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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:20 pm



Quoting Comorin (Reply 47):
So I've culled all the answers, plugged them into GC Mapper:

Cool but you left HEL-TLL 42 nm out  Wink
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:22 pm

Alaska Airlines
Flight 65 WRG-PSG 34 Miles .24 Minutes gate to gate.
JNU-SIT 96 Miles.
KTN-WRG 83 miles.
All operated by a 737.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:31 pm

China Southern's HKG - CAN on A319 ... 84 nm
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:32 pm

LX operates an Avro RJ100 once a day in each direction BSL-ZRH, 42 nm. I think it's mainly a positioning flight to get their Avros to BSL for overnight maintenance but it's sold as a normal revenue flight.

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 43):
Quoting Multimark (Reply 33):
Air Canada has a flight from YVR-YYJ on a E-190 (used to be an A319). That's 39 miles / 62 km. You can even book J class for $540 one-way

This has to be the shortest in the world. It is normally Dash 8s, but there are a couple jets per day on it. Personally for jets I've flown it in a CRJ, A320 and E190. And 39 miles is 34nm.

In earlier years AC has operated everything up to the DC-8-61 on the 34 nm YVR-YYJ sector. For a year or more in the 1970s or so a DC-8-61 operated YYZ-YVR-YYJ. It overnighted at YYJ and flew the same routing in the other direction the next morning.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:38 pm

How far is MIA-FLL?

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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:46 pm

Well the shortest widebody flight has to be Dublin - Shannon, Ireland. Aer Lingus provides two daily flights, each way between the two airports [Distance: 121nm] EI124/EI125 has the daily routing SNN-DUB-ORD/ORD-DUB-SNN and EI132/EI133 has the routing DUB-SNN-BOS/BOS-SNN-DUB. Depending on the prevailing winds, this flight has been known to last just 20mins.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:09 pm

Colgan Air flies BOS-MHT, which is no more than 60 miles. I wonder what planes they fly on that route.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:11 pm

Luxair flies twice daily LUX-SCN-(MUC) with EM3. That´s about 48mi between LUX and SCN ...
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:16 pm



Quoting Comorin (Reply 47):
Many thanks for your fascinating post and link! That 4-minute flight must be a record of some kind!

Yes, although the original question was scheduled commercial flight. I'm sure there are many one-time airliner jet flights between airports a few miles away, in fact they happen every week for positioning and ferrying reasons.

I still stick to the Fedex OAK-SFO for the shortest scheduled commercial jet flight .. in fact it's even a widebody I believe. I have yet to see a shorter one ... in any of the numerous threads we have on this subject  Wink

Now.... as for scheduled pax flight ...


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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:23 pm

Air Canada used to have an early morning YYJ to YVR with a A320. For this fall I see 2 daily trips with E90's. Distance between the 2 airports is minimal a 12 to 15 minute flight.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:27 pm

Cape Air flies TPA-SRQ. They also fly some short flights in Puerto Rico. How small are we going here?
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:30 pm

American Eagle runs ERJ's from DFW to DAL, a distance of 5-10 miles. Not sure if they're scheduled pax flights or positioning flights.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:44 pm

How about POS-TAB ? around 25 min
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:14 am

From WN's website, RSW-MCO at 133 miles is the shortest route that they fly.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:31 am



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 58):
I still stick to the Fedex OAK-SFO for the shortest scheduled commercial jet flight .. in fact it's even a widebody I believe. I have yet to see a shorter one ... in any of the numerous threads we have on this subject

I agree, but I think that the OP was looking for something that was operated by a passenger airline, not a cargo one. Man of the street can't book a seat on FX unless he puts himself in a box.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:40 am



Quoting Ramzi (Reply 26):
Can anyone give time estimates? How long would it take to operate a 55nm flight, etc...

Depends on which way the wind is blowing, all joking aside. If they're using the 18's in CVG for landing, and you takeoff to the south or sourthwest out of DAY, it's about 15 minutes. Going CVG to DAY though, when you takeoff to the south, have to make the U-turn to go north, then make another U-turn to land, it adds a few exrta minutes.

I've done GSO-CLT in about 20 minutes and had it take as long as 30-35 before, takeoff to touchdown.

Quoting MXA318 (Reply 61):
American Eagle runs ERJ's from DFW to DAL, a distance of 5-10 miles. Not sure if they're scheduled pax flights or positioning flights.

I'm pretty sure those are for positioning purposes.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:55 am

DL used to fly BOS-BDL (79nm) with an L1011.

AA used to have a positioning flight of a DC10 between JFK and LGA. The DC10 operated LGA/BDA/LGA then ferried back to JFK.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:09 am

Hawaiian interisland flights are among the shortest too.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:10 am

Delta also had JFK-PHL 81 nm
and JFK-BDL 92 nm
both with the 767-3 ER
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:40 am

IND-CVG is only 86 nm and it is served by Regional Jets.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:51 am



Quoting Andaman (Reply 50):
Cool but you left HEL-TLL 42 nm out Wink

Sorry, a senior moment...  Wink

Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 64):
Man of the street can't book a seat on FX unless he puts himself in a box.

 rotfl 

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 60):
Cape Air flies TPA-SRQ. They also fly some short flights in Puerto Rico. How small are we going here?

Has to be a Jet.



So here's an updated list (Thanks to Great Circle Mapper):

HEL-TLL 55 nm
YVR-YYJ 34nm ( Hon mention - same city, so not a city-pair!)
ORD-MKE 58nm
BAH-DOH 79nm
BAH-DMM 47nm
BON-CUR 41nm ( cant find flights)
DTW-FNT 48nm
SFO-OAK 10nm
LGA-JFK 9nm
GIB-TNG 38nm (Could be an INTERCONTINENTAL contender, but couldn't find a flight)
ATL-MCN 69nm
CVG-DAY 55nm
CVG-LEX 61nm
IAH-EFD 25 nm (Hon mention - same city, not a city-pair)
DEN-COS 73nm
OKC-DAL 157nm
AMS-BRU 85nm
POS-TAB 45nm
MIA-FLL 18 nm (but is there a jet flight between the two?)
DUB-SNN 105 nm
LUX-SCN 43 nm (Shortest INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT!)
WRG- PSG 27nm (WINNER So FAR! - Congrats SOCALATC!!)  champagne 
TPA-SRQ 35nm (sorry, Cessnas don't count)
HNL-LIH 88nm (Longer than you think!)
MKE-MKG 74nm


So who will knock SOCALATC off his throne ?  Wink
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:04 am



Quoting Comorin (Reply 70):

A good list but I think you can remove OKC-DAL from the list at a 157 nm. That's not even close to the others on the list. ATL-BHM is a smaller number than that in miles, yet alone nm. LAX-SAN is way shorter than that as well at 95 nm and it's not even on the list.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:05 am

Here are the top 12 shortest passenger jet routes in the USA, ranked by ascending mileage: (as of March 2008)

#1: WRG - PSG (31 miles)
#2: FNT - DTW (56 miles)
#3: DAY - CVG (64 miles)
#4: MKE - ORD (67 miles)
#5: SJU - STT (68 miles)
#6: LEX - CVG (70 miles)
#7: DEN - COS (72 miles)
#8: DTW - LAN (74 miles)
#9: MKE - MSN (74 miles)
#10: CLT - GSP (75 miles)
#11: RST - MSP (76 miles)
#12: ATL - MCN (79 miles)

Edited to add missing carriers.

[Edited 2008-07-12 19:36:16]
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:15 am



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 71):
A good list but I think you can remove OKC-DAL from the list at a 157 nm. That's not even close to the others on the list. ATL-BHM is a smaller number than that in miles, yet alone nm. LAX-SAN is way shorter than that as well at 95 nm and it's not even on the list.

Good point. But the Cavalry has arrived in the form of MOBFlyer! However, his list excludes our winner - a valid jet segment on Alaska Airlines - I wonder why?
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:23 am



Quoting Comorin (Reply 47):
So I've culled all the answers, plugged them into GC Mapper:

YVR-YYJ 34nm
ORD-MKE 58nm
BAH-DOH 79nm
BAH-DMM 47nm
BON-CUR 41nm
DTW-FNT 48nm
SFO-OAK 10nm
LGA-JFK 9nm
GIB-TNG 38nm
ATL-MCN 69nm
CVG-DAY 55nm
CVG-LEX 61nm
IAH-EFD 25 nm
DEN-COS 73nm
OKC-DAL 157nm
AMS-BRU 85nm

...and airlines wonder why they are losing so much money...! flying jets and especially RJs on such short routes is sheer lunacy. Definitely a sign of the "old days" of gaining as much market share as possible without thought to costs. Take out all the city pairs that could be driven (or train in some parts of the world) in an hour and how much space would come available in the ATC system and runways to reduce delays etc???
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:27 am



Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 43):

Quoting Multimark (Reply 33):
Air Canada has a flight from YVR-YYJ on a E-190 (used to be an A319). That's 39 miles / 62 km. You can even book J class for $540 one-way

This has to be the shortest in the world. It is normally Dash 8s, but there are a couple jets per day on it. Personally for jets I've flown it in a CRJ, A320 and E190. And 39 miles is 34nm.

The 34nm is as the crow flies. The AC232/AC288 flown by the E190 will be 38nm at 9000ft with an average flight time of 13 mins. this is only 1-2 mins faster than the dash, because of the silly 250 below 10000 rule. just for kicks they should do it at full speed once.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:38 am



Quoting Comorin (Reply 73):
Good point. But the Cavalry has arrived in the form of MOBFlyer! However, his list excludes our winner - a valid jet segment on Alaska Airlines - I wonder why?

Whoops! Good catch. I didn't include Alaska or Midwest (don't know why Alaska slipped my mind. Maybe because they're based in Boeing country!  Smile) Nonetheless, I have updated the list to reflect all carrier's flights.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:18 am



Quoting Transair737 (Reply 59):
Air Canada used to have an early morning YYJ to YVR with a A320. For this fall I see 2 daily trips with E90's. Distance between the 2 airports is minimal a 12 to 15 minute flight.

Sometimes it helps to read all the preceding posts (see 33)  Wink
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:09 am

GUM-ROP 49 NM (GUAM-ROTA)
FLL-BIM 53 NM (BIMINI)
DTW-TOL 43 NM
DAY-CVG 55 NM
JST-AOO 24 NM (JOHNSTOWN-ALTOONA)
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:57 am

You could add Mumbai-Pune to that ...

BOM-PNQ 77 NM
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:11 am



Quoting Comorin (Reply 70):
WRG- PSG 27nm (WINNER So FAR! - Congrats SOCALATC!!)

Whoo Hoo!!
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:55 am

Until very recently LH operated CGN-FRA (85 miles) on CRJ 200, CRJ 700 and RJ85. The flight took about 40-50 minutes. Now you can go by the high speed train ICE, and it takes less ...

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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:09 am

Didn't check all the replies above, but I flew ZNZ-DAR in Tanzania recently, which is a 15 min hop of 45 miles. It's oeprated by Precision Air (which is by the way the crappiest airline ever!)
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:16 am



Quoting Multimark (Reply 45):
Not at all, its fully bookable on aircanada.com

AC 232/288/289 or 293.

Wow, sometimes you wonder how they think when they decide the price??
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:19 pm



Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 78):
FLL-BIM 53 NM (BIMINI)

Who flys a jet on this route?

FLL-FPO on NK only 84nm.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:23 am

KUL - SIN is very short (anyone know the distance?). And SQ fly it with a 777!

A "trick" we used to do when flying from Kuala Lumpur to Sweden was to book the only this first segment in F, then you got nice fast check-in and lounge access for very little money.  Smile
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:19 pm

CHA-ATL on DL when they still ran the MD-88s on that segment. Just enough time to get up to FL140 and get in the queue for landing.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:43 am



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 55):
Well the shortest widebody flight has to be Dublin - Shannon, Ireland.

BA fly BAH-DOH daily at 90nm on a 777.

Historically, or maybe not, KLM used to fly a 747 between two African cities, Brazzaville and somewhere else. Less than 20nm IIRC.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 78):
JST-AOO 24 NM (JOHNSTOWN-ALTOONA)

A jet? I've heard about this before and thought it was a Colgan Air prop.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:20 am



Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 87):
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 55):
Well the shortest widebody flight has to be Dublin - Shannon, Ireland.

BA fly BAH-DOH daily at 90nm on a 777.

Historically, or maybe not, KLM used to fly a 747 between two African cities, Brazzaville and somewhere else. Less than 20nm IIRC.

That was UTA, the French longhaul carrier that merged with AF in the early 1990s. The route was Brazzaville-Kinshasa (BZV-FIH), the capitals of the two Congos across the Congo River each other. They had one or two DC-10s a week for a while that included that sector which is 14nm.

I recall another thread mentioning that Sabena may also have done that at one time..
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:28 am

I do the FNT-DTW a few times a year but I think the record is FLL-PBI. I flew a NW DC-9 in, think 90 or 91. It was a Sunday-only morning trip that went FLL-PBI-DTW.
Whats the milege between these two cities?
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:33 pm

Shortest Australian Jet sector

SYD-CBR 128nm flown by numerous QF 734/73H's and DJ E70's flights average 50-55 minutes


Shortest sector I have flown on

ROK-BNE 279nm on a DJ 73G 55 mins long we even made it up to FL450 albeit very briefly to avoid bad weather.



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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:55 am

ORD-MKE by AE and UA: 58.1 NM
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:56 pm

Delta use to fly a YUL-MIA-FLL-MIA-YUL in a L-1011


FLL-MIA is pretty short
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:07 am



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 30):
DEN-COS is in the 15 minute neighborhood from takeoff to touchdown.

Years ago I took a CO 727 from COS-Stapleton-ONT. I carefully timed the COS-DEN leg. It was exactly 22 minutes from the start of the pushback in COS to parking at the gate in DEN. Time from wheels off the runway to touchdown was only 10 minutes, and ground movement was 12 minutes, longer that the flight itself.

On AS 64 one time, flying from Juneau-Seattle, the leg between Wrangell-Petersburg was extremely short. I don't know the mileage, but we took off, leveled off quickly, did an s-curve to line up, and landed. It was on the 732 combi, and gate to gate was only 12 minutes, I didn't get an exact air time on it. But VERY short.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:28 pm



Quoting AzoresLover (Reply 93):
On AS 64 one time, flying from Juneau-Seattle, the leg between Wrangell-Petersburg was extremely short. I don't know the mileage, but we took off, leveled off quickly, did an s-curve to line up, and landed. It was on the 732 combi, and gate to gate was only 12 minutes, I didn't get an exact air time on it. But VERY short.

AS still operates a few sectors less than 100 nm in that part of Alaska, now with their converted 734 combis.
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Wrangell-Petersburg...27 nm
Juneau-Gustavus........36 nm
Ketchikan-Wrangell....71 nm
Juneau-Sitka..............83 nm
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:37 am

EA used to fly BUF-YYZ (68mi) with L1011, Airbus300 and 757.

UA mainline used to fly BUF-ROC (55mi) with 737 and 727.

Presently, Colgan for USAirways Express flies Saab340's BUF-ROC.
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