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TheEuphorian
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Mon May 29, 2023 11:41 am

vhqpa wrote:
On strange 777 seating layouts, Lauda had a weird config where Y was 3-3-3 in the mid cabin, and 3-4-3 in the rear cabin. Not sure how long it was retained after the Austrian merger.

Source: I picked up a Austrian/Lauda schedule booklet circa. 2005 from a travel expo which had a seat plan of the combined fleet.


Notably, American Airlines also has this on their 77W fleet, where the 3-3-3 section was sold as Main Cabin Extra (Y+) , while the 3-4-3 section was normal Y.



Look closely in the background of this, where the 3-3-3 and the 3-4-3 layout are shown at the same time

 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Mon May 29, 2023 12:53 pm

TheEuphorian wrote:
vhqpa wrote:
On strange 777 seating layouts, Lauda had a weird config where Y was 3-3-3 in the mid cabin, and 3-4-3 in the rear cabin. Not sure how long it was retained after the Austrian merger.

Source: I picked up a Austrian/Lauda schedule booklet circa. 2005 from a travel expo which had a seat plan of the combined fleet.


Notably, American Airlines also has this on their 77W fleet, where the 3-3-3 section was sold as Main Cabin Extra (Y+) , while the 3-4-3 section was normal Y.



Look closely in the background of this, where the 3-3-3 and the 3-4-3 layout are shown at the same time

Northwest also had seats in the back of their DC-10 where one was removed.
2-5-2 to a 2-4-2 for the last 4 rows.

https://frequentlyflying.boardingarea.c ... -dc-10-40/
 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Mon May 29, 2023 5:08 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
miegapele wrote:
Asymmetric seating config used to be a thing on 777. Some airlines flew with 3-4-2 seating

Now.. I didn’t know that..!!
Who flew the Trip 7 in a 3-4-2 config..??

ANA, EgyptAir -200s, JAL -200ERs are the ones i know. more MD-11s had those however, Finnair on the front Y IIRC, KLM before 3-3-3 retrofit, Swissair, and some more.
 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Mon May 29, 2023 5:10 pm

ReverseFlow wrote:
TheEuphorian wrote:
vhqpa wrote:
On strange 777 seating layouts, Lauda had a weird config where Y was 3-3-3 in the mid cabin, and 3-4-3 in the rear cabin. Not sure how long it was retained after the Austrian merger.

Source: I picked up a Austrian/Lauda schedule booklet circa. 2005 from a travel expo which had a seat plan of the combined fleet.


Notably, American Airlines also has this on their 77W fleet, where the 3-3-3 section was sold as Main Cabin Extra (Y+) , while the 3-4-3 section was normal Y.



Look closely in the background of this, where the 3-3-3 and the 3-4-3 layout are shown at the same time

Northwest also had seats in the back of their DC-10 where one was removed.
2-5-2 to a 2-4-2 for the last 4 rows.

https://frequentlyflying.boardingarea.c ... -dc-10-40/

It's something common with planes, esp widebodies. 777s, 747s, A350s, A330s, etc. KLM and AF also sells the back Y seats as "duo" seats on 777s, with additional fee
 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Mon May 29, 2023 6:19 pm

EAGaviation wrote:
ReverseFlow wrote:
TheEuphorian wrote:

Notably, American Airlines also has this on their 77W fleet, where the 3-3-3 section was sold as Main Cabin Extra (Y+) , while the 3-4-3 section was normal Y.



Look closely in the background of this, where the 3-3-3 and the 3-4-3 layout are shown at the same time

Northwest also had seats in the back of their DC-10 where one was removed.
2-5-2 to a 2-4-2 for the last 4 rows.

https://frequentlyflying.boardingarea.c ... -dc-10-40/

It's something common with planes, esp widebodies. 777s, 747s, A350s, A330s, etc. KLM and AF also sells the back Y seats as "duo" seats on 777s, with additional fee
On one of the NWA DC-10 legs I took, I took one of those back seats (not for a premium).
Not something I'd pay an upgrade for!
 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Wed May 31, 2023 2:40 pm

TheEuphorian wrote:
vhqpa wrote:
On strange 777 seating layouts, Lauda had a weird config where Y was 3-3-3 in the mid cabin, and 3-4-3 in the rear cabin. Not sure how long it was retained after the Austrian merger.

Source: I picked up a Austrian/Lauda schedule booklet circa. 2005 from a travel expo which had a seat plan of the combined fleet.


Notably, American Airlines also has this on their 77W fleet, where the 3-3-3 section was sold as Main Cabin Extra (Y+) , while the 3-4-3 section was normal Y.



Look closely in the background of this, where the 3-3-3 and the 3-4-3 layout are shown at the same time


*had. now MCE is 10ab, and the 9ab MCE removal reason i don't know, but i would "assume" it's due to pax self upgrading to the wider, roomier seats
 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:15 pm

EAGaviation wrote:
TheEuphorian wrote:
vhqpa wrote:
On strange 777 seating layouts, Lauda had a weird config where Y was 3-3-3 in the mid cabin, and 3-4-3 in the rear cabin. Not sure how long it was retained after the Austrian merger.

Source: I picked up a Austrian/Lauda schedule booklet circa. 2005 from a travel expo which had a seat plan of the combined fleet.


Notably, American Airlines also has this on their 77W fleet, where the 3-3-3 section was sold as Main Cabin Extra (Y+) , while the 3-4-3 section was normal Y.



Look closely in the background of this, where the 3-3-3 and the 3-4-3 layout are shown at the same time


*had. now MCE is 10ab, and the 9ab MCE removal reason i don't know, but i would "assume" it's due to pax self upgrading to the wider, roomier seats


I might be wrong, but IIRC the 9-abreast MCE seats were removed when AA introduced their Premium Economy product.
 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:28 pm

Iberia used to have a hub in Miami where they operated short-haul flights to Latin America using DC-9's and A319's until 2004. Additionally, Iberia's first few A319's were actually based at MIA, not Madrid.



 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:33 pm

BoeingERJ1000 wrote:
EAGaviation wrote:
TheEuphorian wrote:

Notably, American Airlines also has this on their 77W fleet, where the 3-3-3 section was sold as Main Cabin Extra (Y+) , while the 3-4-3 section was normal Y.



Look closely in the background of this, where the 3-3-3 and the 3-4-3 layout are shown at the same time


*had. now MCE is 10ab, and the 9ab MCE removal reason i don't know, but i would "assume" it's due to pax self upgrading to the wider, roomier seats


I might be wrong, but IIRC the 9-abreast MCE seats were removed when AA introduced their Premium Economy product.

that makes sense.
 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:04 am

BoeingERJ1000 wrote:
Iberia used to have a hub in Miami where they operated short-haul flights to Latin America using DC-9's and A319's until 2004. Additionally, Iberia's first few A319's were actually based at MIA, not Madrid.






That’s interesting. I never knew that.

Have there been any other foreign carriers with hubs in the US?
 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:28 am

BowlingShoeDC9 wrote:
BoeingERJ1000 wrote:
Iberia used to have a hub in Miami where they operated short-haul flights to Latin America using DC-9's and A319's until 2004. Additionally, Iberia's first few A319's were actually based at MIA, not Madrid.






That’s interesting. I never knew that.

Have there been any other foreign carriers with hubs in the US?

Aerolíneas Argentinas made a wetlease of 727-100 N1993 with hub in MIA.

Air France had one or two A320 based in MIA to french-speaking islands.

In the mid-Nineties, Iberia had a DC-9 based in GRU to flights to ASU and MVD.

Around 2003-2005, AR had 2 MD-83 based in MAD to flights to LGW and CDG. The New VARIG (VRN) thought to based 737-300 in MAD too.
 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:05 am

PB26 wrote:
Air France had one or two A320 based in MIA to french-speaking islands.

And before the A320s …. 737s, before that, 727s. Caravelles before the 727s, with DC-4s before the Caravelles. Air France has a grand history flying around the French Antilles and to/from MIA and SJU.
 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:19 am

CrewBunk wrote:
PB26 wrote:
Air France had one or two A320 based in MIA to french-speaking islands.

And before the A320s …. 737s, before that, 727s. Caravelles before the 727s, with DC-4s before the Caravelles. Air France has a grand history flying around the French Antilles and to/from MIA and SJU.

Some photos of the various AF aircraft types mentioned taken at MIA:
 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:04 pm

vhqpa wrote:
On strange 777 seating layouts, Lauda had a weird config where Y was 3-3-3 in the mid cabin, and 3-4-3 in the rear cabin. Not sure how long it was retained after the Austrian merger.

Source: I picked up a Austrian/Lauda schedule booklet circa. 2005 from a travel expo which had a seat plan of the combined fleet.

The original Lauda idea was to have a more expensive Y class in the first cabin, but they abandoned the idea shortly before the 777 entered service.
 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:32 am

Don't know how well known.. but...

C for biz cabin came from Pan Am (Clipper Class)
Pan Am also once offered helicopter service in NYC to airports for certain tickets
 
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Re: The Little Known Fact thread

Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:23 am

Continental briefly based a few 757s in Guam as part of the Air Micronesia operation


Continental had a daytime flight using a 764 for a few years leaving EWR terminal B around 10Am arriving in LGW around 9Pm, much easier on the body !

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