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Ziyulu wrote:Are there any flights that operate from one airport to another in the same metro area? For example MDW to ORD or LAX to LGB?
Aceme wrote:Just seen on Flightradar24 that BA Regional do a service from London City airport to Southampton. I find it crazy that these flights even exist when you consider there is a direct train from London Waterloo straight to Southampton. How can an airline even see this as beneficial/profit to their network.
Makes me wonder how many other similar flights exists!?
Ziyulu wrote:Are there any flights that operate from one airport to another in the same metro area? For example MDW to ORD or LAX to LGB?
Ziyulu wrote:Are there any flights that operate from one airport to another in the same metro area? For example MDW to ORD or LAX to LGB?
DTWLAX wrote:Ziyulu wrote:Are there any flights that operate from one airport to another in the same metro area? For example MDW to ORD or LAX to LGB?
I believe there is LAX-SAN service. That is the closest today from LAX. But maybe sometimes it is faster than doing the 125 miles road trip.
I think there was a LAX-SNA service in the past that does not exist anymore.
rjsampson wrote:As the OP mentioned routes being better served by trains, SAN - LAX is decidedly not such a route.
Amtrak will take you from San Diego directly to downtown LA, far from LAX. Public transport (bus/light rail) is an hour-long slog from Union Station to LAX. Uber will add $$$ and anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour depending on traffic.
Gfgdfgv wrote:With the increase in night trains in Europe, you could possibly argue that many major routes are "best" served by train as there a great use of time (travel whilst you sleep) and save you on at least one hotel booking.
Even as a Ryanair fan boy I chose the sleeper train between TSR and OTP, and again need to do KRK-VIE next year but plan on taking Nightjet. For anyone who's never done a night-train, it's a fantastic way to travel! Heck if I one the lottery I would happily travel Europe by train instead of flying - it's relaxing, there's hundreds of scenic routes and if there's a dining car you'll see me in there
WildcatYXU wrote:Well, TSR-OTP is inside Romania. KRK-VIE is inside of the Schengen area. So you can sleep undisturbed when crossing the borders. It is a different story when you get woken up by immigration and customs officers in the middle of the night. I used to travel a lot by train between TAT and PRG. Taking my car with me. So when arriving to the Poprad station, I had to clear the car with customs, then board the car. Then the train arrived, the sleeper with the car transport were connected to the train ad we took off. But...in Zilina Slovak customs and immigration bordered. Then in Ostrava their Czech counterparts boarded. Again, passport and customs check. The suckers didn't even arrive at the same time! So the passengers were disturbed 4 times during the night. That wasn't enjoyable.
davidjohnson6 wrote:Czechia and Slovakia are both in Schengen and have been for 15 years. There should not normally be any customs or immigration checks between the two countries since 2007. Yes, Czechia can introduce border controls for a temporary period... but not forever, and my understanding is that the temporary border control period has already ended. Using the example of TAT to PRG as a reason not to go by train seems a rather historic example
DTWLAX wrote:Ziyulu wrote:Are there any flights that operate from one airport to another in the same metro area? For example MDW to ORD or LAX to LGB?
I believe there is LAX-SAN service. That is the closest today from LAX. But maybe sometimes it is faster than doing the 125 miles road trip.
I think there was a LAX-SNA service in the past that does not exist anymore.
WesternDC6B wrote:DTWLAX wrote:Ziyulu wrote:Are there any flights that operate from one airport to another in the same metro area? For example MDW to ORD or LAX to LGB?
I believe there is LAX-SAN service. That is the closest today from LAX. But maybe sometimes it is faster than doing the 125 miles road trip.
I think there was a LAX-SNA service in the past that does not exist anymore.
Were I still an Angeleno, I would definitely take The San Diegan or the Coast Starlight (?) LAX- SAN. No fighting the crowds at LAX, no security theater, roomier seats, and I get dropped right into down town SAN. Same for the airport of course, but still...
PatrickZ80 wrote:AMS-BRU is an example of a route which is better served by train, and yet it's flown by KLM Cityhopper. There are numerous high speed trains a day between Amsterdam and Brussels, they even stop at Amsterdam airport and those trains got flight numbers on them so they can serve as feeders. Why KLM still flies between AMS and BRU is beyond me, the train is just as fast and convenient.
PatrickZ80 wrote:AMS-BRU is an example of a route which is better served by train, and yet it's flown by KLM Cityhopper. There are numerous high speed trains a day between Amsterdam and Brussels, they even stop at Amsterdam airport and those trains got flight numbers on them so they can serve as feeders. Why KLM still flies between AMS and BRU is beyond me, the train is just as fast and convenient.
PatrickZ80 wrote:AMS-BRU is an example of a route which is better served by train, and yet it's flown by KLM Cityhopper.
PatrickZ80 wrote:Why KLM still flies between AMS and BRU is beyond me, the train is just as fast and convenient.
davidjohnson6 wrote:Czechia and Slovakia are both in Schengen and have been for 15 years. There should not normally be any customs or immigration checks between the two countries since 2007...
DTWLAX wrote:Ziyulu wrote:Are there any flights that operate from one airport to another in the same metro area? For example MDW to ORD or LAX to LGB?
I believe there is LAX-SAN service. That is the closest today from LAX. But maybe sometimes it is faster than doing the 125 miles road trip.
I think there was a LAX-SNA service in the past that does not exist anymore.
DTWLAX wrote:Ziyulu wrote:Are there any flights that operate from one airport to another in the same metro area? For example MDW to ORD or LAX to LGB?
I believe there is LAX-SAN service. That is the closest today from LAX. But maybe sometimes it is faster than doing the 125 miles road trip.
I think there was a LAX-SNA service in the past that does not exist anymore.
rjsampson wrote:DTWLAX wrote:Ziyulu wrote:Are there any flights that operate from one airport to another in the same metro area? For example MDW to ORD or LAX to LGB?
I believe there is LAX-SAN service. That is the closest today from LAX. But maybe sometimes it is faster than doing the 125 miles road trip.
I think there was a LAX-SNA service in the past that does not exist anymore.
As the OP mentioned routes being better served by trains, SAN - LAX is decidedly not such a route.
Amtrak will take you from San Diego directly to downtown LA, far from LAX. Public transport (bus/light rail) is an hour-long slog from Union Station to LAX. Uber will add $$$ and anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour depending on traffic.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:KCRQ at one time had service to KLAX, on UA, I believe.
hawaiian717 wrote:The SAN-LA O&D market either drives or takes a train or bus.
rjsampson wrote:hawaiian717 wrote:The SAN-LA O&D market either drives or takes a train or bus.
True. Except for my buddies and me! As San Diego (now Los Angeles) Chargers fans, we've decided to fly to games from SAN to LAX. The stadium is literally down the street.
I've also known people wanting to spend extended amounts of time in Santa Monica and Western LA to make the flight and rent a car (especially when traffic is predicted to be soul-crushing).
Idiosyncratic exceptions, yes. SAN-LAX is rarely O&D as you and others have mentioned.
NWAESC wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:KCRQ at one time had service to KLAX, on UA, I believe.
They did. If memory serves, WestAir (OE) flew CLD-LAX with J31s in the mid-to-late 90s. Not sure when it ended. .
GalaxyFlyer wrote:KCRQ at one time had service to KLAX, on UA, I believe.
TWA772LR wrote:I've said it once, I've said it 36 times. Intermodal hubs are the way to go.
TWA772LR wrote:I've said it once, I've said it 36 times. Intermodal hubs are the way to go.
Cubsrule wrote:rjsampson wrote:hawaiian717 wrote:The SAN-LA O&D market either drives or takes a train or bus.
True. Except for my buddies and me! As San Diego (now Los Angeles) Chargers fans, we've decided to fly to games from SAN to LAX. The stadium is literally down the street.
I've also known people wanting to spend extended amounts of time in Santa Monica and Western LA to make the flight and rent a car (especially when traffic is predicted to be soul-crushing).
Idiosyncratic exceptions, yes. SAN-LAX is rarely O&D as you and others have mentioned.
I don't think it's idiosyncratic necessarily. It makes the point that where a passenger is coming from or going to in Los Angeles is important. For places not too far from LAX, flying probably does make sense, but that's only a small percentage of the O&D. I had a period of time about a decade ago where I was going from downtown Los Angeles to downtown San Diego frequently, and I almost always took the train. From points south of Long Beach or so, driving wins every time.
I am sort of surprised that no one has ever tried a handful of daily flights on BUR-SAN; BUR is far enough north that ground transport really sucks regardless of mode.
TonyClifton wrote:Give me Acela for NYC-DC over a flight any day of the week. I’ve “raced” a friend from Manhattan to DC and my total travel time was longer flying than her train. Add in east coast flow control in the summer and it’s hands down no contest.
chunhimlai wrote:JL200/209 HND-NGO is operated by international config B77W/787
You can enjoy full flat bed on 1hr flight
zakuivcustom wrote:TonyClifton wrote:Give me Acela for NYC-DC over a flight any day of the week. I’ve “raced” a friend from Manhattan to DC and my total travel time was longer flying than her train. Add in east coast flow control in the summer and it’s hands down no contest.
TBH the number of flights are way down from its peak - used to be hourly for both AA and DL, now it's only 8 flights each.
DCA-PHL on AA or EWR-PHL on UA are still much worse offenders anyway - but one is for slot-sitting, the other for connection.chunhimlai wrote:JL200/209 HND-NGO is operated by international config B77W/787
You can enjoy full flat bed on 1hr flight
You're still talking about 2 flights/day on JL and 1 flight/day on NH. NH also used to fly routes like NRT-KIJ for connection anyway for connection (Gone since the pandemic).
DTWLAX wrote:Ziyulu wrote:Are there any flights that operate from one airport to another in the same metro area? For example MDW to ORD or LAX to LGB?
I believe there is LAX-SAN service. That is the closest today from LAX. But maybe sometimes it is faster than doing the 125 miles road trip.
I think there was a LAX-SNA service in the past that does not exist anymore.
Aceme wrote:Just seen on Flightradar24 that BA Regional do a service from London City airport to Southampton. I find it crazy that these flights even exist when you consider there is a direct train from London Waterloo straight to Southampton. How can an airline even see this as beneficial/profit to their network.
Makes me wonder how many other similar flights exists!?
HowardDGA wrote:Aceme wrote:Just seen on Flightradar24 that BA Regional do a service from London City airport to Southampton. I find it crazy that these flights even exist when you consider there is a direct train from London Waterloo straight to Southampton. How can an airline even see this as beneficial/profit to their network.
Makes me wonder how many other similar flights exists!?
Los Angeles to Flagstaff, Arizona (FLG) is an example of the train being competitive with a flight. Roughly 6PM to 6AM. Train sleeper compartment can cost less than the flight, depending on when one books.
And you’ll have to forget Winona unless you continue on past FLG.
FLG back to LAX is a bit less convenient as I recall.
WesternDC6B wrote:DTWLAX wrote:Ziyulu wrote:Are there any flights that operate from one airport to another in the same metro area? For example MDW to ORD or LAX to LGB?
I believe there is LAX-SAN service. That is the closest today from LAX. But maybe sometimes it is faster than doing the 125 miles road trip.
I think there was a LAX-SNA service in the past that does not exist anymore.
Were I still an Angeleno, I would definitely take The San Diegan or the Coast Starlight (?) LAX- SAN. No fighting the crowds at LAX, no security theater, roomier seats, and I get dropped right into down town SAN. Same for the airport of course, but still...
Ziyulu wrote:I flew on AA from SHA to PVG before. That can be done via metro.