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Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Sun May 04, 2008 4:08 pm

Hey all,

I was wondering, how many of you all have any interesting experiences with inflight IROPS?? That is, have any of you experienced extended holding, go-arounds, aborted takeoffs, severe turbulence, windshear, etc??

Even though I tend to nonrev a fair amount, I really haven't experienced much of the above. I suppose I could consider myself lucky though, haha. Anyhow, mine are:


Extended holding: Once, AA 763 LAX-DFW. We held over DFW for 1.5 hours (must have given us a TON of gas) before finally diverting to OKC to refuel and try to get into DFW again.

Go-around: Only once, UAX ER4 into IAD. The crew did a PA and told us they had windshear warnings on short-final.

Aborted takeoff: Again only once, a NW A320 DEN-MSP. We were hardly moving, probably 30-40 kts and they aborted the takeoff, then taxied back to the end of the runway. It was the middle of July and they said their brakes were too hot so we had to sit & let them cool down a bit (at least what they said).

Severe turbulence: Once, a UA 777 LAX-DEN over the rocky mountains on approach into DEN. The captain made a PA saying "Flight attendants please be seated immediately". That was a proper ride into DEN!!

Windshear: Never. If we lived through it, I'd like to say I've been in it!!



So how bout the rest of you??
 
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Sun May 04, 2008 4:13 pm

Only thing I've really had was last month on an ATL-LAS flight, a F/A got really sick and the decision was made to divert to ABQ to get her medical attention. Mother Atlanta was able to find another F/A that lived in ABQ to come and help out by finishing our (now) ABQ-LAS flight; was much faster than deadheading in a F/A from SLC on a later flight.
 
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Sun May 04, 2008 4:26 pm

Had a couple of aborted take-offs

1. Air Zimbabwe 707 at HRE - poss. birdstrike just before rotate, screeched to a halt and limped back to the terminal - took a couple of hours of hitting with spanners and we were off again (HRE-FRA)

2. KLM Cityhopper F70 at NCE - just started to roll, then he powered down and taxied clear - some light hadn't gone off (or had come on). 5 minutes, then we tried again.

Had one in-flight engine fire, on a Safair L100 between Ondangwa and Johannesburg, as we came into FAJS. Nothing dramatic really, but lots of fire trucks next to the runway as we landed.

Had a few go-arounds, can't remember them all - the most recent was a go-around at CDG on an AA 763 inbound from ORD, busy day and somebody didn't clear the runway in time, so we shot off into orbit and tried again. Another was a U2 A319 into LTN, very very blustery day, the co-pilot was landing and stuffed it up, so we went a looooong way round and tried again. Pretty sure I had a go-around at LHR, but can't remember why or who with. It wasn't BA, I'm pretty sure.

Had one fuel diversion once, an SAA 743 en-route JNB-LHR, stopped in LIS because we'd had headwinds, and the 743 was iffy for that route (7000 mi+ in those days, round the bulge). Fueled up in LIS and got to LHR about an hour late.

Had one flight go tech at an en-route stop - it was a BWIA L15, flying POS-UVF-LHR - got to UVF and circled for ages before landing, then taxied to a remote stand and stopped. After about 30 minutes, the pilot came on and said they'd had a problem with the auto pilot (I guess one of them ?) and didn't want to go all the way to LHR without it working - they tried to get it fixed, but eventually (after a couple of hours) we took off back to POS - got in at 3am, absolute bedlam, nobody knew what was going on, took about 3 hours for them to find us a hotel and get us there - took of the following afternoon on the same aircraft - direct POS-LHR this time.
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Sun May 04, 2008 4:40 pm

Extended holding: A few years ago on a Bmi flight from Dublin to Heathrow we were only a minutes away from landing when it was announced that we would be put in a hold and that we should expect a delay of 20 minutes. About an hour later we finally landed at Heathrow.

Go-around: Heathrow again, this time on board an Aer Lingus flight. It was a warm summer afternoon and thunderstorms were causing some delays at Heathrow. After a very bumpy approach over London we started our final approach, all I could see was rain flowing across the window and dark clouds. There were rumbles of thunder and the odd flash of lightning but the turbulence wasn't that bad. The ground appeared through the clouds and as we passed over the BA hangers I could tell we were too high for landing and as the wind battered the aircraft left and right a loud whine from the engines sent us back up through the dark clouds. About 10 minutes later we made a safe but rough landing at Heathrow.
 
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Sun May 04, 2008 11:17 pm

Luckily I've never had an extended hold - once you're over the destination I just like to get down and land because it's frustrating. To the best of my memory I've never had a go around, come close three times in poor weather after warnings from the cockpit that it may be necessary, but each time they got it down safely first time.

Once on a WOW Dash 8 we got to the end of the runway at PLH, by which time it was quite clear the brakes were making an awful grinding noise, so taxied back in and had to have the pads/drums changed as one was shot - could have been interesting landing otherwise! Had a close call in an Air China A343 which had an engine out on takeoff at PEK, 340's don't climb well at the best of times, let alone on a humid day in the summer; with just three holes puffing it was quite close. A few years ago a Yak40 dumped itself very hard on the runway in DAM which caused most seats and passengers to be thrown around the cabin, that broke/tore a few of my ribs and was literally a right pain for months afterwards.

So far though, that is thankfully all,


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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Mon May 05, 2008 12:26 am

Last year I was flying from DTW to LAX on NW and a man in First Class had a heart-attack. We quickly landed at LAS and the ambulance was there waiting for us on the tarmac. Luckily for the man, there were a few nurses/medical professionals on board and they saved his life. The rapid descent was something I had never experienced before and was pretty interesting.
 
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Mon May 05, 2008 1:52 am

A couple of weeks ago on NW we had a hold coming into LGA. Sadly that is becoming not so irregular.

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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Mon May 05, 2008 12:29 pm

LOADS of holdings I had in my life already... I don't know how many, but quite a few...

Go arounds: maybe 20 total? 8 in the MD11F so far...

RTOs: none! And I don't need them Big grin

Windshear: once in NBO, scary shit!

Turbulence: never severe, only moderate which happens regularly...

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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Mon May 05, 2008 6:27 pm



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 7):
Go arounds: maybe 20 total? 8 in the MD11F so far...

Haha !  rotfl  - you suck at planes !


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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Tue May 06, 2008 7:55 am

I've experienced one aborted take-off. This was at STL onboard a TW 767-200, heading for CDG. We started our take-off roll, only to have to slam on the brakes after maybe 15 seconds of rolling. Apparently an aircraft had entered the runway quite a bit ahead of us. That was some pretty awesome breaking...

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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Tue May 06, 2008 8:23 am

I had an extended hold over SFO in Jan. We were running around 45min early, we were on final approach, then we were told to ascend from 1000 feet. We ended up touching down 15min late, so it was a delay of around an hour. It pushed the flight time up towards 12h45min
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Tue May 06, 2008 9:03 am

Yep a few for me.

Have had many holds, mainly around LHR and a few times coming into ZRH from DUB.

Go-around: Just the once, on an AF Cityjet BAE146 after leaving a beautiful warm August evening at CDG where the pilot told us to get seated quickly as there was severe fog at DUB and we needed to get there asap, despite this, on approach into DUB the fog had got worse, we were circling for over an hour, and during that time attempted two landings which were both aborted, eventually as fuel was running low the pilot diverted to SNN. Spent the night in the terminal with a/c on (why I don't know, it wasn't warm, but hey it was August.... we were all freezing). Given the number of flights diverted from ORK and DUB an EI woman told me I'd be better getting the train from Limerick to Dublin, which I did. Arrived in Dublin around noon, and saw my flight didn't arrive back in DUB until mid afternoon.

Three aborted take-offs.
First was on an Air Inter Dassault Mercure (don't actually think this was an "aborted take-off' technically, as I can't remember if we had even reached the runway), from LDE to DUB, some nutcase decided to try and open the emergency exit. We had to go back to the terminal where said nut was escorted off the plane by police/medical staff (she kissed the ground as we disekbarked... my father always recalled the classic French roll-of the eyes the pretty French F/A made to him as she saw her doing this just before we exited). We were delayed for a while, then boarded again and flew back home minus the nutcase.
Then in the late 80's on an IB 727 from DUB to AGP on a dark and stormy late October evening, got to the runway, engines started reving and suddenly there was a large "bang" from the back on the aircraft. The cabin went dark for a few minutes as the lights went out. Quite a shock, however, with no info from the cockpit that I can recall, we took off a few minutes later. Flight was uneventful, except we diverted to BCN for a change of a/c before continuing onto AGP.
Another aborted t/o was on an EI A320 from MUC to DUB, we had just started are take-off roll when the brakes were slammed on quite hard. Pilot informed us he had had to run a test on the brakes (??), we just went back to the top of the runway and took off about 10 minutes later.

Also had a problem with a generator (if I remember) on an LX (the original Crossair) Avro 100 from MAD to GVA. Boarded the morning flight, started taxi and cabin lights started flicking on and off. Pilot said there was a slifht problem and we'r return to terminal for a mechanic to check it out. Sat on the ground for about an hour, served OJ, and eventually we were asked to leave the aircraft. Got vouchers for breakfast. Boarded again about an hour later, and just as we took-off the lights started flicking again (me thinking "damn why couldn't this have happened while still on the ground), however, it stopped quickly and we continued on to GVA. Btw, had the sexiest F/A I've ever seen in my life, I think all the males on the flight were drooling over her the whole flight.

My personal scariest experience (from a pax point of view) was in Feb 2000 on an LH A321 from FRA to DUB. Just after take-off, there was an "explosion" sound from the right engine, and then fire from the rear of the engine. I admit it was very scary, as the plane became quite unstable for what seemed an eternity yet was probably only a minute or so. Pilot came on and gave a very technical explanation, which went straight over my head given the shock and panic in the cabin, only remembering he did say we would have to return to FRA immediately for an emergency landing and were to strictly follow the cabin crew's instructions. Havoc broke loose in the cabin as we were instructed on the brace position. I'd say it took about 30 minutes to get back on the ground, and things did calm down as most people got lost in their own thoughts, fears and prayers. Eventually "brace brace" was called, I remember just before seeing the lines of flashing lights of fire brigades and ambulances along the runway. Made a perfectly smooth and totally uneventful landing. Parked in a remote area just beyond the runway, as fire-brigades covered the engines in foam. Then things got worse, LH were awful. We were literally "held hostage" on the plane awaiting another plane. I understand this, but come on, many pax were traumatised and didn't want to get straight back on a plane (me included  blush  ). It got so bad, the police werre called to board. At this stage a German pax who was a doctor had a fit and basically said he would cause major trouble for LH if the traumatised pax weren't allowed to disembark. This worked, and about 100 of us left the plane. Initially the reception by LH ground-staff was AWFUL (cold and basically asking "what our problem was." as if they were trying to cover up the whole thing). This only made matters worse, with some pax ending in tears and other having panic attacks. At this stage their attitude changed and they treated us like toyalty, offering psychologists and medical attention for the pax, free access to lounge, free meals as we waited for the different flights we were put on. I ended up spending the day in FRA with the woman had been beside me on the flight and we were routed through Bournemouth with BA back to DUB that evening.
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Tue May 06, 2008 11:12 am



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8):

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 7):
Go arounds: maybe 20 total? 8 in the MD11F so far...

Haha ! rotfl - you suck at planes !


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 rotfl  The 8 on the MD11F I was only ONCE the pilot flying! All others were done by the captain Big grin
On the 737 I had to do 2 go arounds because I came in too high Big grin All other due to weather or runway blocked thingys...

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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Tue May 06, 2008 11:58 am



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 12):
On the 737 I had to do 2 go arounds because I came in too high 

Wow!!! I'm not sure how it sounds to most passengers but I would've loved to be on such a flight!!! Unfortunately have not experienced any such thing as a passenger yet!

Well, I've done a couple of go arounds myself on a C152 during my early flying days, due to runway-traffic! It was fun!!!
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Tue May 06, 2008 12:49 pm



Quoting Ipilot777 (Reply 13):
Wow!!! I'm not sure how it sounds to most passengers but I would've loved to be on such a flight!!! Unfortunately have not experienced any such thing as a passenger yet!

Well, easy to tell from passenger side: Speedbrake all the time, gear before flaps extended and then 1000' above the ground: nope, we won't make it ==> go around and try again Big grin

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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Tue May 06, 2008 1:18 pm



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 14):
Well, easy to tell from passenger side: Speedbrake all the time, gear before flaps extended and then 1000' above the ground: nope, we won't make it ==> go around and try again 

Hmmm, last minute go around sounds pretty much exciting, so lets settle with that if not a high approach landing! As long as I get back on the ground safely I'd like to experience some rough turbulence and few other safe-adventures, but not much luck yet!
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Tue May 06, 2008 1:21 pm



Quoting Ipilot777 (Reply 15):
Hmmm, last minute go around sounds pretty much exciting, so lets settle with that if not a high approach landing! As long as I get back on the ground safely I'd like to experience some rough turbulence and few other safe-adventures, but not much luck yet!

That's not a last minute go around! My latest go around results in a rejected landing. I commanded GO AROUND at 10' above the ground, then applied G/A thrust by the captain, touchdown and a few seconds we lifted off again! That is fun Big grin

Rough turbulence?! What is it about a.nutters and turbulence?!  duck  I don't like them a lot! I cannot drink or eat properly or read the instruments anymore if it is too bumpy Big grin

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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Tue May 06, 2008 1:30 pm



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 16):
That's not a last minute go around! My latest go around results in a rejected landing. I commanded GO AROUND at 10' above the ground, then applied G/A thrust by the captain, touchdown and a few seconds we lifted off again! That is fun 

Wow!!! Now this is too much of an experience for a normal passenger!

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 16):
What is it about a.nutters and turbulence?!    I don't like them a lot! I cannot drink or eat properly or read the instruments anymore if it is too bumpy 

Well, I don't mean rough turbulence throughout the flight. Just for a few seconds or say about 4-5 min on a long flight! That shouldn't be so bad!
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Tue May 06, 2008 1:33 pm



Quoting Ipilot777 (Reply 17):
Wow!!! Now this is too much of an experience for a normal passenger!

Thank god there are no passengers on my aircraft Big grin

Quoting Ipilot777 (Reply 17):
Well, I don't mean rough turbulence throughout the flight. Just for a few seconds or say about 4-5 min on a long flight! That shouldn't be so bad!

Ok, enjoy, but without me Big grin

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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Tue May 06, 2008 2:30 pm



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 12):
On the 737 I had to do 2 go arounds because I came in too high

Tsk tsk, you just can't get good staff these days  Yeah sure - See the big green thing just outside the window, that's what you're aiming for. We like to call it "the Earth".  biggrin 

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 18):
Thank god there are no passengers on my aircraft

They'd be cleaning the barf off the ceiling for about a week !
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Tue May 06, 2008 2:55 pm



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 19):
See the big green thing just outside the window, that's what you're aiming for. We like to call it "the Earth". biggrin

OH now I know what to do! Man, you could've told me that earlier Big grin

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 19):
They'd be cleaning the barf off the ceiling for about a week !

 rotfl  Or even longer Big grin

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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Wed May 07, 2008 1:40 am



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 20):
OH now I know what to do! Man, you could've told me that earlier

There you see, it just goes to show that those of us with many hours of FS2000 under our belts can teach you real pilots a thing or two. I don't know why everyone on a.net always complains about this ! Clearly our superior flying skills have much to impart to you bus-drivers .





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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Wed May 07, 2008 3:15 am



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1):
Only thing I've really had was last month on an ATL-LAS flight, a F/A got really sick and the decision was made to divert to ABQ to get her medical attention. Mother Atlanta was able to find another F/A that lived in ABQ to come and help out by finishing our (now) ABQ-LAS flight; was much faster than deadheading in a F/A from SLC on a later flight.

Actually, the way this one worked out was that there was a FA on board who was willing to work the flight for the continuation....

I met the plane at the jetway and handled the logistics for that one...always fun in ABQ when the big metal diverts in...

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Thu May 08, 2008 11:49 pm

I had a go around in OSL once. Coming in on a Britannia 757 from AGA in the middle of winter. Low ceilings, only 100-200 meters, we finally break through the clouds, and shoot straight back up. Apparently there were still plow trucks on the runway. The pilot explained he had been cleared to land and once he came through the clouds he saw the equipment and immediately went back up. Came back and tried again, and this time we made it  Smile
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Thu May 15, 2008 3:04 am

This past February I was flying from ORD - HPN on United (SkyWest I think). We left ORD on time, flew a little past Albany, NY. We were then told that HPN was closed due to WX (it was snowing in NY.) Instead of diverting somewhere near-by, we turned back around and flew back to ORD. (a 4 hour plane ride in an CRJ!!)

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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Thu May 15, 2008 5:01 am

Hmmm, I've had a few decently interesting experiences in my nearly 20 years of flying. Most of these 20 years, I've been too young to remember exact details, but I've had some good experiences recently.

1. Diversion:
Flying a LanPeru A320 from IQT to LIM, but LIM was socked in with fog. We diverted to CIX on the coast, which had fog, but not quite as much. I think Chiclayo, Peru is the closest I'll come to landing in Baghdad for a while. Dust and sand everywhere!

2. Medical issues:
Also a LanPeru flight from CUZ to LIM. A little kid sitting a few rows away had a really bad allergic reaction to nuts (Peanut M&M's) and couldn't breathe. We made it to LIM, but the F/A's did a terrible job of telling passengers to wait so that medics could help the kid.

3. Go around:
I was coming home for Thanksgiving on a NW 752 from MSP, and PDX was fogged in. As soon as we started to break through the fog layer, we shot right back up into the clear sky. I was so excited that I finally experienced an aborted landing, especially on an aircraft as powerful as a 757. We barely made it the second time.

4. Bad turbulence:
When I was little, I'd fly into DEN every summer to visit my grandma. Flying into DEN in August with t-storms always provides excitement. More recently, when I was just connecting through DEN, we experienced pretty bad turbulence. It was UA, so I was glued to Channel 9. The captain was requesting altitude changes and a new route because we were headed for bad storms, but there wasn't much ATC could do for everyone. I felt like I was on a curvy road, not in a 737 as we made sharp turns to avoid enormous cloud tops. I was a bit nervous to say the least.

I've got a lot of flights coming up, so hopefully nothing too excited happens. Surprisingly, I haven't had bad turbulence for over a year, even though I've logged over 25,000 miles!
 
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Fri May 16, 2008 8:57 pm

Just experienced a go-around two days ago: I was on LX1076/14MAY from ZRH to FRA, and we were only moments from landing when full thrust (or whatever thrust is used) was applied and we climbed out at a fairly steep angle. A few moments later the pilot announced that another aircraft had crossed our runway as we were preparing to land.....

One other go-around, that was on LH on approach to HAJ, sometime in 1995 if I recall correctly.

And one rejected takeoff, LX Saab 2000 on a flight from HAJ to ZRH.
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Fri May 16, 2008 9:23 pm

On a flight from CGN to MAN with HLX, the cockpit door was left open and swinging. Can't imagine why.
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RE: Your Experiences: Inflight Irregular Ops

Tue May 20, 2008 3:02 pm



Quoting PDXtriple7 (Reply 25):
I felt like I was on a curvy road, not in a 737 as we made sharp turns to avoid enormous cloud tops.

Reminds me of a flight I did from LHR to DUS last July. Huge storm cells had been sitting over London all morning, and as we sat on the BA Airbus (can't remember if it was a 319 or a 320...319 I think) waiting for pushback we could see lightning flashing all around the airfield, with rivers of heavy rain running down the windows. You could have cut the atmosphere on that plane with a knife!! We sat at the gate for an hour while we waited for the storms to clear, but they just wouldn't budge!

Eventually we pushed back and joined an enormous queue for takeoff from 27R. We crept forward slowly for a while, with lightning still illuminating the early afternoon sky. Then we came to a complete and prolonged stop again, and the Captain spoke to us. He basically said that passengers on the left hand side of the plane would be able to see another BA aircraft sat on the runway, whose Captain was blatantly refusing to take off, and until he did take off, we were going nowhere!!

The crowded cabin was silent....and tense. It was obvious that we were all wondering what would be in store for us once we entered the black clouds above us, especially given that another BA pilot had refused to take off into it!

Anyway, the aircraft on the runway eventually took off, and a couple of takeoffs later it was our turn. With a collective holding of breath and gripping of armrests, we shot off down the sodden runway and headed up into the blackness.

We entered the storm expecting the worst, but what followed was like a fast ride along winding country roads! We turned this way and that as the folks up front picked out a totally smooth path through the storm cells. We were all over the sky, but in a controlled manner, with barely a bump being felt in the cabin. We all released our grips on the armrests and breathed out! After a while, the F/As were released from their seats and minutes later we were all tucking into bacon rolls and smiling again!

We were told that the storms would be following us to Germany, but that hopefully we would be able to outrun them.

Wrong!

We started our descent into DUS less than an hour later, but then the Captain spoke again. He apologised for his earlier statement about outrunning the storms and told us to buckle in for a rough ride. Moments later the sky outside was as black as night and we were being thrown around all over the place - not the worst I've ever experienced, but pretty uncomfortable nonetheless. The woman sat next to me covered her face with her hands, and didn't reappear until we'd landed at DUS! Strangely, the airport itself had yet to be touched by the storm, but as we turned off the runway I looked back to where we had just come from and saw a massive black wall of storm cloud heading our way. It must have been quite a sight to see our Airbus pop out the front of that one!

The pilots earned so much respect from me on that flight! The way they got us out of London was admirable. Shame that they couldn't have given us such a smooth ride on the way in to DUS, but I guess you can't have it all!
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