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ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:59 pm

I’ll be taking a trip to Rome this summer from Chicago. I’m curious which airline you all would take, based on personal experiences in the past or not. The fares are relatively close between the airlines. AA is the only carrier that flies nonstop but I’d rather fly on a European airline, which I have not before. Also, it would be helpful if someone could tell me which airports are best in terms of delays, catching a flight, etc. I’ve researched the airlines on this route and here’s what I found:

European Carriers:

Iberia:
ORD-MAD-ORD A346
MAD-FCO-MAD 757/A321

British Airways:
ORD-LHR-ORD 744
LHR-FCO A320
FCO-LHR 763/752
LHR-ORD 772

Lufthansa:
ORD-MUC-ORD A346
MUC-FCO-MUC 733/A320

Air France:
ORD-CDG-ORD A343
CDG-FCO-CDG A320

KLM:
ORD-AMS-ORD 744
AMS-FCO-AMS 733

Aer Lingus
ORD-DUB-ORD A332
DUB-FCO-DUB A320

Swiss Intl Air Lines
ORD-ZUR-ORD A332
ZUR-FCO-ZUR A320

Alitalia
ORD-MXP-ORD 763
MXO-FCO-MXP A321/MD82


The next post is the domestic carriers.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:00 pm

And here are the North American Carriers:

American:
ORD-FCO-ORD 763

Delta:
ORD-CVG-ORD CRJ-700
CVG-FCO-CVG 763

US Airways:
ORD-PHL-ORD 733/A321
PHL-FCO-PHL A333

United:
ORD-IAD 763
IAD-FCO 772
FCO-FRA A306 (LH)
FRA-ORD 744

Continental:
ORD-EWR-ORD 733
EWR-FCO-EWR 763

Air Canada:
ORD-YYZ-ORD A320/E175
YYZ-FCO-YYZ 763

I know, I really went overboard on this. But what can I say, I’m stoked!  biggrin  Thanks in advance for the responses.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:37 pm

I'd choose KLM....a great airline and Schipol is great for connecting passengers  Wink
 
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:28 am

What about the following:

ORD-AMS-FCO on KLM B747/B737 and the return,
FCO-CDG-ORD on AF A320/A340

If you hold a Skyteam FF card you get miles on both airlines, and you're able to compare KL/AF, AMS/CDG and Boeing/Airbus. Just an idea  Cool


P.S. make sure you have sufficient connecting time ! Both AMS and CDG are large airports and you have to pass immigration!! Minimum published connecting time for AMS is 50 minutes and for CDG 40 min. IIRC. However I recommend at least 1,5hrs -just to be on the save side. If time is not too much of an issue, you will be more relaxed when your inbound flight is a bit late and if everything is running on time, you're be able to enjoy the airport while in transfer.
 
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Thread starter):
British Airways:
ORD-LHR-ORD 744

Well, when are you going? Because throughout the winter months, I though BA has postponed 744 service to ORD, which now sees a steady diet of 772's and 763's, daily.

I'd choose LH or AA. AA because it's easiest, being a nonstop, and LH because the opportunity to fly on a 346 isn't very often.

If you're still unsure, I'd just book with whoever is cheapest..
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:19 am

I'd choose KLM, LH as many germans told me is a horrible airline.
 
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:10 am

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 2):
I'd choose KLM....a great airline and Schipol is great for connecting passengers

This is the one I was leaning towards. I would really like to fly on a 744. They are rare on trans-atlantic flights when compared with the others planes. I've also heard good things about KLM.  thumbsup 

Quoting SK601 (Reply 3):
ORD-AMS-FCO on KLM B747/B737 and the return,
FCO-CDG-ORD on AF A320/A340

If you hold a Skyteam FF card you get miles on both airlines, and you're able to compare KL/AF, AMS/CDG and Boeing/Airbus.

Now there's a clever idea.. I'll keep that in mind.  scratchchin 

Quoting SK601 (Reply 3):
Both AMS and CDG are large airports and you have to pass immigration!! Minimum published connecting time for AMS is 50 minutes and for CDG 40 min. IIRC. However I recommend at least 1,5hrs -just to be on the save side.

This is definitely good to know, thanks for the heads up.

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 4):
Well, when are you going? Because throughout the winter months, I though BA has postponed 744 service to ORD, which now sees a steady diet of 772's and 763's, daily.

I will be going in June. The timetable showed 744 one way and 772 on the way back, so I'm assuming it's correct.

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 4):
I'd choose LH or AA. AA because it's easiest, being a nonstop, and LH because the opportunity to fly on a 346 isn't very often.

If you're still unsure, I'd just book with whoever is cheapest..

The A346 is also very enticing. Currently IB is a little cheaper than the rest of the European airlines and also flies an A346, so maybe I'll go with them..

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 5):
I'd choose KLM, LH as many germans told me is a horrible airline.

Really? I'm surprised, I thought LH offers good service, although I can't say from experience. The one airline I have been told to avoid is LOT.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:29 pm

I of course would recommend Swiss. It is an excellent airline and Zurich airport recently got the "Business Traveller Award 2006" for beeing best European airport and number three in the world. Specifically also for transfer passengers.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:45 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 6):
The A346 is also very enticing. Currently IB is a little cheaper than the rest of the European airlines and also flies an A346, so maybe I'll go with them..

I've heard a lot of horror stories about IB's service, if it's only a little cheaper I'd encourage you to shell out the extra bucks. As said before AMS is great to connect through, and MUC is fantastic as well. Also, I can imagine connecting at ZUR is pretty easy and Swiss has fantastic service, I'd say give them a try if it's affordable.
 
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:54 pm

Quoting N353SK (Reply 8):
Also, I can imagine connecting at ZUR is pretty easy and Swiss has fantastic service

It is actually ZRH not ZUR. Yes, since the finishing of the construction works the airport is really great in all respects. It is smaller than AMS, FRA or LHR therefore is very convenient to change planes. Though it has also everything the other airports have (plenty of shops and restaurants, lounges, good views etc).
 
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:14 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 6):
I will be going in June. The timetable showed 744 one way and 772 on the way back, so I'm assuming it's correct.

Yeah- the 744 for summer routes is correct.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 6):
The A346 is also very enticing. Currently IB is a little cheaper than the rest of the European airlines and also flies an A346, so maybe I'll go with them..

That works too  Smile
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:36 am

I would choose AF but I acknowledge that the suggestion of SK601 in reply #3 is very intelligent and interesting  Wink
 
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:11 am

AA, n/s., no frills, no question, easy answer. Done the flight twice. Great service.
 
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:14 am

Hey I would go with AC. You get a chance to get on there E175s you do not go out of your way. You get to see the upgraded YYZ. Then fly onwards to FCO. Who knows perhaps the 763 will have already been XM'ed. I have flown the YYZ-FCO-YYZ run as well as YYZ-ORD and both are good flights. Good luck with who you choose.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:03 am

I would personally go with AA just for the convenience and reliability of a non-stop flight, but...

If I exclude that and were going to have a one-stop with the options you gave, I'd choose CO. While generally speaking European airlines are better than the airlines of the U.S., Continental is an exception and is an excellent airline on international routes (and a very good domestic airline as well).

If I really wanted to fly on a European airline, then in your case I would go with BA. They are in my opinion the best European airline on your list of choices, and you do still get to try the B744 as well. I know they are having labor issues at the moment, but by the time summer rolls around they will almost certainly be resolved.
One BA itinerary I found is BA 296 to LHR (B744), then a 1h50m layover connecting to BA 548 (A319) with a return on BA 553 (B767), then a 2h35m layover in LHR connecting to BA 299 (B772) to ORD. Here you get four different types of aircraft include three widebodies.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 12):
AA, n/s., no frills, no question, easy answer. Done the flight twice. Great service.

Yes, from a convience standpoint it definitiely has its advantages. The thing is I've flown AA so many times so I would prefer to try something different. The other factor is the nonstop flight is almost double the price.

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 13):
Hey I would go with AC. You get a chance to get on there E175s you do not go out of your way. You get to see the upgraded YYZ. Then fly onwards to FCO. Who knows perhaps the 763 will have already been XM'ed

Good point about the E175s. How were the 763's the last time you flew the route? I was hoping it would be an A340 but every airline has 763's going to FCO.

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 14):
If I really wanted to fly on a European airline, then in your case I would go with BA. They are in my opinion the best European airline on your list of choices, and you do still get to try the B744 as well. I know they are having labor issues at the moment, but by the time summer rolls around they will almost certainly be resolved.

BA is another one I am considering. Like you said, still get to fly the 744, plus the other flights offer a nice variety of aircraft. Could the labor issues pose a problem if they are not quickly resolved? Also, would it be wise to avoid AZ given their troubles? I would think maybe if AZ went under I would be transfered to DL but I am not sure.

[Edited 2007-01-29 05:08:35]
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:43 pm

I would avoid AZ anyway. For a European carrier their service isn't very good.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:00 pm

AF service is nice, and transit in CDG isn't actually too bad, despite what everyone says. I'd definitely consider them.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:13 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 16):
I would avoid AZ anyway. For a European carrier their service isn't very good.

I've noticed thus far that no one has suggested AZ. Is it true the 763's still have projectors for IFE?

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
AF service is nice, and transit in CDG isn't actually too bad, despite what everyone says. I'd definitely consider them.

I haven't counted them out. I'm leaning towards what SK601 suggested with going with AF and KLM. I will be traveling with two family members who are now insisting we fly into MXP and work our way down the country thoughout the trip and fly home via FCO. If it's affordable I will probably try that.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:20 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 1):
EWR-FCO-EWR 763

Continental flies 764's to FCO.


But anywho Id say go CO.

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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:41 pm

Quoting ATCT (Reply 19):
EWR-FCO-EWR 763

Continental flies 764's to FCO.

My bad, I know CO doesn't fly -300's. Glad to hear its not an old 762 though.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:12 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 6):
Really? I'm surprised, I thought LH offers good service, although I can't say from experience. The one airline I have been told to avoid is LOT.

By who? Your uncle? Ive flown maybe about 50 r/ts across the pond from ORD on LX, SR, BA, AA, UA, LO, IB, EI, LH and KLM and I can say that LOT is nowhere near the worst even with whatever bias I have. Iberia was worst, right after was it Aer Lingus on one of their A330-300s.

LOT European service is superior to all those mentioned above except Swiss, it blows Alitalia, BA or the likes of Aer Lingus and Iberia out of the water.
 
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:27 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20):
Glad to hear its not an old 762 though.

Actually CO's B762s are the newest in the nation and among the newest in the world - they have the 764-like interiors (but still the smaller original 762 windows). So as far as a CO passenger is concerned, it's a short B764 with nothing else changed (besides window size).

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 21):
LOT European service is superior to all those mentioned above except Swiss, it blows Alitalia, BA or the likes of Aer Lingus and Iberia out of the water.

I think LOTis more in the middle of the pack. It's better than nwa, TAP, Delta, CSA, Malev Hungarian, Alitalia, US Airways, Iberia, Air India (with whom you can fly Transatlantic), Olympic and Aeroflot. However, it's not as good as Air Canada, United, Aer Lingus, El Al, Turkish, American, bmi, KLM, Finnair, Air France, Swiss, Icelandair, Lufthansa, British Airways, SAS, Continental, Austrian, or Virgin Atlantic.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:04 am

American Carrier for me would be Delta

European Carrier would be Air France or BA

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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:32 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 21):

By who? Your uncle? Ive flown maybe about 50 r/ts across the pond from ORD on LX, SR, BA, AA, UA, LO, IB, EI, LH and KLM and I can say that LOT is nowhere near the worst even with whatever bias I have.

No, not by my uncle.    None of my relatives are Polish. But I have heard things from friends and acquaintances. A co-worker of mine flew a 762 from ORD-KRK just two weeks ago and had many bad things to say. Unpleasant crew, mediocre food, old worn out cabin. I guess some flights are better than others.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 21):
LOT European service is superior to all those mentioned above except Swiss, it blows Alitalia, BA or the likes of Aer Lingus and Iberia out of the water.

Blows BA out of the water? I think some might agree with you on the others though.

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 22):
Actually CO's B762s are the newest in the nation and among the newest in the world - they have the 764-like interiors (but still the smaller original 762 windows). So as far as a CO passenger is concerned, it's a short B764 with nothing else changed (besides window size).

Well, big windows are nice.   I was unaware how new the CO 762's are. I'd still prefer a 764 if I had to choose since there are not that many around.

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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:20 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 21):
LOT European service is superior to all those mentioned above except Swiss, it blows Alitalia, BA or the likes of Aer Lingus and Iberia out of the water.

WAW is a TERRIBLE airport in which to spend any time, though.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 15):
The other factor is the nonstop flight is almost double the price.

Connections cost more, how are you getting these figures. Let me know and I can check SABRE or something else to help you; if necessary.

I hope you haven't booked yet.

Regards.

PS. The crews on the FCO hauls are the most professional you'll see at AA. It's the most senior haul outta ORD for 763.
 
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 26):
Connections cost more, how are you getting these figures. Let me know and I can check SABRE or something else to help you; if necessary.

I hope you haven't booked yet.

No I have not booked. I will this weekend. I got the figures from Orbitz.com which showed AA as close to $2,000 while most others hovered around $1,000.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 26):
PS. The crews on the FCO hauls are the most professional you'll see at AA. It's the most senior haul outta ORD for 763.

Interesting, why this route in particular? Does this also apply to the flightdeck crew? I would think the most senior pilots would be flying the 772's.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:41 pm

Well I booked my flight. There was a slight change in plans. I am flying into MXP and out of FCO. It came down to KLM and BA. They were priced about the same, but KLM had better scheduling. I then arranged my flights to get a nice variety of aircraft.

ORD-AMS KLM 744M
AMS-MXP KLM 733

FCO-AMS KLM 733
AMS-MEM NW A330 (not sure if its a -200 or -300)
MEM-ORD NW DC-9

I have never been on a 744 or an A330, and it's been years since I've been on a DC-9, so I'm really looking forward to it. A couple Boeings, an Airbus, and a Douglas. Can't go wrong.  biggrin 
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:15 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 15):
Good point about the E175s. How were the 763's the last time you flew the route? I was hoping it would be an A340 but every airline has 763's going to FCO.

Well it is slighly to late, but I will through it out there anyhow. When I flew the route, I actually got on the 762 back when AC had their "club seats" rather then J. So I was sitting in the domestic J class seat. It was good though, not great but still pretty good. As far as the 763s it is hit or miss. Some are good, and now some even have AVOD in the front and back, but then some are in dire need of a XM makeover. Anyhow hope you enjoy KLM!
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:00 am

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 29):
Well it is slighly to late, but I will through it out there anyhow.

That's ok, it's good to know about the AC 767's for future reference.

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 29):
Anyhow hope you enjoy KLM!

I sure will! I'm looking forward to all of the flights.
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RE: ORD-FCO-ORD: Who Would You Take?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting TrijetsRquote=TrijetsRMissed (Reply 30):
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I sure will! I'm looking forward to all of the flights.

Right, NW too!
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