seasonality for it.
Source: I was heavily involved in the launch of this route and have recently discussed its performance with the airline.
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stlgph wrote:hayzel777 wrote:stlgph wrote:I see dates through the spring/summer.....so not sure what all this is about?
That’s a fake schedule.
bummer, then i guess the London nonstop isn't happening in the spring and summer, either, eh?
PHXLHR is real. They need to fly it to keep the slot but the domestic schedules are fake until they publish a real operating schedule.
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Re: PHX RDU Nonstop
drdisque wrote:I think that another likely reason that AA and WN don't feel obligated to offer it is that when they drop it, they still hold onto the majority of the traffic because UA and DL are both relatively weak at both ends of the route.
DL is weak in RDU? I'd love to know the logic there since last I saw, Delta was still the number one carrier at RDU (albeit much smaller than before COVID).
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floridaflyboy wrote:drdisque wrote:I think that another likely reason that AA and WN don't feel obligated to offer it is that when they drop it, they still hold onto the majority of the traffic because UA and DL are both relatively weak at both ends of the route.
DL is weak in RDU? I'd love to know the logic there since last I saw, Delta was still the number one carrier at RDU (albeit much smaller than before COVID).
https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports. ... 4vr4=SNPgf
Still number one, but not by much
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Point taken.
I still think not many pax fly RDU-PHX on DL.
also the BTS stats for airlines kind of suck because they are by operating carrier and not marketing carrier. If you look further down you'll see that Pax on RDU-ATL is less than the total on RDU-CLT and RDU-MIA. I know DL also has DTW but AA also has ORD and DFW and both AA and DL fly LGA/JFK.
I still think not many pax fly RDU-PHX on DL.
also the BTS stats for airlines kind of suck because they are by operating carrier and not marketing carrier. If you look further down you'll see that Pax on RDU-ATL is less than the total on RDU-CLT and RDU-MIA. I know DL also has DTW but AA also has ORD and DFW and both AA and DL fly LGA/JFK.
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Murdoughnut wrote:USAirALB wrote:remymartin11 wrote:Long and thin and high yielding, like RDU-KEF? SMH
What does RDU-KEF have to do with RDU-PHX? I can single-handedly assure you that RDU-KEF is not "high-yielding", especially as FI is essentially a LCC targeting budget-minded travelers in the TATL market.remymartin11 wrote:PHX is only AA hub without year round N/S to/from RDU. I live in PHX and heavy travel to RDU and non stop is amazing. 738 today that I'm on. Brutal to stop in DFW or CLT. I get summer months, but bipolar schedule is confounding to say the least. Stake a claim and don't just play copycat with SW.
No offense, but it's amusing to me that you are a CK (which you stated in your original post) yet you seem to have no idea how basic airline economics work.
I can single-handidly assure you that RDU-KEF is incredibly high yielding. In fact, it's one of the most successful new route launches the carrier has had in recent history. Don't believe me? Look at how not-cheap the fares are for next summer for that flight, and how often they've extended the seasonality for it.
Source: I was heavily involved in the launch of this route and have recently discussed its performance with the airline.
I can tell you that it is high-yielding. I’ve gotten confirmation that the flights have been operating at about 98% capacity both ways on most days. In summer months, it upgrades during peak travel times to the Max 9. They also extended the flight schedule. Originally supposed to run May-October, they extended it to end in January. They have now scheduled it to resume in March and the flight will become 5x weekly in May
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alasizon wrote:USAirALB wrote:remymartin11 wrote:Long and thin and high yielding, like RDU-KEF? SMH
What does RDU-KEF have to do with RDU-PHX? I can single-handedly assure you that RDU-KEF is not "high-yielding", especially as FI is essentially a LCC targeting budget-minded travelers in the TATL market.remymartin11 wrote:PHX is only AA hub without year round N/S to/from RDU. I live in PHX and heavy travel to RDU and non stop is amazing. 738 today that I'm on. Brutal to stop in DFW or CLT. I get summer months, but bipolar schedule is confounding to say the least. Stake a claim and don't just play copycat with SW.
No offense, but it's amusing to me that you are a CK (which you stated in your original post) yet you seem to have no idea how basic airline economics work.
I'm 99% sure the OP isn't a CK.
A CK? Whats a CK? A ...Calvin Klein???
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AntonioMartin wrote:alasizon wrote:USAirALB wrote:What does RDU-KEF have to do with RDU-PHX? I can single-handedly assure you that RDU-KEF is not "high-yielding", especially as FI is essentially a LCC targeting budget-minded travelers in the TATL market.
No offense, but it's amusing to me that you are a CK (which you stated in your original post) yet you seem to have no idea how basic airline economics work.
I'm 99% sure the OP isn't a CK.
A CK? Whats a CK? A ...Calvin Klein???
I guess Cabin Krew. That's just a guess, mind you.
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AntonioMartin wrote:A CK? Whats a CK? A ...Calvin Klein???
A CK is an ConciergeKey membership, which includes AAdvantage Executive Platinum status and a few other perks.
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jplatts wrote:AntonioMartin wrote:A CK? Whats a CK? A ...Calvin Klein???
A CK is an ConciergeKey membership, which includes AAdvantage Executive Platinum status and a few other perks.
oooh ok gotcha! Thanks for the clarification!
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