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| Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 49): Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 48): I thought someone would have done MIA-FLL by now. Why? FLL sees 20M+ passengers a year, has more domestic airlines, and carriers more domestic passengers and domestic O&D than Miami does. |
| Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 3): YOW could definately have more traffic if it werent for YUL or YYZ. |
| Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 3): Same thing goes for YEG, with YYC so close. |
| Quoting Flamedude707 (Reply 6): Does SJC-SFO count? |
| Quoting MUCflieger (Reply 10): MHG - FRA |
| Quoting UA777222 (Reply 17): San Jose to San Francisco is a long drive and with the high-tech industry next door, domestic, and even international, service works fine on it's own. |
| Quoting UA777222 (Reply 17): While AA has/will close SJC-NRT, it has been a route that has proved well for AA and one that they wouldn't even try at SFO, let alone their one flight a day at LAX. |
| Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 51): Also LTN does not have the financial might to attract airlines or build shiney new facilities like LHR, LGW or STN which are all owned by BAA (British Airports Authority). |
| Quoting Flycmh2009 (Reply 34): How about Ohio? Does anyone here think that CMH and DAY are being held back by the hubs at CVG and CLE. There's a strong market for a lot of places out of Columbus. The city has many worldwide and nationally known organizations that could benefit from increased service I'm sure. |
| Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 52): I don't know if it was mentioned yet, but SEA and BFI. The approach for Sea-Tac is right over Boeing Field/King County International. BFI doesn't have any pax service with the exception of San Juan Airlines or Kenmore Air. |
! The administration of King County (that oversees BFI) said no to WN. SEA-TAC sided with the local NIMBY's on that one!
| Quoting N1120A (Reply 54): Again, runway length and a truly crappy airfield design (as the English seem to do frequently, unfortunately) are the main culprits there. |
| Quoting UA777222 (Reply 17): In regards to SCK, AA has service and if I'm correct so will Mexicana. |
| Quoting ONTFlyer (Reply 61): Perhaps you were thinking of G4 and later this year, Aeromexico to Guadalajara and Morelia?? |
| Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 57): LGA is an important airport in JFK's shadow. |
| Quoting ONTFlyer (Reply 61): Quoting UA777222 (Reply 17): In regards to SCK, AA has service and if I'm correct so will Mexicana Perhaps you were thinking of G4 and later this year, Aeromexico to Guadalajara and Morelia?? |
| Quoting N1120A (Reply 54): It is entirely too far from YOW to YYZ to ever think people would drive that, but YUL is a definate alternate. If YMX had been successful, that would have really killed YOW Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 3): Same thing goes for YEG, with YYC so close. So close? That is like saying New York is close to Boston. It is 3 hours from Edmonton to Calgary |
| Quoting YOW" class=quote target=_blank>YOW (Reply 67): YOW is only a 40 plane ride to YUL and 1hr to YYZ, while YEG is only 45 mins from YYC, that is what AK is referring to by saying 'close' and by North American standars he's right. |
| Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 58): Albuquerque and Santa Fe. However, I have heard a rumor in a past thread that Delta Connection (SkyWest) wants to start service to Santa Fe from Salt Lake City, and this could give new life to the Santa Fe airport. |
| Quoting N1120A (Reply 68): As a North American from a place where I am definately used to driving (Los Angeles), I am well aware of distances. I am, however, talking about how the effect of driving limits an airport's traffic. This is true in the case of LAX and SAN when it comes to international traffic, as well as SFO as compares to OAK and SJC, MSY when compared to BTR, GPT, MOB or PNS, among others. A 3 hour drive from YEG to YYC or a 5 hour drive from Ottawa to Toronto is not going to chop traffic at the smaller airport. |
| Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 44): SLC makes service to SE viable! I don't think UA would as seriously consider service on EMB-120s or CRJs to either Idaho Falls or Pocatello from DEN as quickly as DL has from SLC. Provo and Ogden are significantly larger population centers, but they are both only about an hour or less driving to/from SLC. I think I see some envy about the service you get when compared with Montana communities further to the north. |
| Quoting UA777222 (Reply 17): Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 15): I'd add SCK to SFO/OAK, FOE to MCI. SCK is an entirely different breed of airport compared to the two. SFO handles both domestic and international. High Asian routes and trans-pacific with it's handful of European flights. Domestic to about everywhere in the country with CO, F9, UA, AA, and US. OAK is very much a domestic airport for LLC's. WN and JetBlue find hubs here due to the cheaper cost to fly into OAK over SFO. You will also find Federal Express and UPS hubs here. Shipping is a major traffic form for OAK. Lastly, OAK caters to business travelers. They have two separate runways that, when the weather provides, can be used by all business jets with the ramp just one taxiway over. They also allow ease for cessna's (and other's alike) and also have flight schools in the FBOs. If the price to land at SFO doesn't drive you away, the traffic and airspace factors don't allow this that often. In regards to SCK, AA has service and if I'm correct so will Mexicana. I apologize for any errors. |
| Quoting N1120A (Reply 54): They are really and truly in the same metro area and the cities are well connected by both direct freeways and public transportation. Further, SFO is actually closer to San Jose than the San Francisco proper, making it a rather easy drive/train ride. . . . A long drive? It is less than an hour. Further, SJC has seen a significant pull down in service, particularly from AA while SFO still benefits from being a major international and domestic gateway with a major hub presence |
| Quoting MainMAN (Reply 22): Amsterdam and Rotterdam. Rotterdam is sometimes marketed as Amsterdam/Rotterdam, which surely must drive Rotterdammers nuts. |
| Quoting TPAnx (Reply 5): TPA and PIE..about 15 miles apart. |
| Quoting IdaBoy (Reply 72): SLC does bring alot of service to Idaho Falls, but if it was just another 2 or 3 hours away, Idaho Falls might see service simmilar to Missoula. And we have 2x daily CRJ flight to DEN. |
| Quoting N1120A (Reply 54): They are really and truly in the same metro area and the cities are well connected by both direct freeways and public transportation. Further, SFO is actually closer to San Jose than the San Francisco proper, making it a rather easy drive/train ride. |
| Quoting N1120A (Reply 54): A long drive? It is less than an hour. Further, SJC has seen a significant pull down in service, particularly from AA while SFO still benefits from being a major international and domestic gateway with a major hub presence |
| Quoting N1120A (Reply 68): A 3 hour drive from YEG to YYC or a 5 hour drive from Ottawa to Toronto is not going to chop traffic at the smaller airport. |
| Quoting Flyb (Reply 78): And that is why there are 19 flights daily between YEG and YYC? I couldn't disagree with you more. |
| Quoting Yow (Reply 80): Even with only factoring in driving, which is an unfair assessment in my opinion, Ottawa still loses over 100,000 enplaned pax per year to YUL by some form of ground transportation (i.e. private vehicle, bus or train). |
| Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 74): SFO-SJC distance is 33 miles. SFO distance to Market Street SF 13 miles and is served directly by BART, so SFO is actually closer to SF than SJ. |
| Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 74): I figure it costs me $100 more to fly SFO because of the inconvience, I would like just a couple of international flights from SJC --- SFO has 93% of all international flights in the bay area, but only 50% of the domestic traffic. |
| Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 74): Not sure what you mean by SJC has seen a significant pull down in service. SJC is growing now about 2% year, |
| Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 74): but if your airport is increasing PAX loads, it means service is growing. |
| Quoting UA777222 (Reply 77): Are you kidding me? 101 is a parking lot all rush hours during all days of the week. SFO to San Francisco is less than 15min. Getting to wherever you want to go in the city might be a different story but the distance from SFO and SJC compared to SFO and SF is much greater. Furthermore, Public Transportaton stops at SFO/Milbrae. From Milbrae you have to take a CalTran down to San Jose then grab a bus to the airport |
| Quoting UA777222 (Reply 77): There are also dedicated freight routes that are served to SJC. DC8, 767, 757, 727, DC10, MD11's daily from all shipping companies out there. |
| Quoting N1120A (Reply 81): The reason SFO has all those flights is really quite simple, they have an established history of service and the facilities that can handle them. You don't have hub feed into SJC that you do at SFO, nor are you as central to the region, as San Jose is in a fringe location as a regional population center, despite being the larger city proper. |
| Quoting N1120A (Reply 54): Further, SFO is actually closer to San Jose than the San Francisco proper, making it a rather easy drive/train ride. |
| Quoting N1120A (Reply 81): Not particularly. That means that Southwest has added more flights to ABQ and LAS, not that actual service to different places is growing. |
| Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 79): I guess YVR is "in the shadow" of SEA in terms of domestic/US traffic but vice versa for INTL flights. |
Bingo! The 49th dictates the service availability of both. It will amaze you the number of Canucks who drive down from metro Vancouver to SEA-TAC to fly somewhere in the US and the number of Puget Sounders who drive up to YVR to catch a flight to somewhere in Asia. More often than not to save 
| Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 83): How about SEA and BFI? At sunset in the winter months, BFI is almost literally in the shadow of SEA (weather permitting). |
| Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 52): I don't know if it was mentioned yet, but SEA and BFI. The approach for Sea-Tac is right over Boeing Field/King County International. BFI doesn't have any pax service with the exception of San Juan Airlines or Kenmore Air. |
| Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 56): Last year WN tried a "go around" the Port Authority of Seattle and tried to get exclusive service into BFI that made AS, UA, AA, NW and DL have a major ! The administration of King County (that oversees BFI) said no to WN. SEA-TAC sided with the local NIMBY's on that one! |
| Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 50): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 49): Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 48): I thought someone would have done MIA-FLL by now. Why? FLL sees 20M+ passengers a year, has more domestic airlines, and carriers more domestic passengers and domestic O&D than Miami does. Then we'll do it the other way around. One has to be bigger than the other. Think outside the box. |
| Quoting Phxtravelboy (Thread starter): Several people from WI drive to Ord for more convenient schedules and these people could be kept in WI if Mke had more service |
| Quoting Phxtravelboy (Thread starter): Hi everyone, I have a theory that some of the airports out there really don't get as much service as they could do to the fact they are "in the shadow" of a larger airport close by. I'm not talking about airports within one large metro area such as LA with Ont, Sna, etc. |
| Quoting AUA747 (Reply 25): I would have to say DAB and MCO. Only DL and CO serves DAB. DAB has been struggling to get service of airlines. |
| Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 85): Well, King County executive Ron Sims put the brakes on that. Probably the only smart thing he's done. I give him credit for that, because traffic is one less thing Seattle needs right now, and I-5 at the Michigan curve is bad enough. The last thing we need is more tie-ups on I-5. |
| Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 86): Think outside the box for what? Both are major airports, both have a huge selection of airlines. It's like saying LGA is in JFK's shadow or DCA is in IAD's shadow. There is no shadow. Despite the "rivarly" between MIA and FLL, they co-exist quite nicely. |
| Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 95): I'm just going by what the Thread Starter stated. They're a half an hour away or so and one is bigger than the other. I know they co-exist well, but I would venture to guess that when most people think of South Florida, they think of MIA. |
| Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 96): MAH4546 |
| Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 97): I see your point, but in terms of total amount of traffic, domestic and international, where does FLL rank as opposed to MIA? I'm not a good stats man, but if you could as a favor, could you get those? |
