jamesjimlb
Topic Author
Posts: 940
Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:48 am

Least Successful Aircraft...

Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:44 am

what was the least successful aircraft in the 1960's-today?
i'm don't know my planes to well but the one i think was the least successful was the Caravelle.
The sky is no longer the limit, but the mere minimum
 
azza40
Posts: 1032
Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:18 am

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:07 am

The words Caravelle and unsuccessful do not fit in the same sentance.

Aaron  swirl 
Not been on here for a good 2/3 years!
 
GQfluffy
Posts: 3072
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:25 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:52 am


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Andreas Müller - Spotterteam Graz
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Tim Rees

This isn't where I parked my car...
 
AirCop
Posts: 5553
Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:39 am

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:08 am

The Convairs 880/990 would rank up high on the least successful aircraft.

Convair lost in the programme of 880/990 more than 450 million dollars in 1962 prices! That price was a quarter of the total value of the company! The damage was very big. Despite that, Convair 880/990 was included at the best planes ever created! Their comfort, high speed and reliability made them very popular and every pilot wanted to fly them.

[Edited 2006-12-02 02:11:20]
 
ZKSUJ
Posts: 6875
Joined: Tue May 18, 2004 5:15 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:00 am

The commet. The TU-154, Concorde would fit there as well in terms of sales and the 'luxury card' saving it from complete failure. Also it looks at this stage like the 747-800 and the 737-900 MAY fit in somewhere. The A318 is also being whipped by the ERJs
 
User avatar
ERJ135
Posts: 684
Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2000 4:04 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:28 am

The Mercure that was kindly put in above in picture form has to win this. From memory there were 12 airframes built and 10 were used by Air Inter of france their whole service lives, I think one was destroyed and replaced in the fleet by a prototype if memory serves me correctly. I think the MD-11 was probably not the greatest as a passenger aircraft but none the less quite a lot were in service around the world when they were new, even now most of them still fly as freighters.
I so want to fly on SCAT one day!
 
TrijetsRMissed
Posts: 1983
Joined: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:15 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:30 pm

The Comet takes the cake based on its history. The Mercure is pretty much a given. The Concorde obviously underachieved. Other notables that did not exactly sell like hotcakes are the Saab 2000, F-70, 735, 743, A310, & 753.
There's nothing quite like a trijet.
 
edelag
Posts: 304
Joined: Sun Dec 25, 2005 2:35 am

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:41 pm

Quoting Azza40 (Reply 1):
The words Caravelle and unsuccessful do not fit in the same sentance.

Wasn't the Caravelle the first tailed engined plane? And I also know that it was known to be the most silent plane in its time.
It's not just the destination, it's the journey.
 
TrijetsRMissed
Posts: 1983
Joined: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:15 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:04 pm

Quoting Edelag (Reply 7):
Quoting Azza40 (Reply 1):
The words Caravelle and unsuccessful do not fit in the same sentance.

Wasn't the Caravelle the first tailed engined plane?

Yes it was the first jet to have rear mounted engines as well the first t-tailed pax jet. SUD had its problems and production ended in 1972. Douglas modified the design into their own with the DC-9 and stole the market. Douglas even adopted the 2-3 cabin configuration from the Caravelle.
There's nothing quite like a trijet.
 
User avatar
NZ107
Posts: 4946
Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:51 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:49 pm

How about the ones that never made it? They are unsuccessful, aren't they..?

Including:
747 Trijet
2707
Sonic Cruiser

The most unfortunate aircraft has to be the AN-225.. Abandoned for many years, luckily it was saved.
It's all about the destination AND the journey.
 
vlada
Posts: 97
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:25 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:17 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 4):
The TU-154

Probably you meant: TU-144 (the "Russian Concorde")?

As far as I know, the TU-154 was quite a successful airplane in it's time. Russians flew it a lot in Aeroflot, and almost all of the former Eastern-block countries had in in their national carrier's fleets. There are still some in use in Russia and elsewhere.

Regards,
Vlada
 
TrijetsRMissed
Posts: 1983
Joined: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:15 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:36 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
How about the ones that never made it? They are unsuccessful, aren't they..?

Including:
747 Trijet
2707
Sonic Cruiser

You can add the MD-12 to that list. It was the A380 before its time.
There's nothing quite like a trijet.
 
ZKSUJ
Posts: 6875
Joined: Tue May 18, 2004 5:15 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:57 am

Oh and the 777-100 as well (Never got off the ground). The 767-400 doesn't seem to have many frames
 
747400sp
Posts: 3900
Joined: Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:27 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:35 am

The L1011 and MD11 falls into category.
 
TrijetsRMissed
Posts: 1983
Joined: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:15 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:47 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 13):
The L1011 and MD11 falls into category.

They might not have met expectations but I wouldn't call them complete failures either. Somewhere in the middle. I wish Lockheed would have continued to develop the L1011 into a new aircraft like Douglas did with the DC10.
There's nothing quite like a trijet.
 
legoguy
Posts: 2981
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:59 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:53 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 11):
You can add the MD-12 to that list. It was the A380 before its time.

Add the Boeing NLA to that list. The NLA, MD-12 and the A380 all look nearly identical!
Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
 
andz
Posts: 7660
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:49 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:05 pm

I would say the one that didn't fulfil its potential was the 747SP. It was an awesome plane to fly on and deserved to do much better.
After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
 
futureuapilot
Posts: 1329
Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 7:50 am

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:52 am

The Beech Starship was a great plane that never was able to take off with sales. Very few made...


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Brian Bartlett
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Ralph Duenas - Jetwash Images



-Sam
The Pilot is the highest form of life on Earth!
 
dhhornet
Posts: 247
Joined: Sat May 13, 2006 4:01 am

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:48 am

VFW 614. But I loved it!


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Mick West

 
futureuapilot
Posts: 1329
Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 7:50 am

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting DHHornet (Reply 18):
VFW 614. But I loved it!

So that's where the new Honda Jet's engine mounting ideas came from...

-Sam
The Pilot is the highest form of life on Earth!
 
TrijetsRMissed
Posts: 1983
Joined: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:15 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:17 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 16):
I would say the one that didn't fulfil its potential was the 747SP. It was an awesome plane to fly on and deserved to do much better.

I pretty much said the same thing responding to a "747 SP A Waste?" thread in the tech/ops forum. Boy did I get the riot act from the SP fans!  hissyfit 
There's nothing quite like a trijet.
 
GQfluffy
Posts: 3072
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:25 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20):
pretty much said the same thing responding to a "747 SP A Waste?"

But it wasn't a waste...it just didn't live up to it's potential...same as the 764...
This isn't where I parked my car...
 
User avatar
abletofly
Posts: 107
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:55 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:22 am



  • The Spruce Goose for it's single flight and the missing day to enter service. It deserves it place in the museum though.  Smile

  • Concordski!

  • DC-7, but the poor plane didn't know the jets were just around the corner.
    The previous models indeed were succeses, so maybe that one's no really right




Regards.
 
TrijetsRMissed
Posts: 1983
Joined: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:15 pm

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:44 pm

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 21):
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20):
pretty much said the same thing responding to a "747 SP A Waste?"

But it wasn't a waste...it just didn't live up to it's potential...same as the 764...

I know, like I said I was responding to the thread. It was asked if it was a failure. In my opinion it wasn't a failure but not extremely successful either.
There's nothing quite like a trijet.
 
roseflyer
Posts: 9602
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:34 am

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:02 pm

In recent times the Dornier 728jet has been the biggest failure. They got to the point of rolling out a prototype, but the company was bankrupted without big orders and the plane never flew.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
 
kearney
Posts: 137
Joined: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:46 am

RE: Least Successful Aircraft...

Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:45 pm

Quoting FutureUApilot (Reply 17):
The Beech Starship was a great plane that never was able to take off with sales. Very few made...

I think it just looked to far ahead of its time for people to buy into it... Any time a product comes out that just seems to be to advanced it scares people away. for example, the first cellular phone...

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 51 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos