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Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:01 am

I was curious to see what everyone thinks is the biggest misconception people state as fact on Anet but is widely known to be incorrect.

My top 3:

1. I keep seeing people saying that US bought HP or US runs the new US when most anyone who read a newspaper in 2005 or came to Anet knows HP merged with US, kept all the HP Senior Managament in place, moved the HQ to Arizona and kept the US name.


2. Another one is calling aircraft "Airframes". (I.E. airline X is buy 4 airframes!) This implies no engines, an aircraft is the right term, airframe is used incorrectly 95% of the time on A.net.

3. LCC (LOw Cost Carrier) means Low FARE carrier, again wrong.


What other major misconceptions are out there?

[Edited 2007-08-09 23:21:11]
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:55 am

"All FR flights are bad, I will never fly them"

"BA lose all bags"

"I had the WORST experience EVER today"

"Why do KLM fly a 737 to IAH"

"JetBlue stupid and awful performance at JFK today" (on the day of huge thunderstorms in NYC area)
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:09 am

I think the biggest misconception is that you can be 13 years old and know exactly how to run an airline...

That Northwest is actually going to retire it's DC-9s...

...and that one day B747-437B will go a week without being banned  Wink


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Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:45 pm

NW will retire the DC-9 soon

The 757 will be resurrected

Airbus will stop getting illegal subsidies

The A380 will be a big seller  duck 

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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:14 pm

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Thread starter):
2. Another one is calling aircraft "Airframes". (I.E. airline X is buy 4 airframes!) This implies no engines, an aircraft is the right term, airframe is used incorrectly 95% of the time on A.net.

Might be based on the fact, that upon ordering the aircraft from the manufacturer (or signing up for an option), the choice of engines is not yet finalized (especially for a totally new model). In that case, the phrase "airframe" would be correct.
Furthermore, with the engines being the single most expensive parts of an aircraft, they usually are fitted as late as possible - and they get changed more or less frequently making them not actually part of the aircraft.
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Thread starter):
What other major misconceptions are out there?

The plural of "aircraft" is "aircrafts"
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:12 pm

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Thread starter):

2. Another one is calling aircraft "Airframes". (I.E. airline X is buy 4 airframes!) This implies no engines, an aircraft is the right term, airframe is used incorrectly 95% of the time on A.net.

Actually in many cases an airline will buy an airframe and then sort out the engines later on.
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting HT (Reply 4):
Might be based on the fact, that upon ordering the aircraft from the manufacturer (or signing up for an option), the choice of engines is not yet finalized (especially for a totally new model). In that case, the phrase "airframe" would be correct.



Quoting HT (Reply 4):
Furthermore, with the engines being the single most expensive parts of an aircraft, they usually are fitted as late as possible - and they get changed more or less frequently making them not actually part of the aircraft.
-HT

I am totally aware of that, but I have seen several posts latey that say an airline needs to add "frames" to a route for instance, that is just wrong. An airline operates Aircraft not Airframes.

I actually purchased a Lear 35 once in my life and had the engines on a "power by the hour plan" the engine reserves actually go into a fiduciary account with the provider and when you sell the airplane when you sell the engine reserves as part of the deal (In the Aircraft price, not seperately) so that you can preserve the airframe value from engine depreciation.

But saying an airline buys 10 frames is incorrect, because you have to have engines for the frame to fly, so it's just redundant and incorrect, they can't take delivery until the airplane has an airworthiness certificate, which includes engines.
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:44 am

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 1):
"I had the WORST experience EVER today"

Unless you gave birth to a fuilly-grown rhinoceros, (and you're male) no you did not.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
I think the biggest misconception is that you can be 13 years old and know exactly how to run an airline...

These little guys crack me up. Not only do they know how to run an airline, they can also fly anything in the sky AND investigate the causes of air accidents. I can also assume they could probably completely disassemble an entire aircraft and reassemble it....  Smile

If I may add one more misconception?

One bad experience with an airline means that you will never have a good experience with said airline.
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:51 am

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 8):
, they can also fly anything in the sky AND investigate the causes of air accidents.

Because running a virtual FS airline and flying a 777-300 on your computer in Mommy and Daddy's house gives them so much insight  Smile
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:13 am

That some a.netters have lives......  duck 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:27 am

Calling US Airways "US Air". Ugh!  Angry
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:17 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 3):
The 757 will be resurrected

When?!? Thats great, more 57's for United!  Wink  stirthepot 
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:54 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 12):
Calling US Airways "US Air". Ugh!

At STL the sign pointing to the baggage claims still says USAir.

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 8):
Quoting Swiftski (Reply 1):
"I had the WORST experience EVER today"

Unless you gave birth to a fuilly-grown rhinoceros, (and you're male) no you did not.

Any day that doesn't involve death and or dismemberment is not all that bad.  cheerful 

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 9):
Because running a virtual FS airline and flying a 777-300 on your computer in Mommy and Daddy's house gives them so much insight

I wish there was a game that allowed you to fly beat up airplanes to second rate airports. That would be fun!
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Thread starter):
3. LCC (LOw Cost Carrier) means Low FARE carrier, again wrong.

Not really. LCCs don't always offer the lowest fare, and I would guess - don't always incur the lowest cost. Low (or No) frills is probably a better way to describe the European model. Or possibly Pay (and Pay, and Pay) as you go.
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:20 am

That Virgin America is foreign owned Big grin
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:58 am

that full planes make pots of money

that BA markets itself in the USA as 'British Air'
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:23 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 14):
Not really. LCCs don't always offer the lowest fare, and I would guess - don't always incur the lowest cost. Low (or No) frills is probably a better way to describe the European model. Or possibly Pay (and Pay, and Pay) as you go.

Exactly what I posted. WN is not the cheapest, neither are F9 or B6, many times the legacies are cheapest.

The "cost" part means that the airline is efficient, not bloated like the legacies, (although these days the legacies are almost as efficient cost wise as the Legacies.)

Also, WN is technically a legacy airline, since it started before Deregulation  Smile
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 17):
Also, WN is technically a legacy airline, since it started before Deregulation

So is XJ, having began scheduled service in 1973.
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:36 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 3):
Airbus will stop getting illegal subsidies

Or that they even get subsidies in the first place.
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:33 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 13):
Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 12):
Calling US Airways "US Air". Ugh!

At STL the sign pointing to the baggage claims still says USAir.

I took this picture of a travel agency window when I was in Boston back in May. So many outdated airline logos!

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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:36 am

AI is different from IC.
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:24 am

Since the T7 came out the Airbus A340 is now entirely useless, no more will ever be ordered and they will all be replaced or scrapped.


In reality A340s (even the 'slow useless' ones) are still much sought after and there are none in storage and none not being used. Two I believe have been broken up after incidents and one retired after being run down by long stints with BWIA.

There are still no fatalities caused by incidents involving an Airbus A340. The A340 still serves many of the world's best and largest airlines economically and safely.
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:43 am

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 8):
These little guys crack me up. Not only do they know how to run an airline, they can also fly anything in the sky AND investigate the causes of air accidents. I can also assume they could probably completely disassemble an entire aircraft and reassemble it....

I think its just part of the growing up phase, I think we should only complain if they continue to do so even after their teens

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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:37 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 15):
That Virgin America is foreign owned

And trying to bring down US legacy carriers. Big grin
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 11):
Calling US Airways "US Air".

Actually, US Airways East's callsign IS "US Air". US Airways West's callsign is "Cactus", and once HP and US are operating under one AOC, the callsign will be "Cactus".

Am I confusing you yet?  Wink
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:53 am

Quoting UAL757 (Reply 12):
When?!? Thats great, more 57's for United!

And they'll all be equipped with winglets, much like the UA 757 my friend's brother-in-law's second cousin swore he saw yesterday at EWR!  duck 

Also, that the windows on the 787 "aren't any bigger".
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:09 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 25):
"Cactus".

A cactus in PHL??? Hmmm......
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:13 pm

These posts bring back some memories...what a year 2007 has been!

On a side note, has jetBlue started paying for their aircraft?  Smile

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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting Usair320 (Reply 27):
A cactus in PHL??? Hmmm......

Thank Doug Parker for that.  Wink
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:42 pm

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Thread starter):
the biggest misconception people state as fact on Anet but is widely known to be incorrect.

That using the "Search" function on Anet will yield what you're looking for every time.
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:06 pm

Quoting A340313X (Reply 22):
In reality A340s (even the 'slow useless' ones) are still much sought after

If AC wasn't so strapped for cash, they'd probably have sold those pieces of trash for a dollar each. I'm glad they're on the way out.
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:19 pm

Biggest Misconception?

How's this one: "Blended winglets only provide a benefit on longer flights."
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:39 pm

You've all missed the biggie:

"Airbus has sold X planes to carrier Y - they must have given the planes away / the country that Y is from hates the US / Boeing didn't want the order anyway!"
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:57 pm

The one that drives me nuts is the misconception of what exactly an airline hub is......
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:26 am

How about:

"People stopped flying JetBlue because of the Valentines Day fiasco."
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:29 am

And also when people spell Qantas: 'Quantas.'
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:17 am

One of the biggest misconceptions?

That anybody really gives a damn if it's your 500th, 1000th or 1,000,000th post.....  Smile
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:43 am

Quoting Justplanesmart (Reply 32):
How's this one: "Blended winglets only provide a benefit on longer flights."

That's not really a "big" misconception because it's true to a certain extent. Airlines are less likely to put winglets on planes flying shorter sectors because they're less likely to reap the benefits of the reduced fuel burn.
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:03 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 25):
Actually, US Airways East's callsign IS "US Air". US Airways West's callsign is "Cactus", and once HP and US are operating under one AOC, the callsign will be "Cactus".

Yeah, I know that the callsign is "US Air", but the airline's certainly not still called US Air.

That'd be like calling Airtran Airways "Citrus Airways" or something of the sort.
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:07 pm

from the armchair engineers and business men: "Another supersonic transport is somehow impossible"  Yeah sure  Wink
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:53 pm

That either Airbus or Boeing is actually better than the other. Even though this has been going on for a loooooooong time.
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 8):
Unless you gave birth to a fuilly-grown rhinoceros, (and you're male) no you did not.

Im going to agree with you there pal.
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:16 pm

That XJ is actually Mesaba NOT EXPRESSJET. AGAIN I REPEAT NOT EXPRESSJET!!!!!!!!!

LOL...i haven't had a week go by without anyone asking me how i like working for expressjet.

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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:12 am

Quoting Acey (Reply 31):
If AC wasn't so strapped for cash, they'd probably have sold those pieces of trash for a dollar each. I'm glad they're on the way out.

Proof! And a nicely out of context quote too, top a.net rubbish posting.

FACT: there are no unused A340s anywhere. If AC are so strapped how come they are now operating shiny new T7s? Also how come their A340s are being bought out even before they leave AC. You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:14 am

Quoting A340313X (Reply 44):

Proof! And a nicely out of context quote too, top a.net rubbish posting.

FACT: there are no unused A340s anywhere. If AC are so strapped how come they are now operating shiny new T7s? Also how come their A340s are being bought out even before they leave AC. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I forgot put something to indicate sarcasm at the end of my post, my apologies. Also, from what I've heard, The TAM deal might fall through and AC's 345's are possibly heading to the desert to get a nice, crisp tan. Hopefully they don't stay there long. You're obviously biased to the 340 and that's completely understandble, but there's no need to freak out. It was a joke. I think it's folks like you that make the A v B war go around.  Smile
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:19 am

How about this one: The words "there", "their", and "they're" are interchangable.

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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:41 am

Quoting Doona (Reply 46):
How about this one: The words "there", "their", and "they're" are interchangable.

Ironically, according to my observation, this mistake is more often done by people that come from a country whose first language is English.
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:53 am

All AF planes are dirty.
It's 737s, 747s and 380s. Not 737's, 747's and 380's. Learn to use the apostrophe for crying out loud.
 
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RE: Biggest Misconception On Anet 2007?

Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:27 pm

Just thought of another one. In honor of the thread starter,

Its called "final". There is only one aircraft, and that being said they can only do one approach and they can only be on one final.

Example: "Delta 1617, Daytona Tower, good evening, runway 7 left cleared to land. Traffic is a Cessna on a 1/2 mile final.

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